Boot Manager quirk


Hairy Scot

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I have a dual boot W10/W11 system with EaseUS and Macrium emergency options included in the BCD.
Everything had been fine until about a week ago when the Boot Manager screen failed to display and the system went straight into W11 (the default entry).
I tried a few things to fix this and eventually found that making W10 the default solved the problem.
Another of "The Wonders of Windows"?
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
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    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
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    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
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    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
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    Intel UHD Graphics 750
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    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
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    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
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    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
the Windows 10 boot manager works very well booting Windows 11.

best of luck, Steve ..
 

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Have discovered a new symptom (if that's the correct word).
If I do a restart from within Windows in response to a "restart now" prompt message then the Boot Manager screen is displayed, however a boot from power on, or a hard reset skips the boot manager.
I can find nothing in the BIOS that might explain this. I have only one boot option which is the Windows Boot Manager.
Yes, I can of course go with W10 as the default, but sometimes I need to just hit power on and then go answer a call of nature.
Perhaps I should just set W10 as default and set "wait for user input".
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 750
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
W11 bootloaders screw up the graphics screen (distorting it or not showing it) on some device's.

Try this as a workaround:-

1) Run msconfig
2) Select Boot tab
3)! Set W11 as default
4) Check "base video" checkbox

With luck, this will now display the graphics boot menu ok.

Only minor issue is screen will be in 4:3 format and will not fit all the screen but is perfectly usable.

If that fails - reverse changes above.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
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    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
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    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
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    Built in UK keybd
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    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
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    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
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    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Thanks cereberus, but I've just about reached my limit with W11's quirks.
I think I'm going to stick with W10 as default and the "Wait for user input option".
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 750
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
Hairy Scot said:
Thanks cereberus, but I've just about reached my limit with W11's quirks.
I think I'm going to stick with W10 as default and the "Wait for user input option".
Click to expand...
It takes less than 1 minute to try what I suggested, and totally reversible.

But hey - your choice.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Have you tried using Macrium to delete the boot menu option and then re-create it?

Have you tried using an elevated Command Prompt and set it's timeout

Code: 
bcdedit /set {bootmgr} timeout 8
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Local shop built (KC Computers Ltd)
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    Intel Core i9 13900F
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X (rev. 1.0/1.1) - (BIOS: F30 Sep 27, 2024)
    Memory
    2 x Kingston Fury 32gb DDR5 5600 Beast
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Eagle (Nvidia) RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Chord Async USB 44.1kHz - 384kHz 2Qute DAC
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    piXL PX27UDH4K 27 Inch Frameless IPS Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K (3840 x 2160) 60fps
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    1 x KINGSTON NVMe M.2 SSDSKC3000D2048G 2TB
    1 x Samsung SSD 870 EVO 250GB
    2 x Crucial CT4000MX500SSD1 4TB
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    1 x Crucial CT250MX500SSD1 250.0 GB
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    Gigabyte 750w
    Case
    Fractal Torrent
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU, 2 x Fractal 180mm PWM (front), 3 x Fractal 140mm PWM (bottom)
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Mechanical Wireless Illuminated Performance Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S Wireless Performance Mouse
    Internet Speed
    900 Mbps/300 Mbps Trooli FTTP
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Eset Nod32
thecaretaker said:
Have you tried using Macrium to delete the boot menu option and then re-create it?

Have you tried using an elevated Command Prompt and set it's timeout

Code: 
bcdedit /set {bootmgr} timeout 8
Click to expand...
Many times
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 750
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
cereberus said:
It takes less than 1 minute to try what I suggested, and totally reversible.

But hey - your choice.
Click to expand...
Thanks for your input. I will try that at some stage, but for the moment I'll take the path of least resistance.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 750
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
Hairy Scot said:
Have discovered a new symptom (if that's the correct word).
If I do a restart from within Windows in response to a "restart now" prompt message then the Boot Manager screen is displayed, however a boot from power on, or a hard reset skips the boot manager.
I can find nothing in the BIOS that might explain this. I have only one boot option which is the Windows Boot Manager.
Yes, I can of course go with W10 as the default, but sometimes I need to just hit power on and then go answer a call of nature.
Perhaps I should just set W10 as default and set "wait for user input".
Click to expand...
It seems that Fast Start is enabled.
Fast start is a mix of cold boot and hibernation, while restart is pure cold boot.
Disable Fast Start to see what happens.

Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to turn on or off fast startup in Windows 11. There are three startup modes in Windows: Cold (traditional) Wake-from-hibernation Fast Starting with Windows 8.x, the default shutdown and restart scenario has been updated and named fast startup. Fast startup...
www.elevenforum.com
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
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    IG - Intel 530
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    Samsung 226BW
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    1680x1050
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    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
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    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
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    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
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    500 Mb/s
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Asus Q550LF
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    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
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    Asus Q550LF
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    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
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    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
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    Realtek
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    1920 x 1080
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    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
Megahertz said:
It seems that Fast Start is enabled.
Fast start is a mix of cold boot and hibernation, while restart is pure cold boot.
Disable Fast Start to see what happens.

Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to turn on or off fast startup in Windows 11. There are three startup modes in Windows: Cold (traditional) Wake-from-hibernation Fast Starting with Windows 8.x, the default shutdown and restart scenario has been updated and named fast startup. Fast startup...
www.elevenforum.com
Click to expand...
Thank you.
I have had Hibernate disabled since installation.
Registry shows "HiberbootEnabled"=dword:00000000
Local Group Policy shows "Require use of fast startup Disabled".
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 Build 26100.3194
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B560 HD3 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 750
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio XSplit Stream Audio Renderer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    DELL U2718Q, DELL U2913WM, SAMSUNG TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 1920x1080, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    INTEL SSDSC2BW240A4 (SSD)
    ST31000528AS
    ST6000DM003-2CY186
    ST2000DM001-9YN164
    ST4000DM005-2DP166
    Seagate Expansion SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
Just a side note, you can spam TAB at startup to get to the menu manually, it's also an easy way to get to MemTest
 

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System One

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    PE
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