For all the people who believe aditional Antivirus software, is not necessary..


Silvio

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This doesn't prove that the only AV on all these devices was Windows Defender. This kind of thing can happen with any AV.
As a cyber security dude, I'll never accept, free antivirus/anti malware solutions, will be as effective, as solutions, with required R&D budget, and priced accordingly.
 

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4,200+ computers?????? That's probably about 0.0000000001%

What a pointless article !!!! :poop::poop::poop::poop:
 

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But wait! There's more . . . 'tis the season . . .

It seems like there's a thick soup of hacking and malware going on right now. Due to the ocean of info in a 24 hour news cycle, I think many don't even know about the cyber or cell phone threats. Much of the news are latching on to other big news events like the fires in California, and stories like these are largely unnoticed. Do you agree @Silvio ?

Cyberattackers Hide Infostealers in YouTube Comments, Google Search Results

www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/cyberattackers-infostealers-youtube-comments-google-search

Hackers Using Fake YouTube Links to Steal Login Credentials
hackread.com/hackers-fake-youtube-links-steal-login-credentials/

Zero-Day Vulnerability in PDF Files Leaking NTLM Data in Adobe & Foxit Reader

cybersecuritynews.com/zero-day-vulnerability-in-pdf-files-leaking-ntlm-data-in-adobe-foxit-reader/
 

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4,200+ computers?????? That's probably about 0.0000000001%

What a pointless article !!!! :poop::poop::poop::poop:
Imagine if those 4200 computers were in sensitive parts of our government with access to sensitive or classified data?

It's not always quantity, sometimes it's the quality or sensitivity of the breach or compromise.
 

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4,200+ computers?????? That's probably about 0.0000000001%

What a pointless article !!!! :poop::poop::poop::poop:
It means it is a targeted attack which also doesn't prove anything. If there's a will, there's a way. You will get attacked.
 

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It means it is a targeted attack which also doesn't prove anything. If there's a will, there's a way. You will get attacked.
It proves, reliance on just Windows security, is not wise.
 

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It proves, reliance on just Windows security, is not wise.
4200 targeted computer attack is not enough to prove that point. The are 1.5 Billion Windows users. It is an isolated case.
3rd party AV could possibly be the reason for that attack. 3rd party AVs can be a hacker's portal.
 
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It proves, reliance on just Windows security, is not wise.
It doesn't prove that. You don't know if these computers only had Windows Defender. Out of 4200 computers, it's more than likely that some also had a third-party AV. I get a lot of co-workers asking me what would be a good AV to install because their existing third-party AV is about to or has expired. A lot of casual users still install third-party AVs.
 

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As a cyber security dude, I'll never accept, free antivirus/anti malware solutions, will be as effective, as solutions, with required R&D budget, and priced accordingly.

It proves, reliance on just Windows security, is not wise.

Agreed. You should use something like CrowdStrike Falcon. (sorry @andrew129260, if it's too soon to mention that
:sneaky:)
 

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4,200+ computers?????? That's probably about 0.0000000001%

What a pointless article !!!! :poop::poop::poop::poop:
4200 targeted computer attack is not enough to prove that point.
And targeted attacks are often undetectable by any AV, let alone enterprise solutions.
 

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As a cyber security dude, I'll never accept, free antivirus/anti malware solutions, will be as effective, as solutions, with required R&D budget, and priced accordingly.

Windows Defender is a highly backed program by microsoft and has a very large R&D budget, so your argument doesn't hold water. Microsoft has a vested interest in keeping your OS safe, not just for reputation, but for financial reasons as well. No one will be more motivated to protect their product than the people making that product.

I have seen countless paid products share the same or similar detections results to windows defender. Of course, just like with any other company, things will change from time to time and one product might be better than another for a time being in detection rates, but that's just the nature of security. There is no best program or one do it all solution that will magically fix everything.

We have seen time and time again the rise of vulnerabilities on security products themselves, due to them using ill advised or bad methods to have complete control over the system to function how they "need to".

Other security products and their research is well needed and a great thing to have in the industry as competition makes things better for everyone. There are multiple R&D and security companies working on things all the time. The amount of threats are endless. Nothing will ever be a silver bullet.

I am not saying windows defender is perfect, however I am saying that it is not a basic or pathetic solution as you seem to imply. It is true that using windows defender is something that by default people are using the most, so it's going to be attacked more and targeted to be bypassed.

I use malwarebytes as a second opinion, but I don't think it's strictly necessary.
It doesn't prove that. You don't know if these computers only had Windows Defender. Out of 4200 computers, it's more than likely that some also had a third-party AV. I get a lot of co-workers asking me what would be a good AV to install because their existing third-party AV is about to or has expired. A lot of casual users still install third-party AVs.

Exactly. We don't know what AV they were using. Sure if someone used sophos they claim they would have blocked it. We don't know if they were running as admin, what group policies if any were applied, etc. The article is extremely loose on details.

Also this was a usb malware attack, this is a very common sore point for any security solution. According to sophos from this article:


PlugX is fairly common backdoor malware (a RAT, remote access Trojan) of Chinese origin. If you read the article you get a surprise ;)

So if it is common I would hope that any and all security solution would have been able to identify the new threat, but that doesn't always happen. I think its more of the luck of the draw when it comes to security, vs any security solution being "bad".


Agreed. You should use something like CrowdStrike Falcon. (sorry @andrew129260, if it's too soon to mention that
:sneaky:)
Dear god that was a nightmare. Thanks for bringing that back lol. :ROFLMAO:


Luckily changes are being made on that front to help prevent these issues going forward.

 
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Time to Unwatch this Chicken Little ess-aitch-one-tee ....
 

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system security should be in layers.
updated operating systems, protection software and malware software
hardware firewall backed up by software firewalls
browser malware protection backed up by system malware protection
isolated systems not networked systems, if networking is not required
good backups of the system data and files
and the hardest of them all, end user common sense
all of which keep a check on each

just my thoughts on system security
best of luck, Steve ..
 

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Bitdefender have a longish blog post about PlugX malware and state that it was wiped from 4258 computers and systems in the USA.

How many computers and systems in total are there in the good ol' USA? 🤔

 

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An "informed", "non emotional" article, on Security researchers "analysis", of a plug X variant.



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So I guess "Plug X", is "not so targeted", and may well be languishing on many machines, without sophisticated Virus/malware protection.

 

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    Graphics card(s)
    nVidia Quadro M4000
These days i use Windows Defender, backed up by Malwarebytes Premium, Router firewall, and practice safe surfing, and for daily use--on My Standard MS Account, and Only use System Admin account for Admin Tasks

And backups done with Macrium Reflect Home regularly

And lastly use Roboform Password Manager with a Strong Master Password--so i feel i'm more secure than i was years ago

Sure there is probably things i could improve security wise, but overall i feel safe enough, Scans always show clean, and All my Devices perform great in my daily usage
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 26100.2314
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PreBuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7700X
    Motherboard
    MSI B650 VC WIfi
    Memory
    32GB DDR 5 RGB 5600Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon 7800XT
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus VG245H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Kingston 1TB Boot NVMe
    Samsung 860 Evo 1TB-Game SSD


    External
    Western Digital Elements 500GB
    Western Digital My Passport 2TB Blue
    Western Digital My Passport 2TB Red
    Toshiba 2TB in External Enclosure
    Seagate 8TB in External Enclosure
    Seagate 1TB Portable USB 3 External Drive
    Western Digital My Book 8TB (Primary Backup drive)
    Western Digital Black 4TB In External Enclosure
    PSU
    750 Watt High Power
    Case
    Lian Li Lan Cool 216 ARGB Airflow
    Cooling
    2 160MM Front, 1 140MM Rear Exhaust
    Keyboard
    Logitech G513
    Mouse
    Logitech G502 X
    Internet Speed
    Gigabit 1000Mb/20 Upload
    Browser
    MS Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes Premium
    Other Info
    UEFI, Secure Boot, TPM 2.0, Acronis True Image 2025
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Omen 15_ce019dx
    CPU
    Intel I7 7700H
    Motherboard
    OEM HP Omen Laptop Motherboard
    Memory
    8GB DDR 4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 630 and Nvidia Geforce 1050TI
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6 Laptop Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    128GB NvMe Boot Drive
    1TB Hitachi Sata Hard drive
    PSU
    Laptop PSU
    Case
    Laptop Case
    Cooling
    OEM Cooling
    Mouse
    Logitech G502 Hero
    Keyboard
    OEM Laptop Keyboard
    Internet Speed
    Gigabit 1000 Download/20 Upload
    Browser
    MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender & Malwarebytes Premium

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