How long will MS release Win 11 updates? When is EOL of last update?

x509 · Saturday at 6:13 PM

Having just upgraded from Win 10 I am in no mood to upgrade to Win 12, which seems less attractive since AI will be in the Win 12 DNA. Anyone know? Speculate?
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pseymour · Saturday at 6:24 PM

21H2 was released October 2021, and they’ve been saying 10 years for major version numbers.

x509 said:
Having just upgraded from Win 10 I am in no mood to upgrade to Win 12, which seems less attractive since AI will be in the Win 12 DNA.

Well you’re in luck. No such thing exists. Might as well be afraid of Santa or smart politicians.

x509 · Saturday at 6:58 PM

pseymour said:
21H2 was released October 2021, and they’ve been saying 10 years for major version numbers.

Great. I guess I can start to work in the early 2030s. If my eyesight hasn't failed by then.

pseymour said:
Well you’re in luck. No such thing exists.

It's rumored. And you have to assume that MS is always working on some kind of Windows upgrade.

pseymour said:
Might as well be afraid of Santa

Naw.

pseymour said:
or smart politicians.

Only "stable genius" types.

antspants · Saturday at 9:00 PM

x509 said:
am in no mood to upgrade to Win 12, which seems less attractive since AI will be in the Win 12 DNA

An AI responce:

Microsoft has been incorporating artificial intelligence (AI) into Windows since the early 2000s, with notable examples like the virtual assistant "Clippy" and later, the more advanced "Cortana" which was introduced in Windows 10 in 2014; signifying a significant step towards integrating AI directly into the operating system

abactuon · Saturday at 9:22 PM

Most processors/videcards in use do not have artificial intelligence units built in.
Therefore, it is unlikely that the use of artificial intelligence will be mandatory in Windows 12.

Marcus Vinicus · Saturday at 10:00 PM

End date of support for Windows 11

Windows 11 Home and Pro - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 11 Home and Pro follows the Modern Lifecycle Policy.

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Windows 11 Enterprise and Education - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 11 Enterprise and Education follows the Modern Lifecycle Policy.

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Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 follows the Fixed Lifecycle Policy.

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Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC 2024 - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC 2024 follows the Fixed Lifecycle Policy.

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Only the IoT Enterprise version has 10 years. Consumer versions have 2 years, enterprise and education 3 years, Enterprise LTSC 5 years.

bobkn · Saturday at 10:56 PM

Marcus Vinicus said:
End date of support for Windows 11

(snip)]

Only the IoT Enterprise version has 10 years. Consumer versions have 2 years, enterprise and education 3 years, Enterprise LTSC 5 years.

Consumer versions may have a lifetime of 2 years. But how long will some version of Windows 11 be the mainstream Microsoft OS?

(It's possible that the sunset of 11 hasn't been planned yet.)

Marcus Vinicus · Saturday at 10:58 PM

bobkn said:
Consumer versions may have a lifetime of 2 years. But how long will some version of Windows 11 be the mainstream Microsoft OS?

(It's possible that the sunset of 11 hasn't been planned yet.)

We'll know if/when MS start officially talking about their next OS.

x509 · Saturday at 11:03 PM

bobkn said:
Consumer versions may have a lifetime of 2 years. But how long will some version of Windows 11 be the mainstream Microsoft OS?

(It's possible that the sunset of 11 hasn't been planned yet.)

@bobkn articulated the question better than I have.

My big issue with Win 11 migration was all the changes in the UI, gratuitous in my not so humble opinion. So for me, a key part of the migration was trying to get the UI to ~~remember~~ resemble Windows 10 as much as possible. I have no desire to revert the UI back to Win 7, btw. When the Win 11 replacement is released, I can only hope that MS "extends" the Win 11 UI, not toss it into the blender and turn the switch to high.

Marcus Vinicus · Saturday at 11:10 PM

bobkn said:
(It's possible that the sunset of 11 hasn't been planned yet.)

That is merely speculation and nothing more.

AK6DN · Sunday at 12:05 AM

x509 said:
@bobkn articulated the question better than I have.

My big issue with Win 11 migration was all the changes in the UI, gratuitous in my not so humble opinion. So for me, a key part of the migration was trying to get the UI to remember Windows 10 as much as possible. I have no desire to revert the UI back to Win 7, btw. When the Win 11 replacement is released, I can only hope that MS "extends" the Win 11 UI, not toss it into the blender and turn the switch to high.

Indeed I totally agree. I'm staying with Win 10 as long as I can. I have Win 11 in a VM if I absolutely need it for something.

Win 12 UI will probably be just a blank window and you type requests to Copilot to do everything. No mouse, no ICONs, no windows, nada.

Or maybe just a screen with a microphone that you use to chat with CoPilot. No need for a keyboard or mouse or any of those fancy things.

Just like an iPhone. Whoops.

Win711 · Sunday at 12:52 AM

x509 said:
I can only hope that MS "extends" the Win 11 UI, not toss it into the blender and turn the switch to high.

They need something to do to justify their jobs. Rearranging the furniture is the only thing left.

pseymour · Sunday at 11:40 AM

Marcus Vinicus said:
Only the IoT Enterprise version has 10 years. Consumer versions have 2 years, enterprise and education 3 years, Enterprise LTSC 5 years.

You're mixing up support for specific builds of Windows versus the major OS version. Windows 10 was supported for a little over 10 years. Windows 8.1 was a little over 9. Windows 8 had a shortened cycle, because they wanted everyone on 8.1, which took very little effort. Windows 7 got a little over 10. Vista over 10. Windows XP over a dozen.

Marcus Vinicus · Sunday at 12:17 PM

pseymour said:
You're mixing up support for specific builds of Windows versus the major OS version. Windows 10 was supported for a little over 10 years. Windows 8.1 was a little over 9. Windows 8 had a shortened cycle, because they wanted everyone on 8.1, which took very little effort. Windows 7 got a little over 10. Vista over 10. Windows XP over a dozen.

Then go here for an overview of support dates for MS software.

Search Product and Services Lifecycle Information - Microsoft Lifecycle

Note Export lifecycle information from the Lifecycle Export page. Microsoft Lifecycle provides consistent and predictable guidelines for support throughout the life of a product, helping customers manage their IT investments and environments while strategically planning for the future. Search...

learn.microsoft.com

pseymour · Sunday at 12:48 PM

Marcus Vinicus said:
Then go here for an overview of support dates for MS software.

That's where I looked up the numbers I gave.

Marcus Vinicus · Sunday at 1:11 PM

pseymour said:
21H2 was released October 2021, and they’ve been saying 10 years for major version numbers.

Do you have a reliable source/weblink to support that statement?

x509 · Sunday at 11:45 PM

bobkn said:
(It's possible that the sunset of 11 hasn't been planned yet.)

Having worked in large software companies, I am 147.5591409% sure that MS has a target date for EOL of Win 11. A date which will probably slip at least 1 year.

AK6DN said:
Indeed I totally agree. I'm staying with Win 10 as long as I can.

I have to switch to Win 11 by October because at least one of my major software vendors won't release upgrades on an unsupported OS.

Morph000 · 2025-02-03T00:02:19-0500

Windows 12 is planned for 2027/2028...

bobkn · 2025-02-03T00:19:01-0500

Morph000 said:
Windows 12 is planned for 2027/2028...

Can you provide a reference?

x509 · 2025-02-03T00:46:03-0500

Morph000 said:
Windows 12 is planned for 2027/2028...

Good. We are all safe until then.

I'm sure that once Win 12 is announced, Microsoft will start putting the arm on us to migrate. But I like to use an OS major release for at least 5 years.

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