How would I log into a web-based Wi-Fi?


CartmansPiehole

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A customer came to me wanting to log into our WiFi. He had a Windows 11 Laptop and only a Microsoft Account on it, no Guest account. He wanted to log into our WiFi, which first involves connecting to the WiFi via the WiFi adapter, then authenticating with a specific number through the web. Considering he was unable to login to his computer to access a web browser, he was not successful connecting to our WiFi.

In a situation like this, how would a customer connect to a Wifi, with no guest account and non local account?
 
Windows Build/Version
Windows 11, build version unknown.

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
    Sound Card
    N/A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 27" Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 Pro NVME 2TB (System Drive)
    Samsung QVO 8TB SSD (Data) - Installed on Feb 2024
    Seagate BarraCuda Pro 10TB HDD (Backup, haven't used much since installing the 8TB SSD.
I don't understand.

I have a laptop, with Windows 11 set up on it with an MS account.

I have no trouble logging into Windows with the PIN, whether it is connected to a WiFi router or not. I then establish the WiFi connection. I don't need a network connection (wired or wireless) to launch Windows.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 26100.3025
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
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    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
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    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
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    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    2000/300 Mbps (down/up)
  • Operating System
    windows 11 26100.3025
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
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    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
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    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
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    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
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    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
Accounts are cached to the local machine. Meaning the customer shouldnt need wifi to log in. If the customer is unable to login, either the account has not been setup or, the customer does not remember the password.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M15 Ryzen Edition
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 3070
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
Accounts are cached to the local machine. Meaning the customer shouldnt need wifi to log in. If the customer is unable to login, either the account has not been setup or, the customer does not remember the password.
I personally looked at the computer. There were only two accounts. Both were Microsoft Accounts, thus needed Internet Access to login, and therefore could not access a web browser to authenticate. Any other ideas?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
    Sound Card
    N/A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 27" Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 Pro NVME 2TB (System Drive)
    Samsung QVO 8TB SSD (Data) - Installed on Feb 2024
    Seagate BarraCuda Pro 10TB HDD (Backup, haven't used much since installing the 8TB SSD.
I personally looked at the computer. There were only two accounts. Both were Microsoft Accounts, thus needed Internet Access to login, and therefore could not access a web browser to authenticate. Any other ideas?
Try connecting via ethernet.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home & Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 7 7730U
    Motherboard
    M1605YA
    Memory
    15.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 1596MHz (22-22-22-52)
    Graphics Card(s)
    512MB ATI AMD Radeon Graphics (ASUStek Computer Inc)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1200@60Hz) - P1 PLUS (1920x1080@59Hz)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1200
    Hard Drives
    953GB Western Digital WD
    PSU
    45 Watts
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth.
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER NITRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 3.2 GHz
    Motherboard
    CZ Scala_CAS (FP6)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 SDRAM 3200 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6 GB GDDR6 SDRAM
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio. NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) 144 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 (Full HD)
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB NVMe M.2
    PSU
    180 Watt, 19.5 V
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
I take it a different way, the Guest account would be set up on the Router used by a company such as a hospital, car repair shop, motel/hotel, restaurant, etc. Then a password wouldn't be needed. That Router could also have more than one login to it with each having a password but only one login with password be made available to a customer.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe M.2
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 4TB Seagate HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
Try connecting via ethernet.
We no longer have Ethernet connections. Even so when we did, the authentication system was the same, web based.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
    Sound Card
    N/A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 27" Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 Pro NVME 2TB (System Drive)
    Samsung QVO 8TB SSD (Data) - Installed on Feb 2024
    Seagate BarraCuda Pro 10TB HDD (Backup, haven't used much since installing the 8TB SSD.
I take it a different way, the Guest account would be set up on the Router used by a company such as a hospital, car repair shop, motel/hotel, restaurant, etc. Then a password wouldn't be needed. That Router could also have more than one login to it with each having a password but only one login with password be made available to a customer.
I'm not by any means the network guy, I'm just a tech. The point of this post was to see if there were any sort of workarounds based on what the customer had on their computer. Again:
  • Windows 11
  • Only two Microsoft accounts (which require an Internet connection)
  • No Guest Accounts
  • No Local Accounts
I tried something like SHIFT+F10, which I think would normally bring up a Command Prompt during a setup process, but this did not work. The thought was to attempt to open a we browser through the command prompt and go from there. No dice.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
    Sound Card
    N/A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 27" Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 Pro NVME 2TB (System Drive)
    Samsung QVO 8TB SSD (Data) - Installed on Feb 2024
    Seagate BarraCuda Pro 10TB HDD (Backup, haven't used much since installing the 8TB SSD.
Both were Microsoft Accounts, thus needed Internet Access to login
No.
MSAccount-linked user accounts are set up when there is an internet connection but do not need internet access to log into Windows routinely.

Your customers should normally log into their own computers successfully before they then attempt to log into your WiFi network.

If an attempt to log in to a Windows computer's MSAccount-linked user account fails with a message about needing internet access then there is a fault condition.
[It is always worth having a local, password-protected Admin user account in reserve.]

The point of this post was to see if there were any sort of workarounds based on what the customer had on their computer.
A workaround is for all users to have their password & security question answers written down somewhere secure yet accessible to them.

I personally looked at the computer.
And I've got a funny feeling that there is another misunderstanding involved here as well.
What exactly did you see?


Denis
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
I personally looked at the computer. There were only two accounts. Both were Microsoft Accounts, thus needed Internet Access to login, and therefore could not access a web browser to authenticate. Any other ideas?
This is not true. The pc has a record of MS password, so you can always log in even if no internet.

I just tested it by switching off router.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
And I've got a funny feeling that there is another misunderstanding involved here as well.
What exactly did you see?
The basic login screen for Windows. There were three buttons on the lower right-hand side: Power, Accessibility and WiFi. The Username selection along the lower left-hand corner. I selected our Wifi, the user tried to login to their computer and then there was an error message. I forgot what the error message stated, but I didn't think whatever it said was significant to solving the issue, anyways. The moment we connect to the Wifi through the WiFi connections, we're suppose to see a web page pop up which directs to the page where users enter their user number. Once the user authenticates, they are re-directed to our website. Sometimes, the popup doesn't appear. The workaround is to open up a web browser, attempt to access a website (for instance, Yahoo or Google), which will then actually re-direct to the page where you enter in your username. I think it's a "Captive Portal", if that rings a bell to anyone. I'm not even exactly sure what that really is.

This general login process works great for users that are logged into their user accounts already. Connecting to the WiFi and authenticating then is practically seamless. Coincidentally, I've connected Windows 11 users to our WiFi before, BUT they were already logged into their Windows sessions through local accounts, guest accounts, or some other means.

Those of you with Windows 11 computers and Microsoft accounts, can you actually log into your computers without any sort of Internet connection through that specific account? Does Microsoft allow one to login to their Windows 11 computers, using a Microsoft account via an offline mode? Maybe if so, that'll fix the issue.

I'm looking for a permanent solution to this, if there is such a thing, from a tech support staff's perspective, not the Network Administrator's perspective. Keep in mind that our WiFi users come in all ages, and varying degrees of computer knowledge. I can't depend on users to know how to set up guest accounts, local accounts, or even find a way (if possible at all) to link a local and Microsoft Account. for situations such as these. Many of them probably had a friend or person at a store set up their computers and barely know how to login to their devices for the purpose of checking E-mails.

So again, is there any sort of workaround to get to a web browser prior to actually logging into a Windows 11 session? If so, that may do it. I would assume hotels and other businesses may have a similar problem, as a couple of hotels I've stayed at have me typing in information into a website after connecting to a wifi, just to get authenticated. If it were as easy as entering a WiFi password like you would do in a home network, that'd be a different story.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
    Sound Card
    N/A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 27" Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080p
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 960 Pro NVME 2TB (System Drive)
    Samsung QVO 8TB SSD (Data) - Installed on Feb 2024
    Seagate BarraCuda Pro 10TB HDD (Backup, haven't used much since installing the 8TB SSD.
the user tried to login to their computer and then there was an error message. I forgot what the error message stated
I can only guess but it sounds like their computer was refusing to log them in.
So they were nowhere near being able to log in to your WiFi
They had a fault. You cannot help them with logging into your network until they have fixed their computer login.

Those of you with Windows 11 computers and Microsoft accounts, can you actually log into your computers without any sort of Internet connection through that specific account?
Does Microsoft allow one to login to their Windows 11 computers, using a Microsoft account via an offline mode?
Yes. All the time.

they were already logged into their Windows sessions through ... guest accounts
how to set up guest accounts
Guest accounts are generally disabled these days but the mechanism to use them still exists.
Guest accounts are generally left disabled because they are regarded as an easy route for hackers to get into computers.

I'm looking for a permanent solution to this, if there is such a thing, from a tech support staff's perspective
You should regard it as a technical problem on the client computers and not as something associated with logging into your WiFi network.
If you have not been trained in the various methods of helping with such faults but you are expected to work on them then I suggest you request such training.
The particular method to apply on any occasion will depend on exactly what the user's login problem is.
You might need to consider, for example,
Enable or Disable Built-in Administrator Account- ElevenForumTutorials
The Built-in Admin exists for one reason and one reason only [my post #11] - ElevenForum
Fix UAC prompt has greyed out or missing Yes button - TenForumsTutorials - This applies to Windows 11 as well.



Denis
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
To me, it sounds like they are running a third party security program that needs internet access. I never had a problem starting any of my computers without internet.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

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