I have issues - ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1

@Sacnnerman

I saw your other topic. Is this the screen you're "missing"?


I'm not an Intel type person and even less an IRST person, but if this is a "BIOS splash screen" (the first screen you see during boot), then turning OFF Fast Boot may solve that problem.

This is MY "BIOS splash screen". With Fast Boot enabled in the BIOS my motherboard skips this screen during the boot process...



As for the warning in Device Manager... you may want to run the "Intel Driver and Support Assistant", found here, and see what it has to say.



Last but not least, the Intel Core i7 6900K is not supported by Windows 11.
I don't know what effect if any that may have.
And your motherboard doesn't appear to be using TPM.



If any of this is ridiculous and not helpful... just disregard.
I'm NOT an Intel type person.


P.S. I've always loved the look of the ThermalTake Level 10 GT case. ^^
P.P.S. I also have an ASUS WS motherboard, but yours is like TWO of mine.





If anyone needs, here is the OP's motherboard manual - PDF...

Well, after my utter failure at helping with this issue... maybe, (if you haven't already found it), this will help with the "eyes" problem. I too suffer in that regard. 20/375 +6 diopter...

Very useful tool in Firefox...




It will go up to 500%... and just one click on the xxx% itself, to go back to 100%

Yeah, I know about it but I'm lazy. A good sized text saves me the trouble. I know it's a stubborn old goat thing and I know a few stubborn old goats who just won't change. The worst sort are those who type in all caps. I don't have patience for that.

Hi @Scannerman,

I do not advise you to trying to install Windows 11 in a roundabout way when the prerequisites are not meet (please refer to this thread : [INFORMATION] Windows 11 : Get Ready). I advise you to keep Windows 10 for your current setup.

Also, Intel Turbo Boost Technology is natively supported since Windows 10 and requires no additional drivers (so if you installed any one uninstall your Intel Turbo Boost Technology Driver device : Righ click on your Intel(R) Turbo Boost Technology Driver device > Uninstall (with checking delete drivers) > Restart your PC).

MoKiChU said:

Hi @Scannerman,

I do not advise you to trying to install Windows 11 in a roundabout way when the prerequisites are not met (please refer to this thread : [INFORMATION] Windows 11 : Get Ready). I advise you to keep Windows 10 for your current setup.

Also, Intel Turbo Boost Technology is natively supported by Windows 11 and requires no additional drivers (so if you installed any one uninstall your Intel Turbo Boost Technology Driver device (Righ click on your Intel(R) Turbo Boost Technology Driver device > Uninstall (with checking delete drivers) > Restart your PC.

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Sure thing, MoKiChU. I actually had that same idea when I was replying to another post. I am aware that Microsoft does not advise installing Win 11 on TPM1 platforms, but still provides step-by-step instructions for those who choose to do it. Myself, I've never had Win 10 on this Work Station and I don't plan on it. By choosing Win 11 I felt I settled for the lesser of two evils (considering 8.1 is EOL) and I'm hoping that Microsoft will come round fully to my way of thinking (and that of others) and allow Win 11 to run on PCs of slightly older vintage.

Forcing obsolescence on a PC that isn't even ten years old is ridiculous and hard on our carbon footprint. IF Microsoft and Intel really cared about our environment like they say they do they would take this factor into consideration. I think we know the real reason behind this push and I don't like it. There are people with PCs not even 5 years old who don't qualify to use Win 11 because although they have TPM1 they don't have #2. IMO this is a big pile of #2 that the end user shouldn't have to swallow. Besides, they're already talking about EOL for Win 10. I'm guessing they can't wait.

I'm well acquainted with Windows 10 and I use it on a casual build that I don't do any serious work with. Windows 10 is not my favourite OS but it makes for a good gaming platform for those who are willing to do some hard core surgery. (Just remember to completely disable updates after you're done butchering.) If I can't run Win 11 on this work station safely and efficiently I'll just stick with Linux and be done with the matter.

That said, I recently installed Win 11 on an AMD build that met all the prerequisites and it completely destroyed my system and refused to roll back afterwards. I called Microsoft to help me fix the issue and they were about as useful as a gas tank on a push mower. I wound up having to reinstall Windows 10 on my TPM2 system board and retrieve my data from my ruined drive via Windows Manager. To be completely honest, I had more success installing Win 11 on a TPM1 platform.

Your advice is duly noted. I advise all users to attempt to install Win 11 on TPM1 system boards and if they have issues afterwards to call Microsoft and complain about it. End users shouldn't have to put up with this abuse and corporations like Intel and Microsoft should not be promoting e-waste like this.

I understand your point of view but I didn't post to discuss the impact of the Windows 11 prerequisites on older PCs, if you installed Windows 11 while the prerequisites are not meet, and this with the knowledge that it is not recommended, it is at your own risk and neither Microsoft nor the motherboards manufacturers and other OEMs will help you.

I think most people who don't meet the Windows 11 prerequisites are looking for stability and will stick with Windows 10 (Windows 10 22H2 currently) as recommended.

For the more adventurous people that install Windows 11 while the prerequisites are not meet, they will all take a refusal of support from Microsoft. You didn't specify it, but before Microsoft "provides step-by-step instructions" as you said, you need to acknowledge and understand the risks and accept a disclaimer :

MoKiChU said:

I understand your point of view but I didn't post to discuss the impact of the Windows 11 prerequisites on older PCs, if you installed Windows 11 while the prerequisites are not met, and this with the knowledge that it is not recommended, it is at your own risk and neither Microsoft nor the motherboards manufacturers and other OEMs will help you.

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I didn't post to discuss the impact of the Windows 11 lack of prerequisites on older PCs. I posted to see if anyone knew any tricks to get around some of the pointless issues generated by Windows 11 regardless of said prerequisites. As I have already stated these sorts of things happen whether one qualifies for a legit installation of Windows 11 or otherwise. My TPM1.2 platform installation went exponentially smoother than my TPM2 platform installation which resulted in a complete and utter disaster.

I have TPM1.2 so I'm in a "grey area". I'm well aware of the risk I have taken and that's why I'm here asking for help instead of on the phone with someone for hours, wasting my time and energy with people who have proven to be as useful as udders on a bull time-after-time. People in this forum have proven helpful on a consistent basis and I daresay often more helpful than the official Microsoft "help".

I'm not a novice. I'm an enthusiast. That's the reason I'm looking to the moguls and the gurus in this forum because I've learned a great deal from some of these people here already. If anyone might know a way to solve an issue with Windows it's likely someone in this forum. I'm not an IT. I'm a PC builder and I've been at it for decades. The competent people are here and that's why I'm asking for help here, instead of some trumped up web site geared to the promotion of planned obsolescence and wagging their finger at me because I dared to install an Operating System on a PC that wasn't three years old.

Do you not find it odd that Microsoft also provides step-by-step instructions listing how to install Windows 11 on a TPM1 platform?

Speaking of OEM do you happen to know the OEM.info # for the Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 driver?

Evidently Intel doesn't even want us using it on Win 10 anymore. :::sigh::: I'm always the last to find out

Scannerman said:

instead of on the phone with someone for hours, wasting my time and energy with people who have proven to be as useful as udders on a bull time-after-time.

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And yet it is that you advised for other people in your case in your previous post :


That's why I mentioned the Microsft disclaimer so people who don't meet the Windows 11 prerequisites are aware of what you adviced them to do.

Scannerman said:

Speaking of OEM do you happen to know the OEM.info # for the Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 driver?

Evidently Intel doesn't even want us using it on Win 10 anymore. :::sigh::: I'm always the last to find out

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Intel Turbo Boost Technology is natively supported since Windows 10 and requires no additional drivers (as is the case for example with Intel USB controllers which are natively supported since Windows 10 and requires no additional drivers).

I edited my previous post to avoid this ambiguity who could suggest that it's since Windows 11 : I have issues - ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1


In order to close my intervention in your thread, my first goal was to help you and not to make propaganda for the technical-commercial policy of Microsoft and the prerequisites on its products, on the contrary (you only have to take a look in my index in my signature to notice that I offer firmware/drivers for motherboards that have been EoL for years, so I contribute to extended support for EoL products), but if you know your troubles are related to the fact that your current stuff don't meet the Windows 11 prerequisites, and you don't want to install Windows 10 (which is the last recommended OS for your current stuff), people won't be able to help you.

Yes indeed. My guess is that MoKiChU is not Microsoft.

Yes, I would advise people to install Win 11 on a TPM 1.2 platform and complain to Microsoft if it gives them trouble. I don't suggest by any means that Microsoft will help them. (They sure don't help me very much.) Microsoft can't even help people with legitimate installations of Win 11 on TPM 2 platforms so why would they ever be of any use to end users who are more adventurous? The proof is in the pudding and the writing is on the wall. I've had decades of experience with this. I get better help here than there.

MoKiChU you don't have to help me. It's okay. You can move on and help someone else. I'm fine with that. Just spare me the lecture, please. Perhaps someone a little more understanding might help me. I did not come here to get a lecture. If I wanted that I would have gone to an official Microsnot website. I rather doubt my troubles are related to the fact that my current hardware doesn't meet all the Windows 11 prerequisites. I'm seeing other people with the same troubles and their systems meet the prerequisites. They still have the same issues.

IMO if your first goal was to help me you would have done well to spare me the lecture. If you don't have any solutions for me that's fine. No, I won't install Windows 10 on my work station. I will never install Windows 10 on my work station. I would have spared you the propaganda if you had spared me the lecture. I had already mentioned that I was aware of the prerequisites before you posted so I'm not all that convinced that you were ever that dedicated to helping me. I think you just wanted to lecture me. Consider your job done.

There really is an Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 driver. It exists. I'm having difficulty removing it. I want to use CMD to remove it. I've been reading up on it. Some have suggested using the registry editor. I was hoping someone knew the oem.info # as Intel also uses these. If MoKiChU is Microsoft then please accept my apology. I don't want to waste anybody's time and I didn't post here to ask Microsoft for help.

Have a great day.

@Ghot

This explains a great deal. ASUS used to be my favourite system board supplier. The work station I wanted help with is from ASUS. The PC my wife uses runs a Sabertooth main board. My youngest daughter uses an ASUS gaming build that I put together for her and she is very pleased with it. The whole family uses ASUS but for two X58 platforms that refuse to die and keep on rolling with the punches. I gave my ASUS GFX card to my 11 year old. I probably won't be buying anymore of those from ASUS either. The last three system boards I purchased were from GIGABYTE instead of ASUS. Needless to say I'm not an ASUS fan boi anymore. My reason? Much the same as my reason for my recent reply to MoKiChU: Helping people is one thing. Browbeating and resorting to condescension is an entirely different matter and it isn't helping.

When someone is seeking help the last thing they need is a lecture. That is like throwing salt on their open wounds. MoKiChU might be an ASUS driver guru (something I have yet to see) but that does not give them authorization to browbeat people who are earnestly seeking assistance. The manner in which I was treated reminded me of ASUS customer dis-service and it is precisely for this reason I have ceased and desisted from doing retail business with ASUS. Success is not a license to bully one's customer base. ASUS has changed. Their support base isn't nearly what it used to be. Their policies leave much to be desired. I never thought I'd say this. I used to be such a big fan of ASUS hardware, but times are changing and it's time to be a patron of a company more dedicated to support and customer service.

I gave up a great deal putting Win 11 on this work station of mine. It cost me my Intel IRST UI in my pre-boot. It cost me my properly functioning turbo boost technology. I have yellow triangles in my system devices I can't remove now. It messed up my parameters with my arrays as a result of over 20 TB of data being written over not because I installed Win 11 on my PC, but because Intel decided to make Optane/IRST for Win 11 obsolete and took out an IaNVMe.sys file in the process (which wasn't even on Win 11) which, in turn, messed up my ability to run a proper restoration and forced me to opt for a different OS outside of Win 10. And now I'm really thinking it might have been wiser to have installed Linux instead and leave it at that.

Installing Win 11 on this X99 platform was not some flippant choice. I have Windows software that I need to use on my work station. Circumstances had me at a disadvantage. Windows 10 proved to be a very negative experience for me and Windows 8.1 resulted in the greatest catastrophic system failure of all time for me with over half a dozen Windows 8.1 operating systems crashing in my home within 48 hours of Windows 8.1 EOL. This is not a good time to lecture someone who has already carefully read the step-by-step process of installing Windows 11 on a TPM 1.2 platform compliments of Microsoft because there is little else available. A lecture will solve precious little. A lecture is not a fix. A lecture is not a solution.

I came to this forum seeking help because I have received some of my best help from the good people here, who also frequent the Windows 8 and 10 forums as well. You all know who you are and I thank all of you for your knowledge, your assistance, and your expertise. I am truly grateful. You are all living proof that you can teach an old dog new tricks. The last thing I need right now is a lecture.

Thanks

@Scannerman

I hope you're not confusing my FYI with a lecture. ^^


I too have noticed the change is ASUS over the years.


I was just pointing out that Mokichu "knows" ASUS drivers.

Scannerman said:

Not at all. I got the lecture from our friend, MoKiChU, for opting to install Win 11 on this ancient ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 system board. Windows 10 on this board won't work for me and Windows 8.1 is EOL. There are programs I use that won't work on Linux and the thing that lies at the crux of all of this is TPM2. Yellow triangles in device manager really, really annoy me. It's like I have some sort of obsessive compulsive thing about them. There's one I simply cannot get rid of and that is what I asked for help with.

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I don't "know" Mokichu... I just know he knows drivers. He is relatively new to these forums, last month or so.
Maybe start a "conversation" (PM) with him, and explain how you feel?

As for that ugly little triangle... I usually find that the latest chipset driver takes care of those.
When I first built my current system, i had a similar warning in Device Manager... the chipset driver fixed it.

If I recall... it was this little beastie (AMD platform), that I had issues with.
I had just installed the drivers from the motherboard DVD and then ran Windows Updates, and still had that warning.
I ended up contacting AMD and they said try this latest chipset driver.




This is what my chipset driver installer looks like. All I can remember is the driver I had issues with started with the letter P.
Lemme see if I can find the thread....

Ghot said:

I don't "know" Mokichu... I just know he knows drivers. He is relatively new to these forums, last month or so.
Maybe start a "conversation" (PM) with him, and explain how you feel?

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That is very big of you to make that suggestion. I've been very stressed as a result of dealing with this three fold Optane/IRST/Win 8.1 EOL and although I knew EOL was coming for 8.1 I really didn't think it would be such a big deal. My sentiments concerning TPM2 are akin to those regarding cruel and unusual punishment. Loyal Windows users should not be subject to these abuses simply because some consortium desires to make some bux off the backs of end users when TPM is already proven to be old and faulty architecture that consistently fails.

I don't doubt that MoKiChU is an expert with drivers. Windows 10 is simply not a viable option for me. If MoKiChU cannot offer a solution for me outside of Win 10 that's not their problem. I don't expect miracles. I just thought I'd come to this place as a last resort because I get good help here. Perhaps there is a way to fix this without installing Windows 10. Perhaps not. I'm thinking one day there probably will be a fix for it but as a result of this EOL stuff I have a lot on my plate as it is.

Scannerman said:

Perhaps there is a way to fix this without installing Windows 10

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Here's a thought.
Install Windows 10... get it all set up, then do an In-Place Upgrade to Windows 11.

For different reasons... that's what I did. My Win 10 was running clean and tight, so I figured... Hey, why not just do an In-Place Upgrade to Windows 11. It worked, flawlessly. All I had to do after the In-Place, was a few personalizations.

I'm wondering if it might not help with your driver issues. ^^
They may be easier to solve on Windows 10, which doesn't have Win 11's hardware requirements.
I don't know how the In-Place Upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 will deal with the hardware issues.

Maybe make a full OS backup of your current Win 11 install, in case the In-Place Upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 doesn't work.
It worked for me, but all my hardware is compatible with Win 11.


IMO, the In-Place Upgrade is the greatest thing since sliced bread...







You DO have an older chipset... it MAY be a heck of a lot easier to solve the driver issues on Windows 10...


All I actually did to get to Windows 11 was buy a 2nd SSD. Then I used Macrium Reflect to make an image of my Win 10 "disk".
Then, I switched the cables to the new SSD and restored my Win 10 disk image to the new SSD.
Then... on the new SSD, I did the In-Place Upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11.

That way... the original Win 10 SSD was left intact. Now I have both, and can switch whenever I want.

Ghot said:

Here's a thought.
Install Windows 10... get it all set up, then do an In-Place Upgrade to Windows 11.

For different reasons... that's what I did. My Win 10 was running clean and tight, so I figured... Hey, why not just do an In-Place Upgrade to Windows 11. It worked, flawlessly. All I had to do after the In-Place, was a few personalizations.

I'm wondering if it might not help with your issues. ^^

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Thank you for the suggestion. Windows 10 made such a mess of my PC that I actually got on the phone with Microsoft to save it. They were of very little help. Essentially they concluded with advising me to reinstall the entire OS. That has pretty much been the procedure every time I turn to them for help. I don't need to ask Microsoft for help if this is all they suggest every time there is an issue with my OS.

This experience, coupled with the agonizing knowledge that I will have sooo much surgery to do to Win 10 once it is installed, removing the key logger, the spyware, the bloatware, the nagware etc. makes me cringe. What assurances do I have that it will be gone once I upgrade to Win 11? The trusted platform module isn't about whether you can trust Microsoft. The TPM is about whether Microsoft can trust you to let them abuse you. Win 10 can stay on my gaming rig but it has no business being on my work station. And the thought of installing it there even to to upgrade to Win 11 is not feasible because the unit runs on a TPM1.2 platform. Windows will reject it. A clean install is the only way and even then you have to make some tweaks.

Ghot, I'm guessing you have TPM2. I have it also on my HERO X570. I wish I could say that my attempted upgrade that Microsoft approved me for went off without a hitch, but it did not. Thanks to TPM2 my HERO is back on Win 10 and I have to say I really hate doing all that surgery. Oh my, there's another ASUS product I own and likely the last piece of ASUS retail hardware I'll ever buy for myself. It isn't healthy to keep buying from companies that treat you like dirt, but it can be habit forming. Sort of like the abused spouse who keeps returning to their abusive partner. At some point you gotta cut it loose. Then again, some folks are right into masochism hard core. I'm too old for that sort of thing.

The reason I have Win 11 on this work station right now, as I type, is because it doesn't have half the garbage Win 10 has. Surgery should be easier but for this one nasty Intel device driver. Should I discover Win 11 is pulling the same stunts with my PC that Win 10 did in the past I will remove it also. There will be no Windows 10 on this work station. My highly modified, highly tweaked, highly altered, Win 10 can stay on the HERO gaming rig because I know enough not to do business on that thing. Perhaps by the time Win 10 sees EOL Windoze will have their TPM issues worked out but I'm not holding my breath.

My issue is simple: It's complicated.

Thanks for the idea though. I've done this with other PCs and sometimes it actually works.

Scannerman said:

Thanks for the idea though. I've done this with other PCs and sometimes it actually works.

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Good luck. ^^