I Still Prefer Windows 10

Scannerman · Aug 16, 2023

Rats. I was really hoping pparks1 could help me with this.

Again. This is the card:

LSI MegaRAID 9272-8i 512MB PCI-E 3.0 8-Port 6Gbps SATA/SAS Raid Controller Card - Newegg.com

Buy LSI MegaRAID 9272-8i 512MB PCI-E 3.0 8-Port 6Gbps SATA/SAS Raid Controller Card with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

The only difference is that the card I purchased has already been flashed to IT mode.

It is the exact, identical model of card. I didn't bother to flash it myself because I already have another card that I flashed back to IR mode and it is a considerable amount of stressful work to do right. Much easier to purchase it pre-flashed and I don't have to go dig for my Dell under the stairs to flash the card. Was told that it would pass through to Windows Disc Manager. If it does I'll be a very happy camper.

My main concern is whether I can run both an LSI IR card and an IT card on the same system board without generating conflicts. Someone who works with servers is likely to know, but I am new to this sort of thing. I would apologise for hijacking this thread but if I remember correctly, this is a Win 11 forum and this card is going in a PC with Win 11. I'm very pleased to see that Win 11 does recognize my LSI IR cards. Any input on LSI cards in IT mode on Win 11 would be greatly appreciated.

antspants · Aug 16, 2023

Ghot said:
I just looked through my old motherboard boxes... found my original XP disc.

I also have a Win 98 SE disc... somewhere.

I have DOS and 3.1 on floppy in storage. I’m a horder

Bree · Aug 16, 2023

Ghot said:
I just looked through my old motherboard boxes... found my original XP disc.

I also have a Win 98 SE disc... somewhere.

When I worked for a small IT support company we had an MSDN subscription. I still have the CDs for everything from Windows 2000 back to Windows 3.1.

antspants · Aug 16, 2023

I have stuff in storage, as I was saying. But does someone have any insight for me as to why I might have these in my top desk draw?

Seems pointless...

pparks1 · Aug 16, 2023

Scannerman said:
My main concern is whether I can run both an LSI IR card and an IT card on the same system board without generating conflicts. Someone who works with servers is likely to know, but I am new to this sort of thing. I would apologise for hijacking this thread but if I remember correctly, this is a Win 11 forum and this card is going in a PC with Win 11. I'm very pleased to see that Win 11 does recognize my LSI IR cards. Any input on LSI cards in IT mode on Win 11 would be greatly appreciated.

I am not aware of issues running 2 LSI cards at the same time in different modes. it's all just a matter of what is building and handling the raid. obviously the IR card is, and you define your arrays via the configuration utility in the post when the machine boots, while the IT card is more or less just an HBA allowing access to a JBOD setup where a software based RAID setup will be implemented outside of the card.

FirasKing Air · Aug 16, 2023

Windows 11 is my favorite because it's excellent for my games and it's user-friendly.

OAT · Aug 16, 2023

antspants said:
I have DOS and 3.1 on floppy in storage. I’m a hoarder

Gosh, so am I. Still have all IBM DOS, System Commander and IBM OS/2 on diskettes.
But we disgress.

pparks1 · Aug 16, 2023

Scannerman said:
If you read the entire post you might discover what I do with it. Admittedly, I've only run 77% of it at once outside of a bench test, but I could see how it would be possible to use more.

I went back and looked and didn't see anything specific. Just wasn't sure if you used the machine for something like music production. Friend of mine plays keyboards in a band, and has a Mac with tons of RAM and storage for all of his keyboard sounds. Or if you were video editing, etc.

Scannerman said:
I remember back in 2007 people thought it was insane to have 4GB of RAM. A good short answer would be that I "future proofed" my PC. Another good use for a generous amount of RAM is VMs but VMs aren't the only RAM hungry programs. Anyway, I'll leave it at that for now. I've never regretted getting this much RAM.

I run 64GB of RAM and haven't had a regret. My reason is for virtual machines. Being a systems engineer for a career, I do run small labs on my home desktop and sometimes like to run 4-6 concurrent VM's to simulate a scenario. I prefer this to having a rack of old servers making tons of noise where I run something like ESX and have all of my VM's there. With modern PCIe Gen 4 NVMe's and 12 and 16 core AMD Ryzen CPU's, I can get a lot done on my humble desktop computer. Aside from the VM's though, 16-32GB would have really met the needs of everything else I throw at the PC. it's mostly for gaming and everyday tasks.

ZERO269 · Aug 16, 2023

Ghot said:
Then instead of uninstalling and leaving dust bunnies... I just do a restore.

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My short answer: Use VM's and snapshots. Much faster, and deleting unused snapshots clears up storage.
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I use a dedicated test VM for testing random software. It's a Linked-Clone with VMware Workstation 17 Pro; worth every penny. (free trial)
I run an ESXi host on a spare laptop, but those VMs are for server related - long term use.

There is a free version of ESXi. However, one needs to login to VMware to download it. Looks like they are calling it VMware vSphere Host now...

I'm confident you know this already, but I'll share it for those that don't use any hypervisors in their environment:

I create a SOURCE VM using a clean install for each flavor of OS that I use for familiarization and/or testing:

Windows 10/11/2019/2022 (Pro, Pro for Workstations, Enterprise, Datacenter Core & GUI editions)
Linux Ubuntu/Fedora/Kali

They are usually updated each month to include OS updates and VMware Tools. I perform a final cleanup and shut them down (OFF). In other words, they basically hibernate until I need to feed them again.

When I need to use one of them, I just create a Linked-Clone. Using a script it literally takes a few seconds and they are much smaller than a Full Clone when powered off. I can power it up and use it instantly. Snapshot are created and removed as needed.

However, there are a few Linked-Clones that I keep readily available:

One setup for testing silent installs/uninstalls for application deployment needs.
One setup and dedicated to OSDBuilder for updating and customizing various Windows Images for deployment.
One for testing system configurations and settings using manual or scripted methods... or shady software...
One setup for WDS/MDT testing before rolling out changes to the main one running on my ESXi host.
and others...

Josey Wales · Aug 16, 2023

I still have a DVD with Win 2000 on it!

Ghot · Aug 16, 2023

ZERO269 said:
Use VM's and snapshots. Much faster

There's two kinds of people in the world. Those that use VMs and... everyone else.

I don't do VMs.

Ghot · Aug 16, 2023

Josey Wales said:
I still have a DVD with Win 2000 on it!

Nice.

Dru2 · Aug 16, 2023

Scannerman said:
I had Win ME too. Got more BSODs with Mistake Edition than any OS by MS I've ever used. It certainly was a learning experience for me. In fact, ME was the first OS license I ever paid for. Before that I used 95 hand me downs and my Boss's Win 98.

Lucky for me your experience was not my experience. Yes, it wasn't the greatest OS in the world, but my system handled it. And back then I was a heavy tinkerer, so it ran good for me.

And I've used every Microsoft non-server OS begging with Windows 95 to now Windows 11. That also includes Windows 2k, which I think was one of the best OS's outside of Windows 7, though many may opine XP.

Scannerman · Aug 16, 2023

pparks1 said:
I am not aware of issues running 2 LSI cards at the same time in different modes. it's all just a matter of what is building and handling the raid. obviously the IR card is, and you define your arrays via the configuration utility in the post when the machine boots, while the IT card is more or less just an HBA allowing access to a JBOD setup where a software based RAID setup will be implemented outside of the card.

Apparently what I am attempting to do here is very niche. I know for a fact that I can run multiple LSI IR cards because I've done it. I've just never heard of anyone using an LSI IR and an IT card both on the same system board. I don't even want a JBOD setup where you splice any drives of any sizes together. I simply want more SATA storage via breakout cable that Windows isn't going to accidentally over write on me. It would also be very useful for me to be able to see these drives in Windows Disc Manager and Device Manager, but I have also been told that Linux will see the drives. Since I'm already using 5 different arrays on this unit I'm not interested in any extra RAID arrays whether they be soft or other.

Thank you for responding. You're the first one here who bothered. I could only get one person in all of LEVEL1 TECHS to respond to this question too. I'm supposing what I intend to attempt here is quite rare.

FirasKing Air · Aug 16, 2023

Scannerman said:
Rats. I was really hoping pparks1 could help me with this.

Again. This is the card:

LSI MegaRAID 9272-8i 512MB PCI-E 3.0 8-Port 6Gbps SATA/SAS Raid Controller Card - Newegg.com

Buy LSI MegaRAID 9272-8i 512MB PCI-E 3.0 8-Port 6Gbps SATA/SAS Raid Controller Card with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

The only difference is that the card I purchased has already been flashed to IT mode.

It is the exact, identical model of card. I didn't bother to flash it myself because I already have another card that I flashed back to IR mode and it is a considerable amount of stressful work to do right. Much easier to purchase it pre-flashed and I don't have to go dig for my Dell under the stairs to flash the card. Was told that it would pass through to Windows Disc Manager. If it does I'll be a very happy camper.

My main concern is whether I can run both an LSI IR card and an IT card on the same system board without generating conflicts. Someone who works with servers is likely to know, but I am new to this sort of thing. I would apologise for hijacking this thread but if I remember correctly, this is a Win 11 forum and this card is going in a PC with Win 11. I'm very pleased to see that Win 11 does recognize my LSI IR cards. Any input on LSI cards in IT mode on Win 11 would be greatly appreciated.

Can you tell me the difference between a normal raid and raid 0? I have 2 NMV.2 HDDs in raid 0.
VS.
A raid on a RAID card?

Josey Wales · Aug 16, 2023

Dru2 said:
Lucky for me your experience was not my experience. Yes, it wasn't the greatest OS in the world, but my system handled it. And back then I was a heavy tinkerer, so it ran good for me.

And I've used every Microsoft non-server OS begging with Windows 95 to now Windows 11. That also includes Windows 2k, which I think was one of the best OS's outside of Windows 7, though many may opine XP.

Win ME was the worse garbage to come out of Redmond!

Dru2 · Aug 16, 2023

Scannerman said:
I wouldn't have to simply buy a module. I would have to buy a replacement board because my board uses TPM1.2 and that's just not good enough.

What board do you have???

BTW, are you running DDR3 or DDR4 RAM

Scannerman said:
My PC isn't a simple gaming rig. It's a work station. I repair computers with it. I network with it. I make videos with it. I write books with it. I also use it for social networking (like this forum for example), emails, and standard use. It even functions as a family server. So now do the math.

Yeah, you're not the only one with a PC that can do all that.

My PC is my work rig, gaming rig, photo rig, audiophile music rig, and much more... and why it's also networked. As far as a server, that's what my NAS is for.

Anyway, I see you're lumping in the cost of a TPM module with replacing your board and other hardware, so, your costs are more guesstimates than factual.

Flashorn · Aug 16, 2023

Firas said:
Can you tell me the difference between a normal raid and raid 0? I have 2 NMV.2 HDDs in raid 0.
VS.
A raid on a RAID card?

Raid 0 utilizes both disk's speed thus, making read and write at twice the speed of one drive.
Raid 1 will "mirror" the disk that is written too thus, having a backup as you write to the first disk.

Here is a more complex explanation but, you should still be able to understand it.

RAID 0 vs RAID 1 - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

What's the difference between RAID 0 and RAID 1? RAID (redundant array of independent disks) is a storage technology that combines multiple disk drive components into a single logical unit so it behaves as one drive when connected to any other hardware. RAID 1 offers redundancy through...

www.diffen.com

If you have Raid 0 on your machine, run CrystalDiskMark (no install) and see the speed you get
vs what only one of your disks could get without Raid 0.

CrystalDiskMark

About CrystalDiskMark CrystalDiskMark is a simple disk benchmark software. Download Standard Edition Aoi Edition Shizuku Edition System Requirements OS Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10/11Windows Server 2003/2008/2012/2016/2019/2022 Architecture x86/x64/ARM64 Key Features Important Notice -> FAQ Unit M...

crystalmark.info

FirasKing Air · Aug 16, 2023

Flashorn said:
If you have Raid 0 on your machine, run CrystalDiskMark (no install) and see the speed you get
vs what only one of your disks could get without Raid 0.

yes I Know
I was curious about the advantages of a raid card.
Thank you for the Links

Scannerman · Aug 16, 2023

Dru2 said:
What board do you have???

BTW, are you running DDR3 or DDR4 RAM

Yeah, you're not the only one with a PC that can do all that.

My PC is my work rig, gaming rig, photo rig, audiophile music rig, and much more... and why it's also networked. As far as a server, that's what my NAS is for.

Anyway, I see you're lumping in the cost of a TPM module with replacing your board and other hardware, so, your costs are more guesstimates than factual.

Technically, I shouldn't even have to use a module. People think that for their PC to be compliant with Win 11 all they have to do is plug in a TPM module and Presto-chango! You're good to go. But no. It doesn't work that way. I wish it did.

The build is barely 6 years old. Five years to be more precise. The CPU was released in Q2 2016.
It uses only 128 GB of Corsair Dominator B-Die DDR4 system RAM. Very stable stuff.
Facts are constantly changing. No lumping here. If I could merely fix my issue with a 20 dollar TPM module I would have done it already.

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