Just curious why a cpu work that way


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If I game can run perfectly fine(rock solid 60fps)at the cpu base speed(turbo disabled)
Why does the cpu speed jumps all the way to max when turbo is enabled(increasing the temp by almost 20 degrees sometimes and fan noise for no reason)

14700HX

Turbo disabled
P-Cores - 2GHz
E-Cores - 1.5GHz

Turbo enabled
P-Cores 5.2-5.5Ghz
E-Cores 3.9GHz

The cpu usage is not high in both cases

Also for some weird reason,if I enable any kind of fps limit(ingame or from nvidia or RTSS),the cpu speed will be much higher than when a game speed is not limited(running at over 100...200,even 300fps)

The gpu usage is not high even with fps limit off

It's not just one specific game
 

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Yes they are explaining what it does and how exactly should it be working...in the mean time,it works in exactly the opposite way
I can barely hear my laptop fans,the temp is low and the fps is solid so why it is increasing the cpu speed more than twice to do the same work that it is perfectly capable of doing without increasing the speed
 

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hyperthreading?
 

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Try it

powercfg /SETACVALUEINDEX SCHEME_CURRENT SUB_PROCESSOR PROCFREQMAX1 4200

Where "4200" maximum frequency (substitute your own value).

Should limit the maximum frequency on P cores.
 

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If I game can run perfectly fine(rock solid 60fps)at the cpu base speed(turbo disabled)
Why does the cpu speed jumps all the way to max when turbo is enabled(increasing the temp by almost 20 degrees sometimes and fan noise for no reason)
1. How do you know there is 'no reason' for the increase in CPU temperature and the fan noise?
2. What is the actual temperature the CPU reaches under load? These CPUs are supposed to go up to 100 degrees according to Intel's specifications.


Also is this laptop the same as yours?
 

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I remembered that there is such a thing

Processor performance increase policy for Processor Power Efficiency Class 1
Default :
"3 - 00000003 - IdealAggressive - Select the ideal processor performance state optimized for responsiveness"

To try

"0 - 00000000 - Ideal - Select the ideal processor performance state."

but I haven't checked it out myself.
 

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The behavior that you described seems to indicate that the game that you are referring to is not CPU bound on your Intel Core i7-14700HX even with Turbo Boost disabled. Otherwise you'd expect the game to suffer at least some noticeable performance from turning Intel Turbo Boost off. One possible explanation of why the game is not CPU bound on your specific CPU could be that it is an older game, but not all recent games are modern in the particular sense that they are more demanding of the CPU than most older games are.

That being said, for those specific games that are nowhere close to being CPU bound on a modern gaming laptop that features a reasonably (or more than reasonably) powerful HX-series CPU from Intel such as the one that you have, turning Intel Turbo Boost off can help to lower the temps (and the resulting fan noise) by some noticeable margin indeed, not seldom even drastically so, and can do so WITHOUT the game in question losing much of its performance (if any).

Further, for games that don't belong in this specific category, don't even think about turning Intel Turbo Boost off. For other games that neither are this nor are that, experimenting with other settings (other than turning Intel Turbo Boost off) instead can help. You can use ThrottleStop for this purpose, but also be aware that using it wrong can damage hardware permanently. For THOSE types of games, I would experiment with things like setting a limit on how high the clock is allowed to be boosted so as to prevent the clock speed from jumping through the roof more often than your average dog has to take a leak and/or things like lowering the PL1/PL2 settings.

Also, one part of the explanation could be the power plan you use and the settings in it that also determine how aggresively Windows causes Turbo Boost to engage each time when Windows detects or expects a certain level of CPU load, and, choosing the balanced plan instead of the performance plan while continuing to monitor results could shed more light on what might actually be going on.

Finally, I don't know if you undervolt your CPU, but I do know that I undervolt mine. It makes another big difference. If you don't know it already, MSI typically has a hidden BIOS menu where you should be able to do it.
 

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@hdmi undervolting is locked on the cpu and what is this hidden bios menu

I have changed the registry to make the "Maximum Processor Frequency" visible but that option seems to affect only the E-Cores and whatever I set,it makes the speed to be half of what I set

For games,Genshin,Wutering Waves,ZZZ,HSR,they all run fine with turbo off

@Marcus Vinicus yes that's the laptop but there are some things mentioned there that are wrong(at least on my model)
 

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@hdmi undervolting is locked on the cpu and what is this hidden bios menu
The hidden BIOS menu is where you can unlock undervolting, but be advised that you shouldn't change anything else in there, as you'll risk bricking the whole laptop otherwise. The secret to access the hidden menu is
Right Shift + Right Ctrl + Left Alt + F2 or, if it doesn't have a Right Ctrl key, Fn + Copilot key instead of Right Ctrl.
 

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So, to undervolt the CPU, you can change the voltage offset to a value below zero, but IMO you should NOT do this in the hidden BIOS menu. Again, this is to avoid the risk of bricking the whole laptop. Instead, use ThrottleStop to undervolt. Re: ThrottleStop keep value after reboot
 

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Here's some additional info that might help to better explain what you are experiencing.

1. FPS Limiters and CPU Behavior
When you limit the FPS, the game engine might still be running at a higher clock speed to ensure that it can quickly respond to any sudden changes or inputs. This is because the game engine is designed to maintain a smooth and responsive experience, even if the frame rate is capped.

2. Dynamic Boost Technology
Intel Turbo Boost (or similar technologies) dynamically adjusts the CPU clock speed based on the workload and thermal conditions. Even with a low CPU load, the system might still boost the clock speed to ensure that the game engine can handle any potential spikes in demand or background tasks.

Intel Turbo Boost is designed to increase the clock speed of the CPU to improve performance, but several factors influence how much and how often the clock speed is boosted, including:
  • Workload Characteristics: Turbo Boost responds not only to high CPU load but also to the type of workload. Even if the CPU load is low, certain types of workloads might prompt Turbo Boost to kick in for short bursts to ensure smooth performance.
  • Thermal Conditions: The temperature of the CPU plays a crucial role. If the CPU is running cool and has thermal headroom, Turbo Boost can be more aggressive in raising the clock speeds.
  • Power Consumption: The power consumption and power delivery capabilities of the laptop also influence how Turbo Boost behaves. If the system can handle higher power consumption, Turbo Boost can be more active.
So, while a low CPU load might generally lead to less aggressive Turbo Boost activity, other factors can still cause the CPU to boost its clock speeds. It's a dynamic system designed to balance performance, power consumption, and thermal conditions.

3. Game Engine Optimization
Some game engines are optimized to utilize available CPU resources efficiently. They might keep the CPU clock speed high to ensure that the game runs smoothly and without any latency, even if the frame rate is capped. Here’s how:
  • Idle Looping: Game engines might include idle looping or polling methods where the engine continually checks for new tasks or inputs, thus keeping the CPU active. This can result in maintaining higher clock speeds.
  • Performance Consistency: To ensure consistent performance and reduce latency, game engines might keep the CPU clock speed elevated. This is particularly important in competitive or real-time strategy games where even minor latency can be detrimental.
  • Resource Allocation: Even with low load, game engines might allocate CPU resources to be ready for sudden spikes in demand, such as unexpected in-game events or user inputs. This preparedness can lead to higher clock speeds.
  • Thermal Headroom: If the CPU and cooling system are efficient, the game engine might utilize this thermal headroom to maintain higher performance levels, even without substantial load. This allows the CPU to run at higher speeds even under light loads.
  • Power Management Policies: The game engine might interact with the system’s power management policies, causing the CPU to stay at higher clock speeds to ensure responsiveness.
In essence, the game engine's design and its interaction with the CPU and system settings can result in higher clock speeds without significant load increases. It's a way to ensure optimal performance and responsiveness, even when the immediate demand is low.

4. Power Management Policies
Windows and the game might interact with power management policies that keep the CPU at higher clock speeds to ensure responsiveness. This can happen even when the CPU load is low.

5. Background Processes
Even with FPS limiting, background processes and services might still be running, causing the CPU to maintain higher clock speeds to handle these tasks efficiently.

6. CPU Governor
The CPU governor settings in your laptop's BIOS or operating system might be set to a performance mode, causing the CPU to maintain higher clock speeds regardless of load.

7. BIOS Settings
Some BIOS settings can influence CPU behavior. It's worth checking if there are any settings related to power management or CPU performance that might be contributing to this behavior.

Impact of Turbo Boost on Your System​

With Turbo Boost enabled, your CPU can reach significantly higher clock speeds (up to 5.5 GHz for P-cores and 3.9 GHz for E-cores), which can enhance performance and responsiveness. However, if the FPS is capped at 60, the extra performance might not translate to higher frame rates but can still result in smoother gameplay and quicker response times.
 
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    Intel Iris Xe
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I went to the hidden bios options(there are so many...I did not find from where to unlock the ability to undervolt but I did find the one for overclock(I don't overclock))
This option specifically am not sure it it works properly
It is set to disabled by default and that makes the cpu very often to jump to above 5ghz
When I set it to enable,something strange happens(I am not sure if I am actually lowering the performance I can get out of that powerful cpu)
In windows no matter how heavy cpu intensive task I do,the cpu speed ALMOST never goes above 4.5ghz and the temps and noise levels are MUCH better
It the laptop works much quieter but I am not sure if I am making the cpu weaker(spending a lot of money for a powerful cpu and then make it run at a lower clock speed)
 

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I went to the hidden bios options(there are so many...I did not find from where to unlock the ability to undervolt but I did find the one for overclock(I don't overclock))
This option specifically am not sure it it works properly
It is set to disabled by default and that makes the cpu very often to jump to above 5ghz
When I set it to enable,something strange happens(I am not sure if I am actually lowering the performance I can get out of that powerful cpu)
In windows no matter how heavy cpu intensive task I do,the cpu speed ALMOST never goes above 4.5ghz and the temps and noise levels are MUCH better
It the laptop works much quieter but I am not sure if I am making the cpu weaker(spending a lot of money for a powerful cpu and then make it run at a lower clock speed)

 
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    i7 13650HX
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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    3840×2160
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    Logitech K800
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