Macrium Home (paid) feature questions

TurtleInTheSky · Jun 4, 2024

Since Macrium sales doesn't accept emails like mine from lowly gmail accounts... lol I guess I try here...

The free trial says "Removable media imaging and cloning" but it's not the same as a paid version it seems which says "Bare metal restore to dissimilar hardware with ReDeploy". What exactly does this do?

This company is so gamey it's hard to trust them frankly. Does ReDeploy destroy the source of the clone? I have to test the restore with a path back to a working version. Will both the source and destination hardware boot while simultaneously installed? Removable or not? Is there any support included? What does it cost?

If your hardware dies, if you have some malware/virus infection or possible, this is what you need and perhaps you still want to access, boot both installations to diagnose, recover, test, whatever the case.

Bastet · Jun 4, 2024

ReDeploy afaik means you can restore an image created on one pc to another pc. This is usually done when upgrading to a new pc. You’d restore the image created on your old pc to the new pc then run ReDeploy.
Removable media imaging/cloning means you can image/clone external drives like SD card & USB drives. I image an SD car containing my software.
You’ll receive support for 1 year but have permanent access to their forum.

kelper · Jun 4, 2024

I have no problem talking to Macrium using Gmail?

In case your email is on a block list, try a temporary address to email Macrium.

If your email is fred@gmail.com, you can use fred+blahblah@gmail.com, (replace blablah with anything you like).

This is also handy when you subscribe to any organization as you can later filter out this address if you get spammed.

IanMosley · Jun 4, 2024

As you have the 'paid' version of MR, you can also submit a support ticket and raise your query -

You have first 'Sign Up' to the service; on subsequent occaisons, you just login using your generated username and pasword.

MRs response is usually quite quick.

Froggie · Jun 4, 2024

@Bastet answered your inquiry above.

kelper · Jun 4, 2024

@TurtleInTheSky

Macrium is not gamey. If you want to know more about ReDeploy, why not read about it on their site where it is fully explained?


https://reflect.macrium.com/help/v5/how_to/redeploy/redeploy_a_system_to_new_hardware.htm

SIW2 · Jun 4, 2024

Does ReDeploy destroy the source of the clone?

No. It adjusts the applied image to the new hardware. It doesnt affect the source.

Pretty sure Paragon were the first to do an "adjust to new hardware" module many years ago. Most of the imaging programs have followed and do something similar nowadays.

Paragon P2P "physical to physical adjust"

The O&O "Machine Independent Restoration" looks like this:

Josey Wales · Jun 4, 2024

kelper said:
@SIW2

Where's the rest of your post?

Maybe in The proper thread?

cereberus · Jun 4, 2024

TurtleInTheSky said:
Since Macrium sales doesn't accept emails like mine from lowly gmail accounts... lol I guess I try here...

The free trial says "Removable media imaging and cloning" but it's not the same as a paid version it seems which says "Bare metal restore to dissimilar hardware with ReDeploy". What exactly does this do?

This company is so gamey it's hard to trust them frankly. Does ReDeploy destroy the source of the clone? I have to test the restore with a path back to a working version. Will both the source and destination hardware boot while simultaneously installed? Removable or not? Is there any support included? What does it cost?

If your hardware dies, if you have some malware/virus infection or possible, this is what you need and perhaps you still want to access, boot both installations to diagnose, recover, test, whatever the case.

What!!!

You ask questions about a feature you do not understand then slag the company off as gamey (wtf that means) and talk about trust.

Paramount are a very reputable British company and Macrium Reflect is easily in top three of its class (to me top of class).

Please do proper research before spreading unsolicited FUD.

Steve C · Jun 5, 2024

Redeploy is only needed for transferring an OS to different hardware. You don't know what you are talking about if you think Macrium is gamey. Perhaps you would prefer to use one of the many Chinese backup solutions?

cereberus · Jun 5, 2024

Steve C said:
Redeploy is only needed for transferring an OS to different hardware.

Actually, it is just not needed as much these days due to W10/W11 superior driver handling capabilities.

Much more often than not, W10/11 will automatically reconcile drivers on a hardware change without needing to use redeploy.

It was used a lot back in W7 days which had much inferior driver handling when hardware was changed.

I use a rather different approach i.e. create a custom install.wim of old pc and inject key drivers from new pc using dism commands.

Anybody can do it this way - no need for paid version of Macrium Reflect.

Sounds complicated - but all in dear @Kari's (hope you are getting well) tenforums tutorials. Easier than you might think.

jimbo45 · Jun 5, 2024

cereberus said:
Actually, it is just not needed as much these days due to W10/W11 superior driver handling capabilities.

Much more often than not, W10/11 will automatically reconcile drivers on a hardware change without needing to use redeploy.

It was used a lot back in W7 days which had much inferior driver handling when hardware was changed.

I use a rather different approach i.e. create a custom install.wim of old pc and inject key drivers from new pc using dism commands.

Anybody can do it this way - no need for paid version of Macrium Reflect.

Sounds complicated - but all in dear @Kari's (hope you are getting well) tenforums tutorials. Easier than you might think.

Windows is pretty good these days -- you can even copy a VM to a real machine with some VM software systems - Windows can then go and grab the required physical drivers or install manually specific special hardware drivers from any saved file on your pc - even if stored on an external device. - You though might need to re-activate windows though if the machine's UUID is changed.

Creating a custom install.wim and injecting drivers in it IMHO is much too much like hard work but if only using Windows apps and no 3rd party products then that solution is fine. It's often easier to use something like a bootable instance of GPARTED (100% Free) to clone the old HDD to the new one and update any drivers manually. Having the old drivers in the system rarely causes any problems as the hardware won't exist presumably in the new system.

Query though :

If these are 2 separate physical machines I'd imagine you'd have to create your image to some intermediate removable storage with whatever method you use and then restore that to the 2nd machine unless you physically remove the 2nd machine's target disk.

I'm not sure if dism /Apply-Image works to networked shared drives though -- I don't know but presumably its possible. I'm sure people don't want to open up a new PC to remove the HDD / Nvme -- especially on modern laptops --not so easy.

Like all these things there's often more than one way to accomplish a task -- just be aware of various options and choose the one you feel most comfortable with and if you don't like it / doesn't work choose another method.

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Jun 5, 2024

jimbo45 said:
Windows is pretty good these days -- you can even copy a VM to a real machine with some VM software systems - Windows can then go and grab the required physical drivers or install manually specific special hardware drivers from any saved file on your pc - even if stored on an external device. - You though might need to re-activate windows though if the machine's UUID is changed.

Creating a custom install.wim and injecting drivers in it IMHO is much too much like hard work but if only using Windows apps and no 3rd party products then that solution is fine. It's often easier to use something like a bootable instance of GPARTED (100% Free) to clone the old HDD to the new one and update any drivers manually. Having the old drivers in the system rarely causes any problems as the hardware won't exist presumably in the new system.

Query though :

If these are 2 separate physical machines I'd imagine you'd have to create your image to some intermediate removable storage with whatever method you use and then restore that to the 2nd machine unless you physically remove the 2nd machine's target disk.

I'm not sure if dism /Apply-Image works to networked shared drives though -- I don't know but presumably its possible. I'm sure people don't want to open up a new PC to remove the HDD / Nvme -- especially on modern laptops --not so easy.

Like all these things there's often more than one way to accomplish a task -- just be aware of various options and choose the one you feel most comfortable with and if you don't like it / doesn't work choose another method.

Cheers
jimbo

I just image to my second internal data drive. Re. difficulty - it is not difficult at all for anybody with moderate skill at command promt usage - really just two main dism commands - one to create custom install.wim and one to inject drivers.
Anybody used to Linux commands could easily do this.

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