Registry Editor under 24H2.


streetwolf

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After I upgraded to Windows 11 24H2 I started have issues with Regedit and even some of the similar 3rd party programs. Values in keys that I was able to modify I now get an access Denied Error (5). I have Administrator rights. I used a few of the programs that let me run the Registry Editor as TrustedInstaller (PowerRun for example) but that doesn't always work. I also I get an error message when I right click on a .reg file and do a merge. I never had this problem before 24H2.

Unless 24H2 enforces more restrictions on keys, is their a way to repair the Registry Editor?
 

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After I upgraded to Windows 11 24H2 I started have issues with Regedit and even some of the similar 3rd party programs. Values in keys that I was able to modify I now get an access Denied Error (5). I have Administrator rights. I used a few of the programs that let me run the Registry Editor as TrustedInstaller (PowerRun for example) but that doesn't always work. I also I get an error message when I right click on a .reg file and do a merge. I never had this problem before 24H2.

Unless 24H2 enforces more restrictions on keys, is their a way to repair the Registry Editor?


The registry editor isn't broken.
It's "designed" to be more annoying than before. :cool:

Microsoft is on this... "security, and users don't have a clue" kick.



IF... you get a merge error, when trying to use one of Brink's registry patches,
try right clicking the patch and choosing "Run as Administrator".
 
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You can't Run as Admin on a .reg file. The only option is to do a Merge which hasn't worked since 24H2. I looked at the entry for .reg files and it seems to be OK. Perhaps there is a command line option for regedit.exe that runs it under Admin.
 

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C:\Windows\regedit.exe

I long ago made a shortcut to this. And this can be run as Admin.
But... as you noticed, more and more keys and values toss up access errors on Win 11 in general.


With most items in the registry you can "take ownership" on the Security tab of the properties sheet.
With some though... even that isn't enough.

If taking ownership isn't enough to allow you to edit, it's probably NOT a good idea to try to edit the item in question.
 

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But... as you noticed, more and more keys and values toss up access errors on Win 11 in general.


With most items in the registry you can "take ownership" on the Security tab of the properties sheet.
With some though... even that isn't enough.

Microsoft has introduced a service that prevents using regedit or other tools on a small number of keys - those associated with changing the default program for html and pdf files. I've not heard that this has been extended for 24H2.

regedit has a manifest that sets the execution level to highest available, so if you are a member of the administrators group, it should give you an elevation prompt, or auto elevate if you set UAC to slack as possible or disabled it. If you're getting "access denied " messages, then you could look at the permissions on the keys. If admins don't have write permissions, then that explains it.

If you are the owner of the key, you should be able to change the permissions. So taking ownership, or impersonating the owner will enable you to change the permissions.

Most of the tweaks that I've seen that say you need to take ownership are to items under HKCR. In a lot of cases, you can achieve the desired effect by taking a different approach which doesn't require administrative rights at all. This is how HKCR works. It's HKLM\software\classes overlaid with HKCU\software\classes. HKCU items take preference. So, you can add any key you like, change any existing value, and add any new value. You can't delete keys or values that come from HKLM. For instance you can't remove an unwanted context menu item by deleting the key, but you can block it instead.

Alternatively, if you have admin rights then restore privileges are available to you. This enables you to write to secured objects such as registry keys regardless of permissions. This only works if you open the registry key with a special flag. So you need a program that does that. I don't know of any free (or commercial) programs that do that. It's not difficult to program, so you could try lobbying the author of a third party registry tool in active develpoment to add this feature. A GUI program like this would make one click to destroy windows nice and easy. So, there's a risk that Microsoft would regard this as a "potentially unwanted program" and most AV software would block it

Or you could write your own program. I've tried this using C#, and it does work. It's a very basic command line program, but isn't in a fit state to make available. It would be source code only, but all Windows systems have a C# compiler, so if you can use a command line utilty, then you can compile it yourself. The most common use of the compiler in practice is to produce code snippets to get powershell to do things it can't normally do. If you're a powershell expert and want to try it, message me and I'll send you the relevant code.

Mike
 

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Microsoft has introduced a service that prevents using regedit or other tools on a small number of keys - those associated with changing the default program for html and pdf files. I've not heard that this has been extended for 24H2.
This is known as the UserChoice Protection Driver (UCPD), which denies edits to specific File Type Associations. If you stop & disable UCPD Service, then RegEdit works as before.


With the caveat of you still need a TrustedInstaller rights tool to overcome any keys protected by those permissions.
 

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Kindly do an experiment for me. Under 24H2 go to this reg entry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\Autologger\DefenderApiLogger\{1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f}

Modify "Enabled" to whatever value is there. Do you get an Access Denied message?
 

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Kindly do an experiment for me. Under 24H2 go to this reg entry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\Autologger\DefenderApiLogger\{1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f}

Modify "Enabled" to whatever value is there. Do you get an Access Denied message?



I changed the Enabled from 1 to zero and got no access denied message.

But I'm running Bitdefender, not Windows Defender.


But I seem to have Full Control of... the {1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f} key...

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Maybe when I installed Bitdefender... it changed the permissions ??
 

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It seems to me whatever whatever antivirus program you use shouldn't make a difference when it comes to modifying reg entries. Are you running as an admin and could you give me a screenshot of the permissions for the key I gave you? Something doesn't seem right for me.

If you have any idea why you can modify this entry and I can't please tell me.
 

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It seems to me whatever whatever antivirus program you use shouldn't make a difference when it comes to modifying reg entries. Are you running as an admin and could you give me a screenshot of the permissions for the key I gave you? Something doesn't seem right for me.

If you have any idea why you can modify this entry and I can't please tell me.


That is the key you gave me, and yes, I'm an Administrator and have a Local Account as well.


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As I mentioned above... when Bitdefender is installed... it takes control away from Microsoft Defender.


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Something isn't quite right on my end. Who owns the key on your system? SYSTEM owns the key on my system.
 

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Something isn't quite right on my end. Who owns the key on your system? SYSTEM owns the key on my system.


Same here. See the pics in post #10

Try disabling Microsoft Defender first... ?


 

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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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{1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f} ...is a sub-key of DefenderAPILogger

Maybe Defender is blocking access for you?
 

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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
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    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Kindly do an experiment for me. Under 24H2 go to this reg entry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\WMI\Autologger\DefenderApiLogger\{1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f}

Modify "Enabled" to whatever value is there. Do you get an Access Denied message?
Windows Defender has its own layers of kernel protection which prevent editing of Defender-related keys. The simplest workaround is to boot into Safe Mode (because Defender isn't running), and make your edits.

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The simplest workaround is to boot into Safe Mode (because Defender isn't running), and make your edits.


Safe Mode... That's just plain cheating. LOL
 

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I disabled Defender via Group Policy and also disabled Tamper protection. Rebooted and I can modify the key.
 

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That's just plain cheating. LOL
You're right. Defender is now protected by 1) Tamper Protection on reg edits, 2) reg keys are further locked by the running Defender services, 3) in order to disable Defender services, you need to do an offline reg edit.... and 4) you still need SYSTEM or TrustedInstaller rights.

Or reboot into a Windows environment (WinPE, Recovery, Safe Mode) where Defender isn't running and reduce the chances for user error. I think in your case of running a 3rd-party AV, Defender is "dormant" which means the kernel protections are disabled.
 

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You're right. Defender is now protected by...


I'm glad I use Bitdefender. ^^
At least Bitdefender knows it's MY computer. :D

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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
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    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
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    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
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    Logitech Optical M-100
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
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    Onboard
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
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    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
I went to Group Policy to undo what I did and the option to turn of defender was set to 'not configured'. I guess Defender has a fail safe and turns itself back on after a few minutes. Needless to say I get the access denied message again. Oh well I will try the other options you guys gave me.
 

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    ASUS Maximus Hero Z790
    Memory
    Corsair 2x32GB @ 6600
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    Realtek on motherboard.
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    Corsair 4k, BenQ 4k.
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