Windows 11 24H2 has un-bypassable hardware requirements...


SSE4A is AMD only, while SSE4.2 is supported by both Intel and AMD.
My AMD CPU Phenom II x4 955 is sse4a and will support 24H2
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    some kind of old ASUS MB
    CPU
    old AMD B95
    Motherboard
    ASUS
    Memory
    8gb
    Hard Drives
    ssd WD 500 gb
I don't understand why you're using both LibreOffice and Microsoft Office on the same document. I use LibreOffice exclusively, and have never had a problem with Writer "messing with" anything.
The original document was created on a computer with Microsoft Office and we wanted to add something on another computer without Microsoft Office so we installed Libre Office and screwed all colors and graphics. So it is not 100% compatible to Microsoft Office, no matter what they want you to believe. It is a substitute, not the real thing.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I have understood that since the first time I decide to go with LO. But it’s a very good substitute, I find it perfectly adequate for my needs, and I absolutely love the price.
 

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  • OS
    11 Pro 23H2 22631.3447
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkCentre M920S SFF
    CPU
    i7-9700 @ 3.00GHz
    Motherboard
    Lenovo 3132
    Memory
    32GBDDR4 @ 2666MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD 630 Graphics onboard
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG E2442
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 x Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 500GB NVMe SSD, 1 x WD_BLACK SN770
    250GB NVMe SSD (OS and programs), 1 x WD_BLACK SN770
    500GB NVMe SSD (Data)
    Case
    Lenovo SFF
    Keyboard
    Cherry Stream TKL JK-8600US-2 Wired
    Mouse
    LogiTech M510 wireless
    Internet Speed
    Fast (for fixed wireless!)
    Browser
    Chrome, sometimes Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes Premium & Defender (working together beautifully!)
  • Operating System
    11 Pro 23H2 22631.3527
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkCentre M920S SFF
    CPU
    i5-8400 @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    Lenovo 3132
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 @ 2600MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD 630 Graphics onboard
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG FULL HD (1920x1080@59Hz)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1 x Samsung 970 EVO PLUS NVMe; 1 x Samsung 980 NVMe SSD
    Case
    Lenovo Think Centre SFF
    Mouse
    LogiTech M510 wireless
    Keyboard
    Cherry Stream TKL JK-8600US-2 Wired
    Internet Speed
    Fast (for fixed wireless!)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes Premium and MS Defender, beautiful together
The original document was created on a computer with Microsoft Office and we wanted to add something on another computer without Microsoft Office so we installed Libre Office and screwed all colors and graphics. So it is not 100% compatible to Microsoft Office, no matter what they want you to believe. It is a substitute, not the real thing.
Try
The original document was created on a computer with Microsoft Office and we wanted to add something on another computer without Microsoft Office so we installed Libre Office and screwed all colors and graphics. So it is not 100% compatible to Microsoft Office, no matter what they want you to believe. It is a substitute, not the real thing.
Try WPS Office -- it's far more compatible and is also FREE.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Still using Microsoft Office 2016. If I ever need to upgrade and I cannot afford it I might consider another product. For the time being I stick with Microsoft Office.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Ha, a mere youngster - only born in Q2 '13....

What's with all these i-numbers? Them's powerful CPUs :wink:

You may be surprised (well, I was, at least) just how humble a processor and how far back you can go and still find a '24H2-capable' CPU. The oldest I have in working machines (still in regular use) are a Pentium B950 (Q2 '11) and an AMD V120 (Q2 '10).

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My phenom II x4 will run 24H2 as it has sse4a which does include popcnt
I think they are from 2009
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    some kind of old ASUS MB
    CPU
    old AMD B95
    Motherboard
    ASUS
    Memory
    8gb
    Hard Drives
    ssd WD 500 gb
I'm still using Word 2013 on one computer :-) It was bought standalone instead of full office (even though they were the same price) as at the time I didn't have a lot of storage space for full office and didn't really need it. I occasionally used to use the Microsoft tool for opening an excel file but rarely received them. I sometimes install Libre office for opening spreadsheets. But have full office on my main laptop.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Still using Microsoft Office 2016. If I ever need to upgrade and I cannot afford it I might consider another product. For the time being I stick with Microsoft Office.
also worth mentioning, but when you login to your MS account you can run a web based version of Word and Excel for free that handle the vast majority of basic features that most people use.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I'm currently running Windows 11 23H2 (22635.3286) on my super old Core 2 Quad 9550 and it's working pretty well so far!!! However, I'm aware I won't be able to boot version 24H2, so I did the trick to block Windows Update from trying to update to version 24H2 when the time comes!!! Knowing that version 23H2 will be supported until November 2026 makes me quite comfortable, especially because until then this rig will be retired once and for all!!!

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS
also worth mentioning, but when you login to your MS account you can run a web based version of Word and Excel for free that handle the vast majority of basic features that most people use.
The problem with the free versions is that they may be fine when generating new documents (albeit limited features), but they are not so useful when trying to edit files generated by other users with more advanced features.

Let's be honest - people here say they cannot afford MS Office but these same people have broadband, mobile phones etc. A lease of MS 365 costs around £5 per month which is more or less the price of 1 pint of beer in many parts of UK. I do not regard that as expensive.

I fully accept this is not true for everybody, particularly 3rd World countries, and there are some who genuinely cannot afford the cost.

But I bet in a lot of cases of people who will not pay, it is simply the endemic attitude many have i.e. I hate MS and refuse to pay them anything for software.

I could RIDICULOUSLY say "I hate Harrods - they make lots of money so their food should be free".

Of course, over time, leasing works out more expensive than one-off purchases (especially the grey market of dodgy licences).

So if cash strapped, ask yourself if you could afford £5 per month to get (as Tina used to sing) simply the best.

In the end, it all comes down to a person's needs but however one spins it, free options will never be as good as MS Office (and to lesser degree running old versions).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Damn, i just checked my overclocked Q6600/8gb DDR2 system, it has no SSE4.2 and is running 11 Pro-23H2 superfine. But i am sure "they" will find a way sooner or later for this old CPUs to install 24H2
I wouldn't be so sure about it!!! One thing is to bypass the "artificial" requirements imposed by Microsoft for version 23H2, but the damn POPCOUNT instruction requirement is a completely different thing since the new "Germanium" kernel won't even boot without it!!! At best, some "non-critical" features could perhaps be ported from 24H2 to 23H2, but I don't see many chances of something bigger happening!!!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS
Let's be honest - people here say they cannot afford MS Office but these same people have broadband, mobile phones etc. A lease of MS 365 costs around £5 per month which is more or less the price of 1 pint of beer in many parts of UK. I do not regard that as expensive.
I couldn't have said it better!!! I have a basic Office 365 subscription and it costs me less than two cans of beer a month!!!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Optiplex 380
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83 GHZ
    Motherboard
    DELL G41 0HN7XN
    Memory
    8 GB DDR3 1333 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD RX 550 LEXA 4GB DX12 128-BIT
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 32" 60 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Windows 11)
    1x SSD Hynix 1 TB (Swap File / Recovery / System Backup)
    1x HDD Seagate Barracuda Green 4 TB (Main Storage)
    PSU
    DELL 345W
    Case
    DELL SFF
    Cooling
    DELL STOCK AIR COOLER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Mouse
    MULTILASER GAMER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    EDGE/CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    OLD DELL RIGS ARE BRAVE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Core i3 4005 1.7 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Unknown
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4 2133 MHZ
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Sound Card
    Onboard HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    1x SSD 240 GB
    1x HDD 500 GB
    PSU
    STOCK
    Cooling
    STOCK
    Mouse
    MULTILASER
    Keyboard
    MULTILASER
    Internet Speed
    600 MBPS
    Browser
    CHROME
    Antivirus
    AVAST PREMIUM
    Other Info
    DUAL-CORE SUCKS
I couldn't have said it better!!! I have a basic Office 365 subscription and it costs me less than two cans of beer a month!!!
It's not the price (yet) that's the bother --it's the whole subscription thing -- these can mount up insidiously so it's not unusual to see people with as many as 20 odd subscriptions for all sorts of junk / services I suppose they never even realized the had -- especially those trial things that you have to explicitly cancel.

I have only Broadband, Netflix and Amazon prime (worth it because of free and fast deliveries and I pay that one yearly). The only other monthly thing I have are utilities bills. I own my own property (Mortgage free) and car with no loans etc and that's how I'm staying. On mobile phone I have a pay as you go sim.

There's nothing specific in Office/365 that isn't do-able in Office 2010 --or at least for 90% of typical users. I don't see what's wrong in legal legit copies of Office 2019 etc if people want to use those. Most of them seem to work -- Ms would surely kill any pirate one's immediately.

But this whole subscription thing has been debated here almost ad nauseam so people have already made their minds up on it so that's that.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
I wouldn't be so sure about it!!! One thing is to bypass the "artificial" requirements imposed by Microsoft for version 23H2, but the damn POPCOUNT instruction requirement is a completely different thing since the new "Germanium" kernel won't even boot without it!!! At best, some "non-critical" features could perhaps be ported from 24H2 to 23H2, but I don't see many chances of something bigger happening!!!
That's why I suggested it MIGHT be possible to make it work if you swap the relevant kernel files with the 23H2 ones. I don't know exactly which these are, but I guess ntoskrnl.exe, winload.exe or winloadx.exe all found in C:\Windows\System32 folder. Of course there is a great chance to damage Windows by replacing these files and never load again unless repaired, so I would make a backup of the original 24H2 files before replacing and most important I would first try that on a virtual machine so if anything happens I just delete it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
It's not the price (yet) that's the bother --it's the whole subscription thing -- these can mount up insidiously so it's not unusual to see people with as many as 20 odd subscriptions for all sorts of junk / services I suppose they never even realized the had -- especially those trial things that you have to explicitly cancel.

I have only Broadband, Netflix and Amazon prime (worth it because of free and fast deliveries and I pay that one yearly). The only other monthly thing I have are utilities bills. I own my own property (Mortgage free) and car with no loans etc and that's how I'm staying. On mobile phone I have a pay as you go sim.

There's nothing specific in Office/365 that isn't do-able in Office 2010 --or at least for 90% of typical users. I don't see what's wrong in legal legit copies of Office 2019 etc if people want to use those. Most of them seem to work -- Ms would surely kill any pirate one's immediately.

But this whole subscription thing has been debated here almost ad nauseam so people have already made their minds up on it so that's that.

Cheers
jimbo
Agree. These £5 a months add up. We currently have £9 a month netflix, £8 a month for Which, £9 a month for idrive, 3 mobile phone contracts. All of which I think are worth it for our situation but there's a limit to how many subscriptions you can pay when counting pennies.

It's something we're trying to teach the teenager, who has taken out quite a few monthly subscriptions and then finds most of his allowance is gone at the start of the month. Xbox, disney plus and various others. £5 doesn't sound a lot - unless you have other subscriptions!

I'm not keen on subscriptions - especially the netflix one, but others insist on that. I'd rather buy something outright and be done with it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I forgot the Ring doorbell subscription as well - about £8 a month. I like the security element so want to keep that, but thinking about it will probably cancel the Which subscription now :-) Not really necessary.

Software - I have paid for copies. The only monthly subscription is the recent idrive one which I feel is worth it and saves on the number of external drives I need to buy.

I think the other thing is - Office home and student 2021 is £119. £5 a month would pay for that in two years. Any remaining £5 a month could be saved. Our boy has been saving £10 a month for years and it's a sizeable sum now, with interest.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I'm currently running Windows 11 23H2 (22635.3286) on my super old Core 2 Quad 9550 and it's working pretty well so far!!! However, I'm aware I won't be able to boot version 24H2, so I did the trick to block Windows Update from trying to update to version 24H2 when the time comes!!!
Actually, you probably didn't need to do that, though it cannot hurt to be prepared. When a new Feature Update is about to be released Windows Update will quietly check that your PC meets the compatibility requirements and store the results in the Registry. Only if it passes all the checks (indicated by RedReason 'None') will you be offered the Feature Update. This is why unsupported devices never see Feature Updates offered in Windows Update.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Only if it passes all the checks (indicated by RedReason 'None') will you be offered the Feature Update
It never occurred to me to test this when I had my old non-compatible Windows 11 test computer.
If I had manually altered the RedReason entry to None, would that computer's WU have identified & attempted to install the next Version update?


Denis
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
If I had manually altered the RedReason entry to None, would that computer's WU have identified & attempted to install the next Version update?
Unfortunately it's not that simple. The RedReason is just a top level summary of the reason(s) it is incompatible. There are multiple other indicators in that key for each individual check. Here's another example that failed on CPU, TPM, and a Legacy bios. This particular laptop is also going to fail on PopCnt when it gets round to doing the GE24H2 test.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
That's why we have to manually download the ISO and bypass compatibility check to upgrade. CPUs from 2012 and newer (except Atom) have the required PopCnt instruction, but are not Windows 11 compliant. So we will have to manually download the ISO again. Also we must disconnect from the internet until the upgrade is complete otherwise a hidden online compatibility check will make it fail.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3374)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

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