Personalization Add "Turn off display" Context Menu in Windows 11

Edwin · Jun 30, 2024

Ghot said:
I just used the REG patch in the tutorial (Option #1), and it works fine for me.

Same here, whether it's app media or web media...,
as long as the nircmd file is still in System32.

Brink · Jun 30, 2024

Edwin said:
Same here, whether it's app media or web media...,
as long as the nircmd file is still in System32.

Actually, the tutorial method no longer needs the nircmd file.

Donk · Jun 30, 2024

So one does that mean, what did I have to do now?

There is a Pioneer VSX-830-K amplifier connected with HDMI cable and to that amp a TV.

Brink · Jun 30, 2024

Donk said:
So one does that mean, what did I have to do now?

There is a Pioneer VSX-830-K amplifier connected with HDMI cable and to that amp a TV.

Hello Donk,

Just to confirm, did you use the latest REG versions currently in the tutorial?

hdmi · Jun 30, 2024

Donk said:
OK, it is like:

When I double click ScreenOff.exe the monitor turns off, but so does the music.

Here's a batchfile that changes the display timeout to 2 seconds, waits for the timeout to occur, then changes the timeout back to its original setting.

Batch:

@ECHO OFF
TITLE ScreenOff
ECHO.
<NUL SET /P="Hold on . . . "
FOR /F "delims=" %%F IN ('powercfg getactivescheme') DO SET "A=%%F"
SET "A=%A:*: =%"
SET "A=%A:~,36%"
SETLOCAL ENABLEDELAYEDEXPANSION
FOR /F "delims=" %%F IN ('powercfg q %A% sub_video videoidle') DO (
  SET "B=%%F"
  IF NOT !B!=="" (SET "AC=!DC!"&SET "DC=!B:*: =!")
)
powercfg setacvalueindex %A% sub_video videoidle 2
powercfg setdcvalueindex %A% sub_video videoidle 2
powercfg s %A%
powercfg setacvalueindex %A% sub_video videoidle !AC!
powercfg setdcvalueindex %A% sub_video videoidle !DC!
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2 >NUL
CLS
ECHO.
<NUL SET /P="See ya^!^! :-) "
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 4 >NUL
powercfg s %A%

Donk · Jun 30, 2024

Sorry, by turn off the music
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Hello Brink,

No, if I remember correctly I never tried any REG version. I guess, because I was afraid that could lead to problems.

Here's a batchfile that changes the display timeout to 2 seconds, waits for the timeout to occur, then changes the timeout back to its original setting.

Thank you very much!

After clicking

it the monitor turns off after that 2 seconds, then after about two further seconds the music comes from the Notebook speakers.

When I then press any key the monitor turns on and the music a fraction of a second comes from the speakers of the amp again.

hdmi · Jul 1, 2024

Donk said:
it the monitor turns off after that 2 seconds, then after about two further seconds the music comes from the Notebook speakers.

When I then press any key the monitor turns on and the music a fraction of a second comes from the speakers of the amp again.

A normal HDMI signal contains both audio and video in such a way that, when the video signal is disabled by the source device (i.e., the device that has the HDMI output port in question, such as your laptop), then so is the audio signal. Windows automatically turns the audio playback device over to the laptop's internal speakers when this happens. An AV Receiver's HDMI input port can still continue to input the audio after the monitor/TV is turned off, but not after the monitor/TV is turned off automatically as a result of letting the source device disable the signal.

However, depending on what specific hardware setup you have, turning the monitor off by pressing the power/standby button on it (or turning the TV off by pressing the button on its remote control) can cause the audio to drop out for a short moment, but the good news about this is, especially if you use a TV, this can very often be possible to avoid, i.e., if the TV has a feature that lets you turn off only the picture on the TV (not turn off the whole TV).

Also depending on what specific hardware setup you have, several other methods may be possible to achieve the desired outcome of audio output continuing to work over HDMI after a monitor/TV is turned off. For example, it might be possible to add a USB-C to HDMI adapter that has all the right specs to be able to duplicate/extend the desktop and experiment to find out what happens after choosing to plug the monitor into the laptop's HDMI output port, the receiver into the USB-C adapter's HDMI output port, etc..

That being said, personally, I, hugely prefer to use my 2-channel outboard DAC for listening to stereo music through my pair of Canton Vento 890.2 DC loudspeakers. The vast majority of commercially available surround music titles suck, mostly due to poor quality recording in multi-channel and/or due to the "surround" part being just fake (i.e., a bunch of gimmicky effects that were slapped on to give it the impression of "surround sound"). Exceptions to this are very rare. (Steven Wilson is one remarkable example of such an exception IMO.) But anyway. Due to the fact that my outboard DAC is hooked up to my laptop through USB (XMOS), I can mess with the HDMI stuff pretty much whenever I like. It does not muck up the stereo sound that comes out of the DAC.

Donk · Jul 1, 2024

The TV always (connected to the Pioneer VSX-830-K, not to the Notebook) is turned off / in standby when the music is output the Pioneer VSX-830-K.

I have an extremely primitive (actually completely rubbish) Lenovo IdeaPad 3 17ABA7 (one HDMI socket). The USB-C socket is used by a USB hub with 4 USB 3 sockets. Maybe there is such with USB 3 sockets and a HDMI socket. Or one could plug in a HDMI to USB cable or such.

it might be possible to add a USB-C to HDMI adapter that has all the right specs to be able to duplicate/extend the desktop and experiment to find out what happens after choosing to plug the monitor into the laptop's HDMI output port, the receiver into the USB-C adapter's HDMI output port

So, in this example, when I watch a movie both of the outputs (Notebook HDMI and USB-C HDMI) would have to output the signal(s) at the same time. But I assume that would not be possible.

I, hugely prefer to use my 2-channel outboard DAC for listening to stereo music

I have all my music I listen to on hard drives and use a music player program on the Notebook to play that music. Would that somehow work with such a DAC?

I just listend to Steven's great music yesterday again. But I only have two cheap Yamaha speakers. No 5.1 sound system or so.

Due to the fact that my outboard DAC is hooked up to my laptop through USB (XMOS), I can mess with the HDMI stuff pretty much whenever I like. It does not muck up the stereo sound that comes out of the DAC.

So it seems it is possible to use such a DAC to play music the same way I do at the moment.

So it seems (for this actually ridiculously sounding option, to just turn off the monitor but not the music) there is no (knewn) way at the moment with that hardware.

hdmi · Jul 1, 2024

@Donk

Can't you just press the power/standby button on the monitor to turn it off when you are only listening to music? Maybe you could try using the laptop's built-in screen to still be able to see the music player program. If I play sound through my laptop's HDMI with the Emotiva UMC-200 hooked up between the TV and it, then if I use the remote to turn the TV off, the sound gets interrupted for a short moment, but still continues to play through the UMC-200. (However, the UMC-200 doesn't support 4k signals so, I have the TV hooked up between the laptop's HDMI and the UMC-200 by using the eARC ability of the TV, which works, and, to still be able to access the on-screen settings menu of the UMC-200, I simply added another HDMI cable to hook up one of the UMC-200's HDMI outputs to one of the TV's HDMI inputs.)

For watching a movie, the multi-monitor trick could work. The two HDMI outputs should both be able to carry the same audio signal, but you'd have to experiment with the laptop's Display settings like duplicate/extend (and the display resolution of each display device that appears in there if you choose extend). Also keep in mind that, if you choose extend, the mouse pointer can be moved from one screen to the other via the screen borders so, it can disappear if no monitor/TV is hooked up to the AV Receiver, and the window of a program can also become invisible if it gets opened on the monitor/TV that doesn't exist. I don't really recommend to buy a USB-C adapter/hub with HDMI if the only goal is just to be able to turn the monitor off in Windows, when it is possible to turn the monitor off by simply pressing the power/standby button on the monitor itself, but I know that some people want to do it anyway.

For music playback I use foobar2000 with WASAPI. It takes some time to get used to it, but... like any music player program, it works with any device that Windows recognizes as an audio playback device.

Donk · Jul 2, 2024

Can't you just press the power/standby button on the monitor to turn it off when you are only listening to music?

After having assigned the option "Turn off display" (or so) in the energy saving plan? Or with that "save energy" option / key (after having assigned the option "Turn off display" in the energy saving plan to that key / item)? I guess, the same will happen as if I turn off the display otherwise. Cannot remember to have tried it, but I assume I once did it, but I will try again, don't know if there are downloads / processes interrupted when I do it (I guess, they aren't), so I will try it shortly before I would shut down the Notebook (or hibernate).

Maybe you could try using the laptop's built-in screen to still be able to see the music player program.

Sorry, I do not understand. When I turn off that display by pressing the power/standby button it would be turned off then. So if I wanted to see the music player I would have to turn it on again (by pressing any key maybe). Or am I missing anything?

If I play sound through my laptop's HDMI with the Emotiva UMC-200 hooked up between the TV and it, then if I use the remote to turn the TV off, the sound gets interrupted for a short moment, but still continues to play through the UMC-200.

The same here with the sound when I turn on / off the TV. The monitor automatically switches to the second monitor / back to the duplicate (both monitors) when turning off.

For watching a movie, the multi-monitor trick could work.

So the multi(two)-HDMI-cable trick? Using two HDMI cables for the same signals at the same time for the same purpose so to say mentioned above before, I guess.

but you'd have to experiment with the laptop's Display settings like duplicate/extend (and the display resolution of each display device that appears in there if you choose extend). Also keep in mind that, if you choose extend, the mouse pointer can be moved from one screen to the other via the screen borders so, it can disappear if no monitor/TV is hooked up to the AV Receiver, and the window of a program can also become invisible if it gets opened on the monitor/TV that doesn't exist.

Yes, the same behavior / issues generally when using only one HDMI cable, I assume.

I don't really recommend to buy a USB-C adapter/hub with HDMI if the only goal is just to be able to turn the monitor off in Windows, when it is possible to turn the monitor off by simply pressing the power/standby button on the monitor itself

You mean by pressing the power/standby button on the Notebook itself? Yes, then it would actually be superfluous/not necessary. Or do you mean another reason?

I use AIMP (previously foobar), I assume, it does the same with built in options what foobar with WASAPI does, although I am not quite sure to entirely know what WASAPI does.

hdmi · Jul 2, 2024

@Donk

On my Medion Akoya S15450 laptop that supports S3 Sleep (as I have disabled Modern Standby on it), after I turn off the display in Windows, either by running a command or by letting the idle timeout of the power settings in Windows expire, the laptop's HDMI output signal is disabled, but the TV stays on and the "no signal" message appears on it. That's when the audio playback moves to the laptop's built-in speakers. Whereas if I don't run a command and I change the power settings in Windows to never sleep and to never turn off the display, then if I use the TV's remote to turn the TV off, the audio that is being played through the laptop's HDMI on the UMC-200 disappears for a short moment, i.e. before it continues to be heard through the UMC-200's analog RCA outputs like normal.

On a laptop that supports Modern Standby, if there is no way to disable Modern Standby on it in such a way that doing so causes it to correctly support S3 Sleep, then turning off the display in Windows or letting Windows turn off the display when the idle timeout expires is what puts the laptop in the Modern Standby state, to save power. Some music player programs can prevent this Modern Standby behavior from interrupting the music playback, but not all of them can. I like to believe that the people at Microsoft who designed Modern Standby are sadistic enough to actually enjoy the fact that our computer enters the Modern Standby state when all we want is to let our computer continue to run whichever the tasks that we want it to run after our display is turned off simply because we won't be looking at the display for a prolonged period of time while the tasks continue to run, also for a prolonged period of time. Per usual, it's only Microsoft...

As for choosing to use the laptop's built-in screen, what I meant was that you could always decide to keep only the built-in screen turned on when you're only listening to music, and also consider to lower its brightness to save power, also when you're only listening to music. That is, on a laptop, if you are able to use its built-in screen in such a way that doing so lets you use the music player program for what you had in mind, then you do not necessarily always have to keep the external monitor/TV turned on for many hours when you're only listening to music. Like I already previously explained, usually, a TV can also conveniently be used to turn off only its picture so as to avoid having to turn the whole TV off to save power (and to extend the life of its backlight if it's not an OLED TV). Some people (not me) prefer to use an app on a smartphone or tablet that enables them to wirelessly control a music player program that runs on a Windows computer on the same Wi-Fi network. Others like to use some combination of multiple different ways to control the player.

If you have questions about running foobar2000 with WASAPI and/or any other media playback related subject, then please feel free to open a new discussion thread in Apps and Software.

Donk · Jul 2, 2024

On my Medion Akoya S15450 laptop that supports S3 Sleep (as I have disabled Modern Standby on it), after I turn off the display in Windows, either by running a command or by letting the idle timeout of the power settings in Windows expire, the laptop's HDMI output signal is disabled, but the TV stays on and the "no signal" message appears on it. That's when the audio playback moves to the laptop's built-in speakers. Whereas if I don't run a command and I change the power settings in Windows to never sleep and to never turn off the display, then if I use the TV's remote to turn the TV off, the audio that is being played through the laptop's HDMI on the UMC-200 disappears for a short moment, i.e. before it continues to be heard through the UMC-200's analog RCA outputs like normal.

And the Notebook display turns on as well, I guess (or does it stay dark?). Yes, the exact behavior here, I would say.

When a movie (shown on TV display, a primitive rubbish LG 3D-Plasma-TV 50PM470S 127) is running there is no problem (besides of that the Notebook is kind of freezing and such and has to be shut off completely then when I start Kodi without having the TV turned on) in this context here. The TV is not running otherwise, so I am not listening to music from the Notebook while the TV is running. Everything is so to say as it should be. The only issue here I have with the Notebook display to be switched off when the TV is not running, that only works with cutting off the sound of the external amp.

Yes, I have shortcuts to decrease and increase the brightness of the Notebook display I use all the time (in the absence of being able to turn it off).

Many thanks for the link as well.

hdmi · Jul 2, 2024

Donk said:
And the Notebook display turns on as well, I guess (or does it stay dark?). Yes, the exact behavior here, I would say.

The laptop's built-in screen does not automatically turn back on when the TV is turned off. If you want to turn the laptop's built-in screen back on and you can't seem to find a way to do it, then either you have to physically unplug the laptop's HDMI or you have to go into the multi-monitor section of the display settings that I earlier mentioned (either go in Windows Settings or go in the program from the manufacturer that lets you also control these settings, e.g. AMD Radeon Settings, Nvidia Control Panel, Intel Graphics Control Center or Intel ARC software) to remedy the problem. Alternatively, you could decide to use a 3rd party software utility that lets you turn on/off each display device individually from the command line so that it will be possible to create desktop shortcuts that run the appropriate commands you want.

Donk said:
When a movie (shown on TV display, a primitive rubbish LG 3D-Plasma-TV 50PM470S 127) is running there is no problem (besides of that the Notebook is kind of freezing and such and has to be shut off completely then when I start Kodi without having the TV turned on) in this context here.

I don't use Kodi (even though I know that it is possible to make it use MPC-HC for playback) nor use any other frontend (JRiver Media Center, Roon, etc.,... it's all the same kind of uselessness to me TBH.) Instead, I use K-Lite Codec Pack Full from codecguide.com website, with MPC-HC as the player and madVR as the renderer. Every other player degrades the playback quality, in one way or another or else it causes at least one other problem like running too hot causing the cooling fan to get too loud especially on older/slower laptops (even more so if you use a laptop to play full Blu-ray movies in 4k) while offering no effective ways to try to mitigate that to a level that can be satisfactory, IMO and IME. MPC-HC with madVR lets me tweak and adjust, and experiment with, a whole plethora of settings to find the best tradeoff and get smooth results from the hardware i.e. due to, in that regard, me choosing to take the various limitations of the hardware well into account.

Donk said:
The TV is not running otherwise, so I am not listening to music from the Notebook while the TV is running. Everything is so to say as it should be. The only issue here I have with the Notebook display to be switched off when the TV is not running, that only works with cutting off the sound of the external amp.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but, as long as the multi-monitor selection under Windows Settings | System | Display is set to Show only on 2, the laptop's built-in screen stays off. Next, when you use the remote to go to the LG's built-in settings menu | Picture | Energy Saving | Screen Off, then the plasma panel that is inside the LG should turn off in such a particular way that the Pioneer does not lose the sound (i.e., not even for a short moment...). In my Sony there's a function that is similar to this. To turn the Sony's picture back on, all I have to do is press the Back button on the Sony remote. As an aside, the Sony lets me create and organize shortcuts to some of its functions on a quick access menu bar so, I added it on there, and I moved it all the way to the front where it takes the fewest button presses to navigate to it. Maybe your LG also lets you add a similar shortcut, or quick access option, I don't know.

Donk said:
Yes, I have shortcuts to decrease and increase the brightness of the Notebook display I use all the time (in the absence of being able to turn it off).

Many thanks for the link as well.

YW.

Donk · Jul 2, 2024

The laptop's built-in screen does not automatically turn back on when the TV is turned off.

Nono, this Notebook display and the ones I had before turn on automatically when the TV is turned off (with the sound being interrupted shortly). For the TV I just have chosen the second monitor (for the Notebook I have duplicate (or whatever it is called).

Every other player degrades the playback quality,

In what way(s)? I mostly watch 480p or 720p, very less 1080p, so I guess the quality isn't that good anyway. Maybe 4k cannot be handled that well on many devices and / or by the programs, more CPU used and such from those programs.

Instead, I use K-Lite Codec Pack Full from codecguide.com website, with MPC-HC as the player and madVR as the renderer.

But it sounds like quite a bit of work to get a good setting (at least oposed to Kodi).

Next, when you use the remote to go to the LG's built-in settings menu | Picture | Energy Saving | Screen Off, then the plasma panel that is inside the LG should turn off in such a particular way that the Pioneer does not lose the sound (i.e., not even for a short moment...).

Screen Off is set, but the sound is interrupted for a short time when turning on / off the TV.

Maybe your LG also lets you add a similar shortcut, or quick access option, I don't know.

I don't think so, no such option found on TV or the manual. It is more than 12 years old (but maybe such option already existed back then).

hdmi · Jul 2, 2024

Donk said:
Nono, this Notebook display and the ones I had before turn on automatically when the TV is turned off (with the sound being interrupted shortly). For the TV I just have chosen the second monitor (for the Notebook I have duplicate (or whatever it is called).

Try changing the setting to Show only on 2.

Donk said:
In what way(s)? I mostly watch 480p or 720p, very less 1080p, so I guess the quality isn't that good anyway.

It always depends, but upscaling with madVR is one example of why it very often does help to improve the quality.

Donk said:
Maybe 4k cannot be handled that well on many devices and / or by the programs, more CPU used and such from those programs.

That's another good example of why, but the fact that MPC-HC is lightweight also can help to achieve smooth, stutter-free playback when madVR upscales or when madVR upscales on higher quality settings.

Donk said:
But it sounds like quite a bit of work to get a good setting (at least oposed to Kodi).

While video is playing, you can press Ctrl + J to cycle through the statistics overlay windows and keep an eye on the number of dropped frames. Some frames dropped when the playback starts is normal, but if the number goes up while video is playing, it means that the playback isn't perfectly smooth. For it to be smooth the vertical refresh frequency of the display hardware needs to be in sync with the video's own framerate, and, in addition, enough processing power needs to be available to keep up with the load. This load might be too heavy if using madVR to upscale on high settings with a slow CPU. I don't know what CPU is in your laptop, but I think upscaling lower resolution content like 720p (and especially 480p) to 1080p with madVR can give smooth playback on something like maybe an AMD Ryzen 3 5425U CPU.

Donk said:
Screen Off is set, but the sound is interrupted for a short time when turning on / off the TV.

Does this happen also after you changed the display setting in Windows Settings to Show only on 2?

Donk said:
I don't think so, no such option found on TV or the manual. It is more than 12 years old (but maybe such option already existed back then).

I had an LG 55LH5000 back then.

Donk · Jul 3, 2024

Try changing the setting to Show only on 2.

This is already set / shown when the TV is running. When the TV is not running this is set (duplicate):

it means that the playback isn't perfectly smooth.

And how is this noticeable to the viewer? By isn't perfectly smooth you mean there is a (visible) jerking / stuttering? I do not have here any jerking, so I would think Kodi runs very smoothly.

I assume, Kodi does not upscale anything, never heard of it. So

I don't know what CPU is in your laptop, but I think upscaling lower resolution content like 720p (and especially 480p) to 1080p with madVR can give smooth playback on something like maybe an AMD Ryzen 3 5425U CPU.

I have an AMD Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics. Smooth playback means visibly more sharpness through upscaling?

Does this happen also after you changed the display setting in Windows Settings to Show only on 2?

Yes, with the settings on the screenshot above, show only 2 when the TV is turned on.

hdmi · Jul 3, 2024

Donk said:
This is already set / shown when the TV is running. When the TV is not running this is set (duplicate):

On my Medion laptop, as long as the HDMI cable stays plugged in, this setting never changes automatically. Show only on 2 stays always selected regardless of whether the TV is running. Besides interrupting the HDMI audio for a short moment, the laptop's LCD backlight also turns on (with a black screen) for a short moment when I turn the TV on/off.

Whereas, if turn on/off only the picture in the TV (not turn on/off the TV), then Show only on 2 stays selected also, but the difference is that the HDMI audio and the laptop's LCD backlight are unaffected.

Donk said:
And how is this noticeable to the viewer? By isn't perfectly smooth you mean there is a (visible) jerking / stuttering? I do not have here any jerking, so I would think Kodi runs very smoothly.

Yes, but the stuttering starts to occur e.g. if the upscaling in madVR is enabled while its settings are higher than what the CPU is able to cope with. If this happens, then lowering these settings can help to make it smooth again or if it still can't, then if nothing else helps, disabling the upscaling in madVR would be the only choice besides getting a faster CPU. In madVR settings, upscaling is disabled by default. A mismatch between the display hardware's vertical refresh frequency and the video framerate is not a problem if the former is a multiple of the latter. E.g., playing a 30fps file on a TV while the Radeon Vega 7 Graphics of your laptop outputs a 60Hz signal to the TV is still perfect in that regard.

Settings/Player/Videos - Official Kodi Wiki

kodi.wiki

Donk said:
I assume, Kodi does not upscale anything, never heard of it. So

Upscaling...Revisted

Donk said:
I have an AMD Ryzen 5 5625U with Radeon Graphics. Smooth playback means visibly more sharpness through upscaling?

No, what I meant was that upscaling can achieve visibly more sharpness and overall picture quality, BUT... if the CPU doesn't have enough processing power to be able to keep the playback in perfect sync with the video framerate (i.e., no frames dropped during the playback), then the playback won't be perfectly smooth, like trying to play a CPU-intensive videogame on high settings with a CPU that is too slow to keep it perfectly smooth.

Some people don't notice the framedrops as much, but I very often notice them immediately so, I always make sure that they don't occur. The same with duplicated frames; these occur if the video framerate is a tad lower than the vertical refresh frequency, e.g., watching a 23.976fps (24000:1001) file at 24Hz ("24p") as opposed to watching it at 23.976Hz ("23p").

Donk said:
Yes, with the settings on the screenshot above, show only 2 when the TV is turned on.

I don't know why your laptop automatically switches it to Duplicate. I have been using 6 different laptops with Intel (2 from Medion w/ Intel+Nvidia, 2 from Medion w/ Intel only, 2 from Asus w/ Intel+Nvidia) since before Window 7 officially came out. I had 4 different HDMI TVs to play with over all the years (one from LG, one from Medion, 2 from Sony). I never saw this problem.

Donk · Jul 3, 2024

On my Medion laptop, as long as the HDMI cable stays plugged in, this setting never changes automatically. Show only on 2 stays always selected regardless of whether the TV is running.

But then the Notebook display keeps turned off after turning off the TV, doesn't it? And one has to turn it on manually each time?

Many thanks for the links, then I'll try out a few different settings regarding upscaling, seeing what is possible with this CPU.

I don't know why your laptop automatically switches it to Duplicate. I have been using 6 different laptops with Intel (2 from Medion w/ Intel+Nvidia, 2 from Medion w/ Intel only, 2 from Asus w/ Intel+Nvidia) since before Window 7 officially came out. I had 4 different HDMI TVs to play with over all the years (one from LG, one from Medion, 2 from Sony). I never saw this problem.

I even didn't know it is a problem at all, I guess, I am used to it, always thought that is how it is supposed to be. I could assign another display to the Notebook, e.g. only the PC display, and it would then always automatically turn that on / off, I assume. When I switch here

to extend the sound is not interrupted. To "Show only on 2" (without or with the TV running) there is one. Switching to PC monitor turns off the external sound and on the internal Notebook speakers and to "Duplicate" it turns off the Notebook speakers and on the Pioneer VSX-830-K speakers. "Duplicate" seems to be the correct option here (didn't find a better one). To TV is set to "Just scan" (otherwise there are problems with the correct display size / distortions. May be there is a setting in the TV causing different behaviors of the Win monitor settings.

hdmi · Jul 4, 2024

Donk said:
But then the Notebook display keeps turned off after turning off the TV, doesn't it? And one has to turn it on manually each time?

Yes, and yes. Thank heavens for that...

Donk said:
Many thanks for the links, then I'll try out afew different settings regarding upscaling, seeing what is possible with this CPU.

When you do, consider to also keep an eye on the temperature sensor values from time to time. For this, use a monitoring tool software. Laptops protect themselves against overheating by starting to throttle the CPU before it runs too hot, and I know that the Ryzen 5 5625U is only a 15 watt part so, it doesn't generate that much heat, but still. Make sure that the ventilation holes aren't clogged with dust, and that nothing can restrict/block the air flowing through any of them.

Laptops running very warm with their cooling fan spinning at close to maximum speeds for prolonged periods of time are vacuum cleaners. They suck up dust until they are full. So, a long time before it starts to get full, if you are a bit of a handy person, open the bottom cover to carefully clean it out on the inside of the laptop.

Donk said:
I even didn't know it is a problem at all, I guess, I am used to it, always thought that is how it is supposed to be.

Some upper-class engineers have piddle poor interpretations of what should and what shouldn't be a problem. I used to work as a systems engineer on Windows 2000 for a year right after I graduated in IT so, I believe that puts me in a position where I can speak from professional experience personally. Enough to know that screens turning theirself automagically back on in the middle of the night after the user finally managed to get some sleep can, and do, present real problems especially when there is no easy way to stop the behavior or to at least stop the unwanted side effects thereof.

I mean, if the only behavior that can easily be stopped is the user's own behavior of finally managing to get some sleep, then clearly, what those design engineers have accomplished is really nothing more than just another piece of malware-like junk. I know that isn't funny. But still cracks me up good every single time. Sorry, I did it on purpose...

Donk said:
I could assign another display to the Notebook, e.g. only the PC display, and it would then always automatically turn that on / off, I assume. When I switch here

to extend the sound is not interrupted. To "Show only on 2" (without or with the TV running) there is one. Switching to PC monitor turns off the external sound and on the internal Notebook speakers and to "Duplicate" it turns off the Notebook speakers and on the Pioneer VSX-830-K speakers. "Duplicate" seems to be the correct option here (didn't find a better one). To TV is set to "Just scan" (otherwise there are problems with the correct display size / distortions. May be there is a setting in the TV causing different behaviors of the Win monitor settings.

The "Just scan" setting might also be a part of the problem, I don't know. The TV probably has other settings that let you specify things like the correct display size and aspect ratio, and maybe also the horizontal/vertical alignment/stretch, etc.. There's usually only one good way to find out what works and what doesn't, and that is to look at all the various settings and expiriment with (usually dozens upon dozens of) different combinations that you can try after they pop into your head.

That is, while always remembering exactly what it was that you changed after your previous attempt to find a solution. If necessary, use the camera in your phone to take pictures so that you can more easily keep track of changes you made to the settings in the TV, and record voice notes or whatever it takes you to remember the whole thing. As you know, when dealing with multiple different combinations of settings in Windows, you can just create a bunch of screenshots also in addition to this, also if necessary.

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When you do, consider to also keep an eye on the temperature sensor values from time to time. For this, use a monitoring tool software. Laptops protect themselves against overheating by starting to throttle the CPU before it runs too hot, and I know that the Ryzen 5 5625U is only a 15 watt part so, it doesn't generate that much heat, but still. Make sure that the ventilation holes aren't clogged with dust, and that nothing can restrict/block the air flowing through any of them.

I will do so, thank you!

Laptops running very warm with their cooling fan spinning at close to maximum speeds for prolonged periods of time are vacuum cleaners. They suck up dust until they are full. So, a long time before it starts to get full, if you are a bit of a handy person, open the bottom cover to carefully clean it out on the inside of the laptop.

It is about 1½ years old, running every day for about 16 hours, yes, maybe it is time to do that, thank you. I once (or more than once) used a vacuum cleaner (to avoid taking apart the Notebook) to try to suck (at least a little) dust from the backside of the Notebook through the air outlet of the fan. Maybe the suction was so strong that it somehow released the fan, I am not sure. So maybe doing that is not useful.

Some upper-class engineers have piddle poor interpretations of what should and what shouldn't be a problem. I used to work as a systems engineer on Windows 2000 for a year right after I graduated in IT so, I believe that puts me in a position where I can speak from professional experience personally. Enough to know that screens turning theirself automagically back on in the middle of the night after the user finally managed to get some sleep can, and do, present real problems especially when there is no easy way to stop the behavior or to at least stop the unwanted side effects thereof.

I mean, if the only behavior that can easily be stopped is the user's own behavior of finally managing to get some sleep, then clearly, what those design engineers have accomplished is really nothing more than just another piece of malware-like junk. I know that isn't funny. But still cracks me up good every single time. Sorry, I did it on purpose...

Maybe that is the whole point: those low-class Win engineers are coding not so good code (after all, Win is running), but bad enough code that turns on the displays at night, sound effects / other noise (respectively the code cause whatever can happen unwanted - when sometime AI will be implemented everything might happen) so the underdog engineers don't get enough sleep, are tired the next day and program even much worse code (so maybe this is a secret Win vicious circle coding principle or so). So, yes, indeed, Windows actually should be considered as trashy malware, One didn't need a virus program to detect it.

The "Just scan" setting might also be a part of the problem, I don't know. The TV probably has other settings that let you specify things like the correct display size and aspect ratio, and maybe also the horizontal/vertical alignment/stretch, etc.. There's usually only one good way to find out what works and what doesn't, and that is to look at all the various settings and expiriment with (usually dozens upon dozens of) different combinations that you can try after they pop into your head.

Yes, the combinations of settings (Win combined with TV / amp and maybe additionally to it Kodi, if not further other programs) seem to be infinite. Just the graphics settings / aspect ratio / size / stretching / alignment / monitor / resolution settings in different combinations with other settings are incredibly many. I mumbled around once and completely lost track until finally it was "Just scan" that worked. Much too complicated for me. But, yes, I will try again to find settings that work without "Just scan".

That is, while always remembering exactly what it was that you changed after your previous attempt to find a solution. If necessary, use the camera in your phone to take pictures so that you can more easily keep track of changes you made to the settings in the TV, and record voice notes or whatever it takes you to remember the whole thing. As you know, when dealing with multiple different combinations of settings in Windows, you can just create a bunch of screenshots also in addition to this, also if necessary.

Yes, thank you, a very good thought. So even managing the screenshots with the different combinations of settings for TV / Win / Kodi / etc. might take some effort.

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