Can we install 23H2 instead of 24H2 on brand new DIY computer?

Trying to learn · Apr 7, 2025

Dru2 said:
HIGHLY suggest you read the list of Known and Resolved Issues before installing as there are a number of things that can and will cause issues, and why Microsoft put a hold one a certain PC with affected hardware and software from being offered the update.

That said, I'm running 24H2 myself, and though overall I don't have issues I did have to tweak my machine for it to see my NAS because 24H2 enforces stricter rules for Shared and Networked Attached Storage (NAS) drives.

Read the list before proceeding with the install as YES, 24H2 can be a problem, and especially if you're running old gear or software.

Good luck.

Oh, that's also going to be very helpful to read! Thank you! :)

Scannerman · Apr 7, 2025

Trying to learn said:
Oh, that's also going to be very helpful to read! Thank you! :)

It will likely be very informative but I would suggest that there is little cause for concern in your case.

There will always be bugs and issues with every OS you use. Personally, I'm happy with 23H2 on this PC because it is an older PC.

Given the following specs you provided:*

OS Windows 11 Home

Computer type PC/Desktop

CPU Intel Core i5-12600K

Motherboard ASRock B760M PG Riptide

Memory Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB

Monitor(s) Displays 1

Hard Drives Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB
PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe

PSU Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt

Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120

Other Info First time DIY build.

* I would say that your are safe to go with 24H2. This doesn't mean that you won't encounter any issues, but given the fact that 23H2 will be reaching EOL (end of life) in November you're likely better off with 24H2 and risking the growing pains while Microsoft irons out the wrinkles. This really is a matter of user preference.

spapakons · Apr 7, 2025

Issues with printers should only affect upgrades from 23H2 to 24H2 because it changes the way Windows handles the USB ports. For a new installation, there should not be a problem. I would first download the official printer driver from manufacturer so I get all features and maximum quality. IF that fails, I would let Windows Update to install the printer drivers. If it works, I would block the respective update so it won't mess with my printer. I have recently clean-installed 24H2 and I noticed a boost in performance compared to my old 23H2 system. I don't know if this is because of better resource management in 24H2 or just because it is a new installation, but I like it. The only annoying bug I have seen in 24H2 is the disappear of the search icon (or seach box) when the screen resolution changes (such as when playing a full screen game) or the second monitor is (de)activated. This is because I use both Explorer Patcher and Open Shell and they conflict with each other. This is because the "classic" taskbar functions (interface) are deprecated in 24H2 and Explorer Patcher tries to emulate them. This didn't happen in 23H2 where the "classic" taskbar functions are still available. Another bug is that the custom taskbar color set in Open Shell is ignored and it reverts to the default darker hue. To remedy both bugs, I just switch from search icon to search box and back again in Explorer Patcher or Taskbar settings.

Scannerman · Apr 7, 2025

spapakons said:
Issues with printers should only affect upgrades from 23H2 to 24H2 because it changes the way Windows handles the USB ports. For a new installation, there should not be a problem. I would first download the official printer driver from manufacturer so I get all features and maximum quality. IF that fails, I would let Windows Update to install the printer drivers. If it works, I would block the respective update so it won't mess with my printer. I have recently clean-installed 24H2 and I noticed a boost in performance compared to my old 23H2 system. I don't know if this is because of better resource management in 24H2 or just because it is a new installation, but I like it. The only annoying bug I have seen in 24H2 is the disappear of the search icon (or seach box) when the screen resolution changes (such as when playing a full screen game) or the second monitor is (de)activated. This is because I use both Explorer Patcher and Open Shell and they conflict with each other. This is because the "classic" taskbar functions (interface) are deprecated in 24H2 and Explorer Patcher tries to emulate them. This didn't happen in 23H2 where the "classic" taskbar functions are still available. Another bug is that the custom taskbar color set in Open Shell is ignored and it reverts to the default darker hue. To remedy both bugs, I just switch from search icon to search box and back again in Explorer Patcher or Taskbar settings.

This is very helpful advice and I may well be using it on my 24H2 installation on my X299 platform which seems to work quite well so far. Thank you for sharing this.

spapakons · Apr 7, 2025

You are welcome. This is the purpose of the forum. To share knowledge and solve problems.

Trying to learn · Saturday at 6:21 AM

hsehestedt said:
Welcome to ElevenForum!

There a number of ways to obtain it. One easy would be to use UUP Dump as Scannerman suggested. Here is a tutorial on using UUP:

UUP Dump - Download Windows Insider ISO

UUP Dump is the most practical and easy way to get ISO images of any Insider Windows 10 or Windows 11 version, as soon as Microsoft has released a new build. UUP Dump creates a download configuration file according to your choices, downloads necessary files directly from Microsoft servers, and...

www.elevenforum.com

Note that the tutorial is geared toward downloading Insider builds but you can also download released builds.

On the main page, select Windows 11 and then 23H2.

View attachment 130493

On the next page my suggestion would be to grab the one I highlighted below. That is the latest non-preview release that includes the March 2025 updates. Make sure to select the X64 architecture.

View attachment 130494

If that is not suitable for you, let us know. I have other ways to obtain it that I can suggest, although I trust this source the most.

Hi. Finally back online here today. Been delayed getting the OS installed due to sickness. Ready to do it today, though. I was wondering, in your picture (attachment 130494) where you highlighted the latest non-preview release, it says "amd" near the end of the name. I'm guessing that might be referring to Intel's rival company AMD. If so, does it matter that our processor is Intel? Just want to be sure we could use that ISO, that it would work correctly...

spapakons · Saturday at 6:30 AM

AMD64 is the same as x64, it refers to the 64-bit version of Windows 11 for PCs. There is also an ARM64 version for some tablets.

Trying to learn · Saturday at 6:33 AM

spapakons said:
AMD64 is the same as x64, it refers to the 64-bit version of Windows 11 for PCs. There is also an ARM64 version for some tablets.

Oh, interesting. I got a bit confused for a minute, wondering if there were different ISOs depending on whether a person had AMD or Intel. (I'm such a greenhorn. lol.)

Bree · Saturday at 7:36 AM

Trying to learn said:
I got a bit confused for a minute, wondering if there were different ISOs depending on whether a person had AMD or Intel.

We all get a bit confused by that one

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.

Historically, AMD has developed and produced processors with instruction sets patterned after Intel's original designs, but with x86-64, roles were reversed: Intel found itself in the position of adopting the ISA that AMD created as an extension to Intel's own x86 processor line.

x86-64 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trying to learn · Saturday at 7:49 AM

Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.

x86-64 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh neat! Thanks! It's really interesting to learn these things. :)

MachineLanguage · Saturday at 9:35 AM

Perhaps you could list your specific printer(s) brand and model info. Do you use document or flatbed scanners also?

spapakons · Saturday at 4:47 PM

Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.

x86-64 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Intel improved on AMD64 adding more instructions. This explains why the first generation of AMD 64 CPUs is not compatible with Windows 8 64-bit or higher, while all Intel 64-bit families are. In fact I have installed Windows 11 23H2 on a first generation Intel Pentium 4 64-bit (600 series) CPU.

bobkn · Saturday at 7:09 PM

Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.

(snip)

Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.

Trying to learn · Saturday at 11:08 PM

MachineLanguage said:
Perhaps you could list your specific printer(s) brand and model info. Do you use document or flatbed scanners also?

It's an HP Smart Tank Plus 559. It prints and scans. It has already been a bit pesky, not always working quite as it should, so we're just hoping to avoid any more troubles with it for a while.

Trying to learn · Saturday at 11:09 PM

spapakons said:
Intel improved on AMD64 adding more instructions. This explains why the first generation of AMD 64 CPUs is not compatible with Windows 8 64-bit or higher, while all Intel 64-bit families are. In fact I have installed Windows 11 23H2 on a first generation Intel Pentium 4 64-bit (600 series) CPU.

Oh that's interesting. :) Thanks. Good to learn these things. :)

Trying to learn · Saturday at 11:23 PM

bobkn said:
Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.

I don't know much about these things, but your comment reminded me of a conversation my husband and I had last evening... we were looking at the new computer's UEFI settings, feeling amazed all over again about how far tech has come in the last 40 years. He was remembering how it used to be in the good ol' days when he was a boy and it was necessary to use a kind of cassette tape with his first computers. Everything was so slow that it taught him a lot of patience in life. Now there's "Fast Boot" and "overclocking"/"turbo" settings that bewilder us. lol.

For me, my first exposure was in the computer lab at the brand new junior high school. There were 3 big rows of gigantic monitors almost as big and heavy as some of the early countertop TVs, all showing green flashing DOS prompts, and we had to learn how to type on them. :) Now I can use them to have video calls with friends on the other side of the world with no time delay in the connection, as if they're right here in the room with us. It really is amazing, all these changes over the years.

spapakons · Sunday at 4:13 AM

Talking about tapes, I remember the first James Bond movie, Dr No, that the bad guy has a compact cassette with a program for some huge computer to destroy the World. James Bond managed to switch the cassette with a standard audio one containing songs. Too funny. Today's kids would never understand the joke. Also I remember that I was collecting ZX Stectrum cassette games, before even buying my first computer, because my friends had a ZX Spectrum, but eventually I bought a PC and couldn't use them! However l, some years later I had a ZX Spectrum emulator running on the PC and I could record the cassettes in audio files and finally run the games. "Better late than never", as we say in Greek.

spapakons · Sunday at 4:24 AM

bobkn said:
Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.

If I remember correctly, both Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 64-bit had the same requirements, as with Windows 10 64-bit. So they wouldn't install on first generation AMD 64 systems that lack these instructions. These were limited to either Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 8/10 32-bit. Also the standard releases of Windows 8 and 8.1 32-bit wouldn't install on an Intel Pentium 4 socket 478 Prescott (32-bit) systems. Only the Windows 8.0 Developer's Preview 32-bit (Beta version) that didn't have the PAE/NX instruction requirement. But there were patches to bypass compatibility check and install the standard version of Windows 8.0 and 8.1 32-bit on an Intel Pentium 4 socket 478 Prescott. However, every single cumulative update would replace the patched system files and Windows wouldn't boot unless you patched them again. Not really convenient, I would rather use Windows 7 32-bit.

jimbo45 · Sunday at 5:26 AM

Trying to learn said:
It's an HP Smart Tank Plus 559. It prints and scans. It has already been a bit pesky, not always working quite as it should, so we're just hoping to avoid any more troubles with it for a while.

Vuescan keeps a lot of these old scanner working !!! Even on Win11 (as do using an older OS as a VM) -- I still have an Agfa 35 MM negartve scanner == absolutely brilliant for digitising old kodachrome slides (those kodachrome slides with full colour still look wonderful when digitised and printed to large A3+ and even A2 sizes !!!! .

Don't always be in a hurry to junk old technology -- in fact these days a lot of "sophisticated people of dubious intent" are moving away from smart phones and commercial internet to communicate, plan and execute their nasty and destructive intentions.

A simple "One time" pad will defeat even the most sophisticated computer these days !!!.

Any mathematician or physicist here of any repute on the Forum should be able to prove that breaking a "One time pad" is impossible without getting into the realm of quantum physics and using hardware that's not likely to be anywhere except in the realm of Science Fiction for the next 200 years at least.

You can run W11 on almost ANY sort of hardware (64 bit CPU capable required though) provided you use dism /Apply-Image and install the boot loader. I'm not sure whether pure BIOS boots (MBR) still works though and with larger disks you'd need to have them gpt formatted - not necessarily with an EFI partition.

Cheers
jimbo

colinp · Sunday at 7:36 AM

jimbo45 said:
A simple "One time" pad will defeat even the most sophisticated computer these days !!!.

Any mathematician or physicist here of any repute on the Forum should be able to prove that breaking a "One time pad" is impossible without getting into the realm of quantum physics and using hardware that's not likely to be anywhere except in the realm of Science Fiction for the next 200 years at least.

Cheers
jimbo

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