Heads Up to Folks using a Microsoft email account, DO NOT WAIT to see if you are affected by this change

cheaterslick · Sep 17, 2024

authenticator - I don't want to use my phone number to do that. No thanks.

web password - Now that I do use and it works well in Thunderbird, but there's a slight learning curve setting it up.

britgeezer · Sep 17, 2024

Thanks for the replies. Turns out I even reserved my email address at outlook.com

lafargeotte · Sep 17, 2024

Using Thunderbird I cannot send mails, despite having correctly set up the SMTP settings.
However, no problem receiving.

cheaterslick · Sep 17, 2024

lafargeotte said:
Using Thunderbird I cannot send mails, despite having correctly set up the SMTP settings.
However, no problem receibving.

Log in through the Outlook webpage in your browser. You then have to set up two-factor authentication in your Outlook account.

Then go back to Thunderbird, delete any accounts in it. Close Thunderbird, and re-open it, and then re-add your accounts to it like they were in there for the first time, brand new. Make sure it's updated to the latest version. That's how I go mine to work.

Write down both your Outlook password(s) and your web password(s) because your going to need to enter both of them during Thunderbird setup. The set-up wizard should do the rest.

You basically now have to have two separate passwords for each Outlook account.

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

What a p-i-t-a all this

is!!!
Glad I don't have these hassles with eM Client!!!

antspants · Sep 17, 2024

it’s really not that big a deal.

The only hard part is explaining to people that it isn’t hard.

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

antspants said:
The only hard part is...

... dismissing this every fecking time...

I don't lose my login details!!!

kelper · Sep 17, 2024

BT ( British Telecom) is a major ISP in the UK. Their email accounts are all MS accounts, but this is not obvious. Hundreds of customers are losing access to their BT email addresses. BT has been warning customers for at least a year. They can still access their email with a web client but this is more limited than accessing via an app. I have always advocated for people to use email independent of their ISP. I think Gmail is hard to beat. If I change ISPs I will not be affected. Even better would be to register your own domain name - then your websites would be truly 'portable'.
My emails are synchronised across any device I have. I can access them online or offline (at least for recent ones) and Gmail has excellent filters and options to set complex rules.

TraderGary · Sep 17, 2024

Edwin said:
... dismissing this every fecking time...

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I don't lose my login details!!!

I use Outlook and have for decades. I've never seen that dialog box.

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

TraderGary said:
I use Outlook and have for decades. I've never seen that dialog box.

It's just an example.

lafargeotte · Sep 17, 2024

cheaterslick said:
Log in through the Outlook webpage in your browser. You then have to set up two-factor authentication in your Outlook account.

Then go back to Thunderbird, delete any accounts in it. Close Thunderbird, and re-open it, and then re-add your accounts to it like they were in there for the first time, brand new. Make sure it's updated to the latest version. That's how I go mine to work.

Write down both your Outlook password(s) and your web password(s) because your going to need to enter both of them during Thunderbird setup. The set-up wizard should do the rest.

You basically now have to have two separate passwords for each Outlook account.

Thanks.
I tried and I tried and I tried.
Gave up.

Forwarded all my messages to another email address!

cheaterslick · Sep 17, 2024

lafargeotte said:
Thanks.
I tried and I tried and I tried.
Gave up.

Forwarded all my messages to another email address!

If you wanna use Outlook email accounts for Thunderbird, you have to set up two factor authentication for each account.

Microsoft OAuth Authentication and Thunderbird in 2024 | Thunderbird Help

Changes to OAuth authentication for Microsoft 365 (formerly Office 365; often abbreviated as “o365”) business and academic hosted email accounts and services.

support.mozilla.org

How to use two-step verification with your Microsoft account - Microsoft Support

Get answers to some basic questions about what two-step verification is, and how to set it up and use it to help keep your Microsoft account more secure.

support.microsoft.com

Once you get it set up, you never have to worry about it again. Just make sure you keep a backup of your Thunderbird profile safe somewhere.

Profiles - Where Thunderbird stores your messages and other user data | Thunderbird Help

Thunderbird saves personal information such as messages, passwords and user preferences in a set of files called a "profile".

support.mozilla.org

Move Thunderbird data to a new computer | Thunderbird Help

How to move Thunderbird data (accounts, messages, passwords) to a new computer.

support.mozilla.org

And you can also see some visual steps below:

This one's for gmail but it's the same principle.

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It's getting used to the idea that you now need two passwords: - - -

A password for your account (the one you use to log into)

A password for the app (that Thunderbird needs to access your account)

Trust me, I had difficulty grasping that concept at first, but once I set it up it made sense.

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

cheaterslick said:
If you wanna use Outlook email accounts for Thunderbird, you have to set up two factor authentication for each account.

I didn't have to do squat!!!

cheaterslick · Sep 17, 2024

Edwin said:
I didn't have to do squat!!!

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I had to set up two factor authentication in Outlook. Otherwise I ran into the same problems as @lafargeotte up above.

Maybe you got lucky. Or maybe Microsoft hasn't caught up to your email account, yet.

antspants · Sep 17, 2024

Edwin said:
I didn't have to do squat!!!

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So you’re saying, in your Microsoft account, every one of these is OFF and doesn’t say “up to date” on any of them?

(Random image)

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

cheaterslick said:
Maybe you got lucky. Or maybe Microsoft hasn't caught up to your email account, yet.

Perhaps. Beats me!

antspants said:
So you’re saying, in your Microsoft account, every one of these is OFF and doesn’t say “up to date” on any of them?

Hell if I know! I just added the email and I can send and receive messages!

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

antspants said:
(Random image)

Where do you find that info?

antspants · Sep 17, 2024

Edwin said:
Perhaps. Beats me!

Hell if I know! I just added the email and I can send and receive messages!

Should show online in your MS Account under “Security”
eM client & Thinderbird has the correct authentication that Microsoft is insisting on, based on what I have read, it gets a pass.

antspants · Sep 17, 2024

Edwin said:
Where do you find that info?

I believe

Select your avatar in the top right, then select View account.
Under Security info select Update info.

or it will state so on the security page without having to click update.

Edwin · Sep 17, 2024

antspants said:
So you’re saying, in your Microsoft account, every one of these is OFF and doesn’t say “up to date” on any of them?

Oh yeah! I remember now, I did have to create a recovery email..., just in case I got stupid and threw my password into the fireplace!!! :woozy:

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