I bought an 8Tb disk on AliExpress for 21 dollars and I will explain the result to you.

zequion · Nov 4, 2023

I have been to 3 mobile phone stores to ask them to tell me the size of the microSD memory but they say that they do not have the adapter for the PC and they do not want to put it in a mobile phone.

jimbo45 · Nov 4, 2023

Almighty1 said:
Not sure what country you are in but not sure if there are laws on the credit card where you can dispute the charge with the credit card issuing bank directly because once it goes through the bank, the bank decides and PayPal cannot make their own decisions on the outcome of the case.
Also, being Chinese in the USA, I have heard China does offer social security and their retirement age is 45, not sure how true it is though.

That's true but I think the price has to be over €50 or equivalent where you are. That's probably why these scammers keep the price low so they won't get zillions of refund notes.

Cheers
jimbo

pparks1 · Nov 4, 2023

zequion said:
It's not that they offer an 8TB drive for $21, it's that all the ones they offer are scams. In addition, scammers write product reviews posing as customers and speak favorably, confusing the buyer. The fraud is of the greatest magnitude and no one does anything.

Buyer has some responsibility here. As soon as I see an 8TB drive for $21, I'm done. You could have 1 million 5 star reviews and not a zero complaint and I wouldn't send them a single dollar.

I'm sorry you got scammed, just be happy it was only $21. Lesson learned.

Almighty1 · Nov 4, 2023

jimbo45 said:
That's true but I think the price has to be over €50 or equivalent where you are. That's probably why these scammers keep the price low so they won't get zillions of refund notes.

Cheers
jimbo

Depends, in the U.S. depends on the bank. Most banks will give a permanent instant credit for anything $9.99 or less. Some banks like Citi will credit $75.00 permanent credit without a investigation. This is under the U.S. Federal Fair Credit Billing Act which is also known as the Truth and Lending Act Regulation Z so in the U.S., low prices will get the consumer a credit and the scammer will not even get a charge back meaning both the selling side and their banks actually keeps the money while the credit card users bank loses money as they will not investigate for lower priced transactions as disputes is a expensive process. So in the U.S. atleast, I would take the risk if it was $9.99 and under because I know I will get the money back but anything more than that and it's higher risk as all the seller has to prove is they shipped the merchandise since it is hard to prove what was shipped and what you actually received unless soneone video taped everythng from the time sent to receive. $50 maximum liability in the US is more for unauthorized/fraudulent transaction which has been changed to $0 for the credit card processing networks. And they don't investigate fraudulent transactions totalling $3,000 and under.

zequion · Nov 5, 2023

Here in Spain I'm looking at Wallapop (I don't know if you know it), which is a website where people sell their used products, and there are people reselling the same model of disk that I bought.

I have asked one of those people and she says that her 8Tb disk cost her 38 euros and that she sells it for 15 because it is not suitable for the Ps5. I have asked her if the disk works well and she says yes.

There are other people who resell it for 60 euros and one of them says that he gets them so cheap because his uncle knows people in China. It is a chain of scams. They are buying fake products purchased from China that look like attractive products and reselling them to other people.

antspants · Nov 5, 2023

zequion said:
There are other people who resell it for 60 euros and one of them says that he gets them so cheap because his uncle knows people in China. It is a chain of scams. They are buying fake products purchased from China that look like attractive products and reselling them to other people.

Almost everyone knows it’s a scam, we warned you before you bought it that these things are a scam, we basically told you Do Not Buy These… and you went ahead and bought it anyway. What’s your point about all this? That people can be scammers? That some people wont take any advice? Yes, that’s right.
Any compassion I offered would be redundant on account that I was a part of the group who tried to warn, almost plead with you not to go ahead with a purchase.

antspants · Nov 5, 2023

I know, I’m being incredibly harsh, tough love, driving the lesson home would be my objective.

Spartan · Nov 5, 2023

zequion said:
I bought an 8Tb disk on AliExpress for 21 dollars and I will explain the result to you.
I bought this disk at: https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005005075517208.html
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The disk took a week to arrive from China to Spain and I paid for it using Paypal. I was able to copy a maximum of 15Gb before the drive went offline. I have tried to open it to see what is inside but it is impossible because it is designed so that you cannot see inside. There are no screws and there is only a tiny hole through which I have inserted a specialized tool to be able to pull and try to slide the contents out, but pulling hard I have not achieved anything.

I have opened a dispute on Paypal so that they do not get paid and the result is that the Chinese company demands that the product be returned to China to return the money.

Then Paypal sent me a message saying that I am the one who has to pay the return costs and I have to present a return number, indicate the name of the courier company and provide an image of a receipt. Once it is proven that the product has arrived at the manufacturer in China, that is when they would refund my money.

Paypal gives me a deadline to provide proof before paying the manufacturer in full.

I have spoken with a large courier company that is next to my house and they have told me that they ship everywhere except China due to the difficulty of customs procedures and they have told me that returning the product would be more expensive than the amount of the product.

Reading a little on the internet, people say that they returned the product at their own expense but the manufacturer did not assume that it had arrived and they lost the product, the money for the product and the return.

So the result is that the Chinese company keeps 100% of the money for a product that does not work and is surely a scam. I wouldn't be surprised to find a 16Gb MicroSd memory inside.

That is, if you buy on AliExpress from a Chinese company and the product does not work, you have to lose money. So the Chinese company sends garbage and you keep it and nobody does anything. The police do not rush into your business to check what you are selling.

I won't buy anything in China again.

and you really thought that is real? You can't get an 8TB HDD for that price, let alone an SSD. The product itself is screaming "I am a scam, please buy me"

BrianInEngland · Nov 5, 2023

People do generalize about China, but we don't see fake SSDs from the US, EU, UK or India flooding the market...
Things like this do put China in a bad light, especially when no one seems willing or able to stop them. Amazon even have sponsored links to the fake products

PvtJohnTowle · Nov 5, 2023

A 16GB external SSD For $19.26 AUD , no it couldn't be a scam /S

If it looks too good to be true , it probably is.

They have detected that I am stupid

No just gullible

WAI · Nov 5, 2023

PvtJohnTowle said:
A 16GB external SSD For $19.26 AUD , no it couldn't be a scam

Lmao 16GB? I could buy a 256gb ssd for that

zequion · Nov 5, 2023

The scammers from the Chinese company do not hide and respond with a mocking tone.
If I search for "SSD" on Google and AliExpress and 42 pages appear with fake products with many favorable reviews, am I to blame for having purchased if I have been deceived?

I am in the dispute on Paypal and I have told the Chinese company that I know for sure that it is a scam and that I am going to call the authorities and the company responds in a mocking tone saying that I have to return their product to China if I want to recover the money and that "they have done everything they could".

The scammers do not hide, since no one does anything they know they go unpunished and they are receiving money from all over the world in exchange for rubbish.

He escrito a la embajada china en España y al consulado chino en Barcelona explicando toda la situación y enviando fotos. Hasta ahora nadie ha respondido. ¿No conocen la situación? No, lo saben perfectamente, pero no hacen nada por impedirlo. Posiblemente, si envían a la policía china a luchar contra la corrupción, se encontrarán con que muchas personas importantes en China también son corruptas y reaccionarán haciendo llamadas y dejando en el paro a cualquiera que intente arreglar la situación. Entonces nadie hace nada y siguen con sus cargos de gente importante.

Winuser · Nov 5, 2023

zequion said:
If I search for "SSD" on Google and AliExpress and 42 pages appear with fake products with many favorable reviews, am I to blame for having purchased if I have been deceived?

If you take the time to relax and let things settle down, I think you will be able to see more clearly and be able to answer your own question.

antspants · Nov 5, 2023

zequion said:
... am I to blame for having purchased if I have been deceived?

I’ll say it again. We warned you not to buy these offerings.
Yes it is wrong that companies set out to purposely deceive people.
If many people warn you in a previous post before you make the purchase, DON”T BUY THIS! but you purchase anyway, then yes, quite simply you are to blame. Take responsibility for your own actions. Try and get past this, it is a lesson learned. Be grateful it wasn’t a car or something expensive. And believe it or not, I still feel bad for you.

Almighty1 · Nov 6, 2023

antspants said:
I’ll say it again. We warned you not to buy these offerings.
Yes it is wrong that companies set out to purposely deceive people.
If many people warn you in a previous post before you make the purchase, DON”T BUY THIS! but you purchase anyway, then yes, quite simply you are to blame. Take responsibility for your own actions. Try and get past this, it is a lesson learned. Be grateful it wasn’t a car or something expensive. And believe it or not, I still feel bad for you.

Yes, despite the warnings, one still proceeds, that means they proceeded at their own risk and should assume all liabilities as this basically goes back to the ~~french~~ latin terminology used even in the us, caveat emptor. I guess we all need to just say we have a bridge to sell too as you will know there will be a taker.

Winuser · Nov 7, 2023

Almighty1 said:
the french terminology used even in the us, caveat emptor

I think it's latin.

Almighty1 · Nov 7, 2023

Winuser said:
I think it's latin.

Kept thinking it was french because that was how people described it back in the 1980s online, good to know and you are right!

antspants · Nov 7, 2023

It’s all Greek to me.

pparks1 · Nov 7, 2023

zequion said:
The scammers from the Chinese company do not hide and respond with a mocking tone.
If I search for "SSD" on Google and AliExpress and 42 pages appear with fake products with many favorable reviews, am I to blame for having purchased if I have been deceived?

Yeah, you are to blame. Common sense would tell nearly anyone this isn't real. People on this forum told you it wasn't real. Anybody who works around computers should know this isn't real. So, unless you were somebody's grandmother buying something you knew absolutely nothing about, you got yourself bamboozled.

mikekk2118 · May 25, 2024

This is the sleazy practice of ALL online sites now. Amazon being the worst. They pull recharging you for items you return even when you follow their return procedure perfectly and get a reciept for the return. They play musical excuses. If they tell you one thing and you prove thats a lie, they meant something else. No one helps either. Not BBB, AG, FTC, FCC....SPCA..........LOLOL Funny though, these sites dont hold themselves responsible for the products they post ans sell. I feel for you. I think the philosophy now is they sell cheap junk, so nobody should complain getting ripped off a few bucks. Online shopping is a scam

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