I rarely use incremental backups any more.


Sure! When using the same physical disk, the "Active Time" for that disk in TaskMgr went way up over 95% (which is what should happen) and the disk READ bandwidth varied between 500mB/s and 1.2gB/s with the WRITE bandwidth doing the same types of things.

This is what I thought would happen if you were using the same device for SOURCE & TARGET. Also, the CPU utilization drops quite a bit as the single storage device becomes the more limiting factor.

This is not a Hasleo issue (it only knows about partitions, doesn't care where they're located). Why Macrium does a better job... no idea.
Hi there
actually the single storage device is only a huge liability on classical spinners since there's physical movement to get to the correct physical cluster address -- although good buffering and a large internal fast cache can speed this up as the I/O can be queued in memory and written at the most opportune point (if the OS is properly designed of course !!).

With things like SSD's and Nvme's the data structure addressing is essentially a 2-D array just like RAM and the computer can simultaneously write to as many addresses in the array as the device, the OS and the application allows.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Hi there
actually the single storage device is only a huge liability on classical spinners since there's physical movement to get to the correct physical cluster address -- although good buffering and a large internal fast cache can speed this up as the I/O can be queued in memory and written at the most opportune point (if the OS is properly designed of course !!).

With things like SSD's and Nvme's the data structure addressing is essentially a 2-D array just like RAM and the computer can simultaneously write to as many addresses in the array as the device, the OS and the application allows.

Cheers
jimbo
Sigh who is talking about hdds?

Your statement about NVMEs is just not accurate.

Hasleo:

Backup from 1 NVME to 2nd NVME - 1 minute.

Backup from partition on nvme to 2nd partition on same nvme - 2+ minutes.
 

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Sigh who is talking about hdds?

Your statement about NVMEs is just not accurate.

Hasleo:

Backup from 1 NVME to 2nd NVME - 1 minute.

Backup from partition on nvme to 2nd partition on same nvme - 2+ minutes.
If you are backing up that fast you must not be backing up much data. It must be less than 256GB. Most people still back up to external USB connected HDDs. That is going to take a long time.

Most of my computers have one or more 1 or 2 TB SSDs. I usually do backups overnight. I do full disk backups once a week (1 full + 3 incremental). I back up my most important data once a day (1 full + 3 incremental).

Most of my computers have a dedicated USB connected SATA HDD for backups. The only exception is my main laptop which I backup over WiFi to my main desktop which has a USB connected SATA HDD. Note that for it WiFi is about 600-800Mbps.

I have a USB connected SDD for main laptop to occasionally archive some of its data. Even it is not real fast.
 

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Sigh who is talking about hdds?

Your statement about NVMEs is just not accurate.

Hasleo:

Backup from 1 NVME to 2nd NVME - 1 minute.

Backup from partition on nvme to 2nd partition on same nvme - 2+ minutes.
What's incorrect about my statement on NVME's. In any case if an app is using direct i/o then it can use as many or as few threads the CPU is capable of plus of course the amount of simultaneous accesses the I/O device can handle. If backing up / cloning from NVME1 to NVME2 takes around 1 min or so - there's either minimal data to backup or you have a super fast type of server farm computer with incredibly fast SAS etc type of connections.

Looking at the device specs of maximum data transfer rates (and it's usually not possible to drive that data rate continuously - you should be able to estimate the actual number of bytes read and written in 1 min -- and it's not that large on typical NVME devices. The problem also with a single device isn't the device per se -- it's the number of paths the I/O subsystem has to the device and whether the device allows both simulataneous / concurrent read and write accesses. With two devices one can be reading while the other writing regardless of the need for concurrent read / write databases.

I'd hate to be in an airline queue buying tickets if the DB didn't have concurrent read / write accesses!!. (Obviously there will be some record level locking - but the principle is read / write concurrent access.

As for spinners / HDD's --large capacity HDD's make for very useful large scale backup / archive of data -- e.g say you have over 6,000 - 9,000 CD's all flac ripped -- I doubt if I could even find many of those old CD's again -- long since "out of release". Playing those doesn't need huge mega fast devices. A 14TB 7200 RPM HDD is stillfor domestic users per byte the cheapest way of archiving / backing up this type and sheer volume of data -- although I agree that's a question for another thread.

@MisterEd

You can probably speed up Wifi xfer if you can ensure xfer is working at FULL duplex rather than HALF duplex if your adapter has that option available.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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What's incorrect about my statement on NVME's. In any case if an app is using direct i/o then it can use as many or as few threads the CPU is capable of plus of course the amount of simultaneous accesses the I/O device can handle. If backing up / cloning from NVME1 to NVME2 takes around 1 min or so - there's either minimal data to backup or you have a super fast type of server farm computer with incredibly fast SAS etc type of connections.

Looking at the device specs of maximum data transfer rates (and it's usually not possible to drive that data rate continuously - you should be able to estimate the actual number of bytes read and written in 1 min -- and it's not that large on typical NVME devices. The problem also with a single device isn't the device per se -- it's the number of paths the I/O subsystem has to the device and whether the device allows both simulataneous / concurrent read and write accesses. With two devices one can be reading while the other writing regardless of the need for concurrent read / write databases.

I'd hate to be in an airline queue buying tickets if the DB didn't have concurrent read / write accesses!!. (Obviously there will be some record level locking - but the principle is read / write concurrent access.

As for spinners / HDD's --large capacity HDD's make for very useful large scale backup / archive of data -- e.g say you have over 6,000 - 9,000 CD's all flac ripped -- I doubt if I could even find many of those old CD's again -- long since "out of release". Playing those doesn't need huge mega fast devices. A 14TB 7200 RPM HDD is stillfor domestic users per byte the cheapest way of archiving / backing up this type and sheer volume of data -- although I agree that's a question for another thread.

@MisterEd

You can probably speed up Wifi xfer if you can ensure xfer is working at FULL duplex rather than HALF duplex if your adapter has that option available.

Cheers
jimbo
Sigh your replies are so off topic. This thread was about whether people use incremental (or implied differential) backups, and I got into a an interesting dialogue about Hasleo backups up much more slowly to same drive rather than to a second drive but Macrium Reflect is much faster than Hasleo to sane drive on new pc which is contrary to previous experience, and we were trying to undestand why.
 

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    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
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    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
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    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
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    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
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