Solved i7 or i9?

abactuon · Sep 15, 2024

English tea costs less in the United States than in England. This is outrageous.

bobkn · Sep 16, 2024

abactuon said:
English tea costs less in the United States than in England. This is outrageous.

Dunno if it's still true, but some years ago Scotch whiskey (whisky in the UK) was cheaper in the US than in Scotland.

More important than tea, to some of us.

hdmi · Sep 16, 2024

There exists no such thing as a "future proof CPU". They age like milk so, as a general rule, you only pay the hefty price premium if you really need/want to. A lot also depends on what's your own personal definition of "hefty". Despite that this thread isn't about laptops, let me please elaborate on that by using this as an example of what the definition could be like. Someone in this thread bought a laptop with a CPU (Intel Core Ultra 9 185H) that, on average, performs between 2 and 3 percent slower than mine (Intel Core i7-13650HX). If you don't care about the NPU (Neural Processing Unit) that's in the Core Ultra, then the biggest differences between these two laptop CPUs from Intel besides power efficiency is going to be the cost. On amazon.com right now the Dell XPS 16 9640 from 2024 with a Core Ultra 9 185H and 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and RTX 4060 costs a whopping $2799 so, even if we could assume that the guy who bought it with an RTX 4070 instead of an RTX 4060 got it for that price, it's still hyper expensive considering the fact that my laptop can be had for just $1099.99 on there although the deal will expire in 20 minutes.

Catnip · Sep 16, 2024

hdmi said:
There exists no such thing as a "future proof CPU".

While I agree, I generally tend to keep my PCs for about five years before replacement. Unless MS pulls another fast one with device requirements as they did with Win 11, I should be able to keep my new PC for that long. That's what I meant by future proofing.

As for my new CPU, I think I am going to go with the i9. What the heck, I might as well have some blistering horsepower. Maybe I'll even find a neat game that I like and actually be able to play it with the new system. You never know. But at least all of my engineering software will thank me.

Marking this as solved. Thanks for the comments everyone.

TraderGary · Sep 16, 2024

hdmi said:
There exists no such thing as a "future proof CPU". They age like milk so, as a general rule, you only pay the hefty price premium if you really need/want to. A lot also depends on what's your own personal definition of "hefty". Despite that this thread isn't about laptops, let me please elaborate on that by using this as an example of what the definition could be like. Someone in this thread bought a laptop with a CPU (Intel Core Ultra 9 185H) that, on average, performs between 2 and 3 percent slower than mine (Intel Core i7-13650HX). If you don't care about the NPU (Neural Processing Unit) that's in the Core Ultra, then the biggest differences between these two laptop CPUs from Intel besides power efficiency is going to be the cost. On amazon.com right now the Dell XPS 16 9640 from 2024 with a Core Ultra 9 185H and 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and RTX 4060 costs a whopping $2799 so, even if we could assume that the guy who bought it with an RTX 4070 instead of an RTX 4060 got it for that price, it's still hyper expensive considering the fact that my laptop can be had for just $1099.99 on there although the deal will expire in 20 minutes.

Thankfully, price isn't important to me. What was important was the stunning 16.3" 4K+ OLED color accurate screen (for Photoshop/Lightroom), 12+ hours of battery life from the Core Ultra 9, and impressive sound quality (I was a piano performance major in college). I really do get the quality I paid for. (It was actually $3,449 USD.)

cereberus · Sep 16, 2024

abactuon said:
English tea costs less in the United States than in England. This is outrageous.

Yeah but it is crap tea from Liptons, not like quality Twinings English Breakfast Tea.

Dru2 · Sep 16, 2024

TraderGary said:
Thankfully, price isn't important to me. What was important was the stunning 16.3" 4K+ OLED color accurate screen (for Photoshop/Lightroom), 12+ hours of battery life from the Core Ultra 9, and impressive sound quality (I was a piano performance major in college). I really do get the quality I paid for. (It was actually $3,449 USD.)

Important to me is small and light and why I got a Lenovo 14-inch 2.8K OLED 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) screen, Intel Core Ultra 65U with graphics. 1TB SSD, 32gig of RAM. Laptop weighs 2.7 pounds. Battery claim is 19 hours, but per my use/settings is more like 5 hours real world use. $1K less.

For anything heavy, that's what the desktop is for - gaming, photo editing, work. OneDrive being the link between both

archfoto · Sep 16, 2024

Just like money, and horsepower, you can never have enough CPU. I have owned several i7 desktops, and this last time, I bought an i9, 12th generation, as opposed to an i7, 13th generation, processor which was available at around the same price. I'm glad I did. From what I have read on this forum, there seems to be problem with the 13th and 14th generation Intel chips, which were new when I purchased my last computer. Plus, there is a premium cost to getting the newest and greatest piece of electronics, which will be last year's stuff, next year!
My current i9 is way quicker than any of my old i7s, and has been able to handle stuff none of them could. Add enough memory, and a powerful video card, and it is amazing! I am able to run and edit 4K video at 60 fps in real time!

TraderGary · Sep 16, 2024

Dru2 said:
Important to me is small and light and why I got a Lenovo 14-inch 2.8K OLED 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) screen, Intel Core Ultra 65U with graphics. 1TB SSD, 32gig of RAM. Laptop weighs 2.7 pounds. Battery claim is 19 hours, but per my use/settings is more like 5 hours real world use. $1K less.

For anything heavy, that's what the desktop is for - gaming, photo editing, work. OneDrive being the link between both

Yes, my XPS 16 9640 weighs a whopping 4.8 pounds. But I've been practicing with my barbells, and I'm now able to lift the 4.8 pounds quite easily!

TraderGary · Sep 16, 2024

Dru2 said:
Important to me is small and light and why I got a Lenovo 14-inch 2.8K OLED 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) screen, Intel Core Ultra 65U with graphics. 1TB SSD, 32gig of RAM. Laptop weighs 2.7 pounds. Battery claim is 19 hours, but per my use/settings is more like 5 hours real world use. $1K less.

For anything heavy, that's what the desktop is for - gaming, photo editing, work. OneDrive being the link between both

And yes, after using OneDrive for over 15 years, I wouldn't be without my OneDrive link between all my devices!

pparks1 · Sep 16, 2024

hdmi said:
There exists no such thing as a "future proof CPU".

I strongly dislike the term, "future proofing". I call it future hoping. I hope that by spending more money than I have to, that it will last even longer before it's obsolete. But often times, even if you buy something like a top-end CPU....2 or 3 generations later and middle of the road is outperforming your top-end purchase.

TraderGary said:
Thankfully, price isn't important to me. What was important was the stunning 16.3" 4K+ OLED color accurate screen (for Photoshop/Lightroom), 12+ hours of battery life from the Core Ultra 9, and impressive sound quality (I was a piano performance major in college). I really do get the quality I paid for. (It was actually $3,449 USD.)

Battery life is a huge thing for a laptop. I have a work laptop with a core i9 (i9-10885H), and I have to carry a stupid power brick with me everywhere I go because I can only get like 2-3 hours out of this stupid thing. I would have happily taken a middle of the road Core i5 and had 2x-3x the battery life. i don't need CPU horsepower to do my job.

I bet that screen is awesome. It's one thing I have always appreciated about any of my Apple stuff. Their displays are fantastic.

archfoto said:
Just like money, and horsepower, you can never have enough CPU.

Somebody will always pipe up and disagree. That will be me. Horsepower to me is pretty much meaningless, I want miles per gallon more than anything else. For your needs, maybe horsepower is more important, for my needs....unncessary.

archfoto said:
Plus, there is a premium cost to getting the newest and greatest piece of electronics, which will be last year's stuff, next year!

Agreed, I always buy a tier or 2 down from the top for this very reason. No matter what, it's going to be slower than stuff in the future. Might as well buy something today, enjoy it for a few years and get something new down the road.

Roadrunr · Sep 16, 2024

MrPig said:
When you say CAD software what type, mechanical, electronic, physics?

Check the software requirements then plan the system.

If you plan on large complex mechanical assemblies the GPU will be the bottleneck, professional cards have the optimised drivers & more ram to cope with these scenarios. The older Ampere cards are coming down in price but highly rated.
Multi-core CPU's are recommended but some packages make limited use of them. Check the package requirements before flinging the ££'s.

Agreed. Many different types of CAD. For what I do (microstation, AutoCAD and Revit plus energy models), an 8700k with 32gb ram is adequate but we are upgrading to 14700's (non-K) because it's time. At home (where I run the same things, I went with a 9700x). If you're running finite element analysis I could see wanting/needing something beefier.

Personally, if what you're running needs that much, I'd go with a 9950X.

Dru2 · Sep 16, 2024

TraderGary said:
Yes, my XPS 16 9640 weighs a whopping 4.8 pounds. But I've been practicing with my barbells, and I'm now able to lift the 4.8 pounds quite easily!

I practice with barbells too, but it isn't for laptop use

For what I need and do a 14-inch is perfect. But I understand my needs and wishes may not be those of others

TraderGary · Sep 16, 2024

Back in '92 I had a Compaq "portable" 486 that weighed 17 pounds. I carried that thing through many airports and thought it was really cool to have a "portable" computer!

Josey Wales · Sep 16, 2024

TraderGary said:
Back in '92 I had a Compaq "portable" 486 that weighed 17 pounds. I carried that thing through many airports and thought it was really cool to have a "portable" computer!

I have a Panasonic Toughbook that weighs about the same.

Dru2 · Sep 16, 2024

TraderGary said:
Back in '92 I had a Compaq "portable" 486 that weighed 17 pounds. I carried that thing through many airports and thought it was really cool to have a "portable" computer!

I get it.

My first laptop was in 2013, Asus Zenbook Prime UX31A 14-inch Ultrabook, i7-3517U, 4gig of RAM; 1TB SSD. Weighed 2.8 pounds

BamaInArk · Sep 16, 2024

OP have you considered building a newer AMD system vs an Intel one? The Ryzen 7950x might be a better option if it's Cores you need.

hdmi · Sep 16, 2024

pparks1 said:
I strongly dislike the term, "future proofing". I call it future hoping. I hope that by spending more money than I have to, that it will last even longer before it's obsolete. But often times, even if you buy something like a top-end CPU....2 or 3 generations later and middle of the road is outperforming your top-end purchase.

Exactly. If a laptop lasts me more than 3 years, then good. But you won't see me pay extra money to increase the likelihood of that significantly or well, if the chassis were made from some kind of mysterious germanium-tellurium-palladium alloy that they had recovered from the Roswell weather balloon crash site, then who knows maybe I would. lol

Catnip · Sep 17, 2024

BamaInArk said:
OP have you considered building a newer AMD system vs an Intel one? The Ryzen 7950x might be a better option if it's Cores you need.

I gave it some thought, and I don't mind the AMD offerings. I have had an AMD system of some sort for about 15 years. I have just found through personal experience that the Intel PCs at work greatly outperform the AMD ones in real world applications, even with models which are supposed to be equivalent. This is why I am thinking of Intel this time.

cereberus · Sep 17, 2024

TraderGary said:
Back in '92 I had a Compaq "portable" 486 that weighed 17 pounds. I carried that thing through many airports and thought it was really cool to have a "portable" computer!

I had one and I was at Ontario airport, and I dropped it at the top of a massive escalator and looked in horror as it tumbled all the way to the bottom. Turned it on and worked fine - they were robust for sure!

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