Insider KB5029336 Windows 11 Insider Beta 22621.2191 and 22631.2191 - Aug. 10

JGToy · Aug 12, 2023

@Almighty1

To get this like yours:

I have to go through Settings and then More Bluetooth Settings.

Almighty1 · Aug 12, 2023

JGToy said:
Device Manager shows this:-

View attachment 67634
Much, much more simple than yours

Yours is different because normally, Bluetooth just opens the "Bluetooth & device" section which also includes Printers and other devices that are non-bluetooth of the Windows Settings App, the same one where there is Windows Update. Yours is simpler because your Bluetooth Device is generic and not one of the branded which usually is Intel or Qualcomm/Atheros as can be seen in the Device Manager. So it is yours is simpler, your Bluetooth settings is opening up something that is proprietary and not how it is officially in both Windows 10 and 11 as it even mentions in official Microsoft Support articles:

Turn Bluetooth on or off in Windows - Microsoft Support

Learn the step for turning Bluetooth on or off in Windows using the Settings app, quick settings, and action center.

support.microsoft.com

and this forum's tutorials for that matter:

Enable or Disable Bluetooth in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to enable or disable the ability to turn on Bluetooth for all users n Windows 11 and Windows 10. Bluetooth is a short range wireless technology which enables wireless data transmission between two Bluetooth enabled devices located nearby each other. Reference...

www.elevenforum.com

which might explain why your Bluetooth icon in the system tray is non-standard as your logo is also not the official bluetooth logo as while it has the B and H, it's lacking the blue background which has been the official Bluetooth logo since the beginning, which probably means your bluetooth adapter did not officially license the technology.

This article actually explains it better:

Bluetooth and devices Settings in Windows 11

Learn how to use Bluetooth, Printers & scanners, Your Phone, Cameras, Mouse, Touchpad, Pen & Windows Ink, AutoPlay, and USB in Windows 11.

www.thewindowsclub.com

Your settings page reminds me of the Bluetooth USB adapters from the early 2000's which I used in Windows XP 32bit where the BT icon comes from a rundll32.exe process that actually calls up a app provided by the bluetooth driver stack before Windows had bluetooth settings built into the OS. That is the same reason even if everyone else's Blue background BT icon no longer shows up in system tray, you will never have the problem because your BT settings comes from a separate app so even when Explorer crashes, all you need to do is kill and restart the process and you will see the BT icon again while everyone else won't. The only bad thing is if the app somehow no longer works and there is no update, you will never get BT working again.

kiwisteve · Aug 12, 2023

JGToy said:
@PurSpyk!!
@kiwisteve
Just right click on the Bluetooth icon and chose "Show Bluetooth Devices" as below.

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Mine has the "traditional" settings. I see that your BT icon is the "non-blue" one. Perhaps that is a contributing factor.

Almighty1 · Aug 12, 2023

JGToy said:
@Almighty1

To get this like yours:

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I have to go through Settings and then More Bluetooth Settings.

That's how I got to mines too as it's part of the More Bluetooth Settings from the Settings and basically opens something from the old Control Panel. Your settings is opening up a proprietery dialogue while everyone else including mines is opening up the Windows Settings app and going to the Bluetooth and devices section which covers both bluetooth and non-bluetooth wifi devices.

Almighty1 · Aug 12, 2023

kiwisteve said:
Mine has the "traditional" settings. I see that your BT icon is the "non-blue" one. Perhaps that is a contributing factor.

I think everyone else in general in Device Manager has a Bluetooth adapter that is from a name brand like Intel, Qualcomm/Atheros while his is a Generic with no name brand and there is never a official BT icon that does not have the blue background as the icon itself.

Origin of the Name | Bluetooth® Technology Website

The story behind how Bluetooth® technology got its name We all recognize the "Bluetooth" brand, but we take for granted its significance and how much it impacts our lives.

www.bluetooth.com

History and Origin of the Name Bluetooth and its Logo

We all have used Bluetooth Technology, and its logo is also quite well known. However, do you know the origin of the word Bluetooth, and the reason…

www.lexology.com

JGToy · Aug 12, 2023

kiwisteve said:
Mine has the "traditional" settings. I see that your BT icon is the "non-blue" one. Perhaps that is a contributing factor.

Perhaps it is! :thumbsup:

waltc · Aug 13, 2023

Not using a laptop, myself, but I'd advise anyone having problems with these builds to go into Group Policy and set it to never allow Windows to update device drivers. It's what I've had set for years, and is likely why the problems I experience are very few and far in-between. Also, the setting sticks in every updated build provided you upgrade instead of fresh install--no need to repeat it every time you install newer builds. I get my drivers from the respective device manufacturers of my hardware--download and install them manually from the 'net. Years ago, before I wised up and set that in Group Policy, I had a lot of problems with builds that were mostly issues with Windows replacing my device drivers automatically. Most critical, of course, are your GPU drivers--which definitely should come from the laptop manufacturer, Win10/11, 64-bit GPU driver files. (32-bit systems might in themselves be problematic--I can't speak to that, as I haven't done 32-bits in many years.) Green/blue screens of death and build upgrades that would stick at a certain percentage and fail to install, were regular occurrences that ceased (save for the rare exception) after I killed Windows automatically updating my device drivers in Group Policy.

Laptop owners should set that in GP, and so should desktop system owners, and acquire their device drivers from the manufacturers of their laptops--desktops should go to the GPU manufacturer's sites, eg, nVidia, AMD, etc. Most laptops are custom devices that require custom device drivers only available from the laptop manufacturer. BTW, the only way to do it properly is inside Group Policy--doing it elsewhere in the OS doesn't work, apparently.

How to prevent drivers from installing automatically on Windows 11

If you don't want Windows Update detecting and installing drivers automatically, you can disable the feature with these instructions.

www.windowscentral.com

HRPuffnstuff · Aug 13, 2023

I get a GSOD if I try to run Time Spy on my desktop but my laptop runs it just fine with this update. Both are running the same nvidia driver version.

Elegast · Aug 13, 2023

Elegast said:
Hey, no one else got this disapearing start menu when typing in something to search and do the know what to do about it?

It only happens when you search 2 times in a row

kiwisteve · Aug 13, 2023

Elegast said:
It only happens when you search 2 times in a row

Mine's ok, can do many consecutive searches, Start Menu persists.

Almighty1 · Aug 13, 2023

waltc said:
Not using a laptop, myself, but I'd advise anyone having problems with these builds to go into Group Policy and set it to never allow Windows to update device drivers. It's what I've had set for years, and is likely why the problems I experience are very few and far in-between. Also, the setting sticks in every updated build provided you upgrade instead of fresh install--no need to repeat it every time you install newer builds. I get my drivers from the respective device manufacturers of my hardware--download and install them manually from the 'net. Years ago, before I wised up and set that in Group Policy, I had a lot of problems with builds that were mostly issues with Windows replacing my device drivers automatically. Most critical, of course, are your GPU drivers--which definitely should come from the laptop manufacturer, Win10/11, 64-bit GPU driver files. (32-bit systems might in themselves be problematic--I can't speak to that, as I haven't done 32-bits in many years.) Green/blue screens of death and build upgrades that would stick at a certain percentage and fail to install, were regular occurrences that ceased (save for the rare exception) after I killed Windows automatically updating my device drivers in Group Policy.

Laptop owners should set that in GP, and so should desktop system owners, and acquire their device drivers from the manufacturers of their laptops--desktops should go to the GPU manufacturer's sites, eg, nVidia, AMD, etc. Most laptops are custom devices that require custom device drivers only available from the laptop manufacturer. BTW, the only way to do it properly is inside Group Policy--doing it elsewhere in the OS doesn't work, apparently.

How to prevent drivers from installing automatically on Windows 11

If you don't want Windows Update detecting and installing drivers automatically, you can disable the feature with these instructions.

www.windowscentral.com

That advice might be good or bad because on my Dell XPS 15 9570 for example, the latest Intel video driver is in the 27.x.x.x which means it's WDDM 2.7, while Windows 11 would prefer WDDM 3.0/3.1 drivers. So it depends. Also, the 27.x.x.x drivers has a well known issue where dwm.exe had a major resource leak that wasn't fixed until in the newer 30 or 31 series drivers as can be seen here:

BUG: dwm.exe uses memory leakage with Intel HD Graphics 630

Hi, dwm.exe (Desktop-Window Manager) uses high memory with Intel Intel HD Graphics 630. This problem has been reported before: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/desktop-windows-manager-dwm-memory-leakage-in/c2968fb0-ee26-4483-9f08-dfa19149cd24...

community.intel.com

I am a moderator for laptopvideo2go.com and in the old days like in the early 2000s, mods were needed to get video drivers to work but in the recent times, the drivers from the GPU manufacturers work fine without any issues. Besides, remember the Intel GPU is part of the CPU and not a actual separate GPU and I am sure Intel knows their CPU and what's in it better than Dell would.

Yes, while the group policy would work, there are sometimes where I want Windows to replace the drivers as a lot of times, I get newer than available drivers for both GPU, WiFi and Bluetooth than what's publicly available. So in my case, the only complaint I have is not for Windows to replace my Intel GPU drivers with a version # older than what's installed which in this case, it puts 27.x.x.x when I am already on drivers that are 31.x.x.x, the real problem is Windows should just check if the version they want to install has a number that is greater than what they want to install before they install it an don't install if the version is the same or equal to what's already on the system. So until I actually have problems, I'll just let Windows replace drivers as there is Windows Update history I can check regularly to see if anything has been replaced.

Almighty1 · Aug 13, 2023

Elegast said:
It only happens when you search 2 times in a row

I would test this out if you give more details on exactly how to do it?

Almighty1 · Aug 13, 2023

JGToy said:
Perhaps it is!

I think the thing is Intel's Bluetooth drivers don't come with their own app so it relies on what Windows provides while some Bluetooth stacks like Widcomm and Toshiba comes with their own apps so you can think of what you have as an advantage as you didn't have the issue when everyone else did as your BT settings has it's own app and not relying on the one built into Windows but ofcourse should the one you have stop working for any reason and there are no updates to fix it, then you will run into a problem without a solution. Just curious, but does your Windows Settings app actually have a Bluetooth and devices section and if it does, what does it actually look like when you open it?

JGToy · Aug 13, 2023

Almighty1 said:
I think the thing is Intel's Bluetooth drivers don't come with their own app so it relies on what Windows provides while some Bluetooth stacks like Widcomm and Toshiba comes with their own apps so you can think of what you have as an advantage as you didn't have the issue when everyone else did as your BT settings has it's own app and not relying on the one built into Windows but ofcourse should the one you have stop working for any reason and there are no updates to fix it, then you will run into a problem without a solution. Just curious, but does your Windows Settings app actually have a Bluetooth and devices section and if it does, what does it actually look like when you open it?

then you will run into a problem without a solution.

On that, probably you are 100% right but, until now it never happened.

Like this in settings:-

And sometimes with more devices... But only when I have connected them.

Almighty1 · Aug 13, 2023

JGToy said:
On that, probably you are 100% right but, until now it never happened.

Like this in settings:-

View attachment 67744

And sometimes with more devices... But only when I have connected them.

It's obvious it hasn't happened yet since it's still working.

Interesting so it seems like even Windows Settings is basically sending that part to the app. Did you actually have to install the bluetooth drivers and software or did Windows just automatically worked? Trying to phrase this correctly, is the Bluetooth acually part of the motherboard, a expansion card, a dongle you plug in by USB?

JGToy · Aug 13, 2023

Almighty1 said:
It's obvious it hasn't happened yet since it's still working.

Interesting so it seems like even Windows Settings is basically sending that part to the app. Did you actually have to install the bluetooth drivers and software or did Windows just automatically worked? Trying to phrase this correctly, is the Bluetooth acually part of the motherboard, a expansion card, a dongle you plug in by USB?

Nope! No driver installation at all, it just worked.
It have two: Expansion Card and I had to install drivers for the USB one (it is 5.1 + Wireless Network).

waltc · Aug 14, 2023

Almighty1 said:
That advice might be good or bad because on my Dell XPS 15 9570 for example, the latest Intel video driver is in the 27.x.x.x which means it's WDDM 2.7, while Windows 11 would prefer WDDM 3.0/3.1 drivers. So it depends. Also, the 27.x.x.x drivers has a well known issue where dwm.exe had a major resource leak that wasn't fixed until in the newer 30 or 31 series drivers as can be seen here:

BUG: dwm.exe uses memory leakage with Intel HD Graphics 630

Hi, dwm.exe (Desktop-Window Manager) uses high memory with Intel Intel HD Graphics 630. This problem has been reported before: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/desktop-windows-manager-dwm-memory-leakage-in/c2968fb0-ee26-4483-9f08-dfa19149cd24...

community.intel.com

I am a moderator for laptopvideo2go.com and in the old days like in the early 2000s, mods were needed to get video drivers to work but in the recent times, the drivers from the GPU manufacturers work fine without any issues. Besides, remember the Intel GPU is part of the CPU and not a actual separate GPU and I am sure Intel knows their CPU and what's in it better than Dell would.

Yes, while the group policy would work, there are sometimes where I want Windows to replace the drivers as a lot of times, I get newer than available drivers for both GPU, WiFi and Bluetooth than what's publicly available. So in my case, the only complaint I have is not for Windows to replace my Intel GPU drivers with a version # older than what's installed which in this case, it puts 27.x.x.x when I am already on drivers that are 31.x.x.x, the real problem is Windows should just check if the version they want to install has a number that is greater than what they want to install before they install it an don't install if the version is the same or equal to what's already on the system. So until I actually have problems, I'll just let Windows replace drivers as there is Windows Update history I can check regularly to see if anything has been replaced.

I think the best way to ensure that you are running the latest drivers is to manually download them and install them yourself, direct from the manufacturer. That way, there are no worries about having the wrong drivers installed by Win11 because of a bug/error. It's definitely my preference--a long-time habit. It's not as if doing so is "hard," or anything.

Bree · Aug 14, 2023

As @Ed Tittel and others are aware, there was a long-standing bug introduced in build .1972 that caused DISM to fail with error 6824 on cleaning up the component store. An offline cleanup was the only fix I could find.

Bree said:
For some of us build .1972 introduced a bug when attempting to clean up the component store.
dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup failed with:
Error: 6824
The operation cannot be performed because another transaction is depending on the fact that this property will not change.
This bug was not addressed by build .2050, or in .2048, as I demonstrated in post #22 here:

KB5028247 Windows 11 Insider Beta 22621.2048 and 22631.2048 - July 13

UPDATE 7/21: https://www.elevenforum.com/t/kb5028256-windows-11-insider-beta-22621-2050-and-22631-2050-july-21.16534/ Windows Blogs: Hello Windows Insiders, today we are releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22621.2048 22H2 and Build 22631.2048 23H3 (KB5028247) to the Beta Channel. Build...

www.elevenforum.com

There is a fix, you have to use DISM to perform an off line clean up, links to the details of how to do that are in that post above. As I said in that post, I deliberately left one of my VMs unfixed to see if MS would ever address this issue. Apparently they still haven't fixed this (or even acknowledged it, as far as I'm aware).

KB5028251 Windows 11 Insider Beta 22621.2115 and 22631.2115 - July 26 - post #7

I'm pleased to report that Microsoft have finally fixed this. Whether by accident or design we'll never know, Microsoft seem to have fixed it quietly without ever saying anything about it.

I confirmed that the VM I deliberately left unfixed still had the error before updating.....

...then updated it.

After updating to 22631.2191 the error 6824 no longer occurs, DISM now runs to completion successfully.

Almighty1 · Aug 14, 2023

waltc said:
I think the best way to ensure that you are running the latest drivers is to manually download them and install them yourself, direct from the manufacturer. That way, there are no worries about having the wrong drivers installed by Win11 because of a bug/error. It's definitely my preference--a long-time habit. It's not as if doing so is "hard," or anything.

Not always as you do know that for the Intel WiFi/Bluetooth, the manufacturers site being Intel in this case is atleast 1 month behind. Even for the GPU drivers, if you looked at the Intel GPU thread, you will see that there are drivers that are newer that come in via the Windows Update only tha are newer and still won't show up atleast a month later from the GPU manufacturers site which is Intel in this case and literally never on the actual notebook manufacturers site because their latest drivers are a few years old. So like I said, it depends on the scenario as you really want up to date drivers that meets Windows 11 specifications which is WDDM 3.0 or 3.1 which in the case with Intel GPU drivers are v30.x.x.x and v31.x.x.x drivers and not WDDM v2.7 drivers which are really meant for Windows 10 and not 11 which is why I said, it depends as things can always have good sides and bad sides. Similar to one shouldn't be in Beta Insiders either since it also forces you to use that version and it's not like you can uninstall it like you can with drivers should something go wrong, without talking about using backups but you will still lose any changes since the last backup, you will be stuck with it until the next version comes out. So it depends on the user really since if no one tests out the drivers before it's on the manufacturers website or otherwise and reports issues on forums, it will be released with the same issues and a bigger population will have the issues as the manufacturer can have the chance to fix it first. It's similar to the Calculator app in Windows 11 that was released a few days ago, try entering a . or , using the keyboard which does not work, if some people had those apps and tested it, the problem would likely effect less people so as with anything, there are always benefits and risks as like the saying goes, there is no guarantee or certainty in anything except death and taxes. But anyways, if the person(s) keeps complaining about bad drivers because of Windows replacing them automatically, then they should do what you mentioned as it would technically be their own fault if they didn't but if they don't mind like I do since there is always a risk in everything as while it may downgrade most of the time, there is also the benefit of seeing newer drivers ahead of the general public, then it should be up to them to do it as there was only one instance of one bad Intel GPU driver version from Windows Update that caused black screens randomly that was actually newer than released versions but also replaced newer versions later that caused problems until that was no longer than the default version Windows Update installs automatically and then at that point, one would have to uninstall until it says Microsoft Basic Driver, install the newest released version so Windows Update will update it and then install the version one wants again as Windows will only install each version it wants to once as as long as the system has installed that version, it will never replace it again.

JGToy · Aug 14, 2023

Bree said:
As @Ed Tittel and others are aware, there was a long-standing bug introduced in build .1972 that caused DISM to fail with error 6824 on cleaning up the component store. An offline cleanup was the only fix I could find.

KB5028251 Windows 11 Insider Beta 22621.2115 and 22631.2115 - July 26 - post #7

I'm pleased to report that Microsoft have finally fixed this. Whether by accident or design we'll never know, Microsoft seem to have fixed it quietly without ever saying anything about it.

I confirmed that the VM I deliberately left unfixed still had the error before updating.....

View attachment 67807

...then updated it.

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After updating to 22631.2191 the error 6824 no longer occurs, DISM now runs to completion successfully.

View attachment 67809

Mine still crooked (I guess), it stop at 99.5% but still report everything as image below:-

Running the cleanup :-

Seems okay!

But running the check again :-

Everything still there. :what:

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