Solved MBAM Browser guard?

jimbo45 · Jan 30, 2022

Why bother.

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WD these days is probably the best you can get -- I'd worry more about Identity Fraud, other fraud, Scams, fake email addresses / attachments, cloned fake web sites etc -- much more of a problem than Malware, viruses etc on Home computers. None of these A/V systems can counteract those as they aren't "Classical malware etc" e.g a fake tax site offering you a tax refund or an email from a "bogus lawyer" when selling a property asking you to switch the money into another bank account,

Please tell me how MBAM deals with that sort of stuff. !!!

OK for web servers, corporate networks etc which is a different criteria but on home networks these products were designed for C19/C20 problems --C21 is different - scamming / fraud / identity theft are far bigger issues than anything else.

OK loads here disagree with me -- but I re-iterate that if you think you really need need this extra stuff OK if it helps you "feel safer" but in reality it makes no discernable difference at all and can just get in the way of sensible computer operating.

Too much paranoia around security on Home Computers these days -- the old Windows systems where security was a total joke if it even existed at all are long gone. MS including the Azure cloud service has really good security and current WD is based on the AZURE security system which is well up to military strength and updated almost daily.

cheers

jimbo

Dch48 · Jan 30, 2022

jimbo45 said:
Why bother

WD these days is probably the best you can get -- I'd worry more about Identity Fraud, other fraud, Scams etc -- much more of a problem than Malware, viruses etc on Home computers.

OK for web servers, corporate networks etc which is a dfferent criteria but on home networks these products were designed for C19/C20 problems --C21 is different - scamming / fraud / identity theft are far bigger issues than anything else.

OK loads here disagree with me -- but I re-ititerate that if you think you really need need this extra stuff OK if it helps you "feel safer" but in reality it makes no discernable difference at all and can just get in the way of sensible computer operating.

Too much paranoia around security on Home Computers these days -- the old Windows systems where security was a total joke if it even existed at all are long gone. MS including the Azure cloud service has really good security and current WD is based on the AZURE security system whih is well up to military strength

cheers

jimbo

I agree completely. Except for blocking ads which are really just an annoyance, Nothing more than what Microsoft gives you for free is required for home users. I set my AdGuard extension to allow some ads because almost everything on the web depends on them to stay alive. I actually have more than a few times, found an ad to be beneficial. I limit them. I don't completely block them all.

jimbo45 · Jan 30, 2022

Dch48 said:
I agree completely. Except for blocking ads which are really just an annoyance, Nothing more than what Microsoft gives you for free is required for home users. I set my AdGuard extension to allow some ads because almost everything on the web depends on them to stay alive. I actually have more than a few times, found an ad to be beneficial. I limit them. I don't completely block them all.

Thanks --really appreciate the reply.

I usually get more Vitriol on this subject than anything else I post especially when it concerms MBAM which seems to be a HUGE favourite of users here on these boards -- was brilliant in W7 days but so many haven't yet moved on to improvemnents in security in latest releases of W10 and W11 and developments out there in "The Criminal Mindset".

Old School hacking on HOME / Mom and Pop computers is passe these days -- breaking international infrastructure is totally different which is where all the cyber space hacking is directed at these days,

Cheers
jimbo

1PW · Jan 30, 2022

jimbo45 said:
(Snip, snip) e.g a fake tax site offering you a tax refund (snip) Please tell me how MBAM deals with that sort of stuff. !!! (Snip,snip)

Hello @jimbo45

If already known by the computer security community, MB4 Premium will block the user's browsers from responding. The free Malwarebytes Browser Guard (MBG) will block the user's browsers from the bogus site in the first place. Some users even supplement MBG with uBlock Origin.

HTH

Porthos · Jan 30, 2022

ThrashZone said:
If you have mbam pro/ premium you already have web protection On by default so this additional browser guard add-on is not necessary

Only if the bad site is already in the main program database. The browser guard has additional protection that not even the main Premium program has.

Porthos · Jan 30, 2022

1PW said:
Some users even supplement MBG with uBlock Origin.

Like I always recommend.
There are some additional filters I enable in Ublock origin as well.

AdvancedSetup · Jan 31, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
If you have mbam pro/ premium you already have web protection On by default so this additional browser guard add-on is not necessary
I personally skip this feature when mbam asks on updating new versions.

Just right click mbam icon in the action center and you'll see the list of protections

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Malwarebytes Browser Guard blocks Content that has nothing to do with what Malwarebytes Web Protection will block. Yes, there is a huge amount of overlap simply due to the fact that some Advertisers are often scammers too. Malwarebytes Browser Guard blocks ADS and other Content. The Malwarebytes Premium does not block any Ads (unless they happen to be coming from a known bad website or IP).

As I mentioned. uBlock Origin is probably the best Content blocker out there but Malwarebytes Browser Guard does block items that UO does not.
I use Malwarebytes Premium, Malwarebytes Browser Guard, and uBlock Origin, as well as NoScript, and Privacy Badger. Each has its purpose.

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

Hi folks

I still think 99% of this stuff is totally unnecessary -- I use browsers every day with no ad blockers etc etc and just have the basic WD defender settings -- I never get into any sort of problems with Malware or other things -- I've got used to simply just ignoring any ads if the pop up during browsing a site - easy enough to do so it just becomes 2nd nature. The worst offenders are those things or sites that play video / sounds when you just want to browse quitely. I just put those in a file so my own proxy server just shuts them out for future reference.

Social media sites are also a source of a lot of problems vis a vis identity theft and fraud -- I never use those but most A/V if not all can't help there either unless remarks on those places are racist or offensive which is a totally different issue of course. Its simply amazing in the heat of the moment how much personal data users of those sites give out without realising it.

All this extra security is fine for those who think it gives peace of mind but as for really providing against the huge scamming, fraud and identity theft schemes out there - there's only one effective system and thats your OWN BRAIN !!!!

Maybe in several years when A.I (Artificial Intelligence) is much more advanced protection against scamming could be feasible. I wish those in the A/V industry would concentrate on developing stuff like that --future stuff rather than trying to re-invent and re-jig old C20 solutions for C21 conditions and new social behaviours.

Of course like all things YMMV - my comment is what works best for me -- all I suggest is think how you really use your systems and where the risks are so you can take proper precautions.

Cheers
jimbo

CornishRattler · Jan 31, 2022

jimbo45 said:
Hi folks

I still think 99% of this stuff is totally unnecessary -- I use browsers every day with no ad blockers etc etc and just have the basic WD defender settings -- I never get into any sort of problems with Malware or other things -- I've got used to simply just ignoring any ads if the pop up during browsing a site - easy enough to do so it just becomes 2nd nature. The worst offenders are those things or sites that play video / sounds when you just want to browse quitely. I just put those in a file so my own proxy server just shuts them out for future reference.

Social media sites are also a source of a lot of problems vis a vis identity theft and fraud -- I never use those but most A/V if not all can't help there either unless remarks on those places are racist or offensive which is a totally different issue of course. Its simply amazing in the heat of the moment how much personal data users of those sites give out without realising it.

All this extra security is fine for those who think it gives peace of mind but as for really providing against the huge scamming, fraud and identity theft schemes out there - there's only one effective system and thats your OWN BRAIN !!!!

Maybe in several years when A.I (Artificial Intelligence) is much more advanced protection against scamming could be feasible. I wish those in the A/V industry would concentrate on developing stuff like that --future stuff rather than trying to re-invent and re-jig old C20 solutions for C21 conditions and new social behaviours.

Of course like all things YMMV - my comment is what works best for me -- all I suggest is think how you really use your systems and where the risks are so you can take proper precautions.

Cheers
jimbo

Absolutely agree, YOU (as in the user) are the most effective defence against this stuff, on the flip side you can also be the most ineffective defence.

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

CornishRattler said:
Absolutely agree, YOU (as in the user) are the most effective defence against this stuff, on the flip side you can also be the most ineffective defence.

Hi there
I see from your sig that you Dual boot

How about this : !!!! (and from an external SSD->via SATA->USB 3 connection).

Physical boot not VM's. all Pro versions W10 standard version W11 preview version W11 std version English, W11 Std Version Icelandic, Winpe (and also not shown but on select other options GRUB for a Linux distro). I'd like to get Macrium as well but it hoses up the boot rec - seems it doesn't co-operate with the std boot mgr.

Cheers
jimbo

CornishRattler · Jan 31, 2022

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
I see from your sig that you Dual boot

How about this : !!!! (and from an external SSD->via SATA->USB 3 connection).

Physical boot not VM's. all Pro versions W10 standard version W11 preview version W11 std version English, W11 Std Version Icelandic, Winpe (and also not shown but on select other options GRUB for a Linux distro). I'd like to get Macrium as well but it hoses up the boot rec - seems it doesn't co-operate with the std boot mgr.

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Cheers
jimbo

I’ve got Macrium on the boot, no dramas here unless I’m not getting what you mean

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

CornishRattler said:
I’ve got Macrium on the boot, no dramas here unless I’m not getting what you mean

Hi there
W're slightly OT here - but I'd like to get it onto a vdmk file and on to the boot menu -- last time I tried it hosed up the entire SSD as it wiped the rest of the disk (I've got backup of course so that wasn't a problem to restore) .

I'll have another go with it ---- I've got the V8 stand alone iso - did you use the PE version or create the RE version. I tend to think the PE version might have more recovery options in it - but if RE works that's fine as I already have Winpe.

Cheers
jimbo

CornishRattler · Jan 31, 2022

I used the RE, but I’ll make doubly sure when I get home later

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

CornishRattler said:
I used the RE, but I’ll make doubly sure when I get home later

Thanks
Messing with it now

Nice I don't work Mondays any more on my current gig !!!!!! - Tue, Wed, Thur is all I do these days -- remote client in Brussels -- not saying who !!!!!!!! though -- good payers of course.

Cheers and enjoy rest of the day.
jimbo

jerrypc1 · Jan 31, 2022

jimbo45 said:
Hi folks

I still think 99% of this stuff is totally unnecessary -- I use browsers every day with no ad blockers etc etc and just have the basic WD defender settings -- I never get into any sort of problems with Malware or other things -- I've got used to simply just ignoring any ads if the pop up during browsing a site - easy enough to do so it just becomes 2nd nature. The worst offenders are those things or sites that play video / sounds when you just want to browse quitely. I just put those in a file so my own proxy server just shuts them out for future reference.

Social media sites are also a source of a lot of problems vis a vis identity theft and fraud -- I never use those but most A/V if not all can't help there either unless remarks on those places are racist or offensive which is a totally different issue of course. Its simply amazing in the heat of the moment how much personal data users of those sites give out without realising it.

All this extra security is fine for those who think it gives peace of mind but as for really providing against the huge scamming, fraud and identity theft schemes out there - there's only one effective system and thats your OWN BRAIN !!!!

Maybe in several years when A.I (Artificial Intelligence) is much more advanced protection against scamming could be feasible. I wish those in the A/V industry would concentrate on developing stuff like that --future stuff rather than trying to re-invent and re-jig old C20 solutions for C21 conditions and new social behaviours.

Of course like all things YMMV - my comment is what works best for me -- all I suggest is think how you really use your systems and where the risks are so you can take proper precautions.

Cheers
jimbo

@jimbo45 About these extentions I choose to use I have not asked anyone else to use them I just stated that I use them .And even if they don't do anything it's my personal decision to use them because it makes me feel safer.what anyone else does is their decision:)

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

jerrypc1 said:
@jimbo45 About these extentions I choose to use I have not asked anyone else to use them I just stated that I use them .And even if they don't do anything it's my personal decision to use them because it makes me feel safer.what anyone else does is their decision:)

That's what I said -- if you want to use them fine -- if not ignore -- all I was saying from a technical point of view it's questionable whether any of these things are worth it any more -- from a "Well being" point of view that's individiual and not quanitifiable.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 · Jan 31, 2022

CornishRattler said:
I used the RE, but I’ll make doubly sure when I get home later

Working fine from boot menu from vhdx file.

1) created ISO with W11 PE (used PE version W11)
2) created a vhdx 8GB file formatted fat32 bog standard non gpt etc.
3) applied via dism /apply-image ---- note file is in sources/boot.wim not as typical /sources/install.wim and used index:1 and applied to the mounted vhdx file
4) then updated the boot loader via bcdboot on the 100M EFI file
5) re-boot and it's on the boot option and works.

Note you will initially get the WINPE / Windows Server type of boot menu rather than the nicer blue background standard Windows multi-boot screen. However re-run bcdboot from any Windows system and it will then show as an option on the standard Windows multi-boot screen. Use BCDEDIT to change descriptions to things you like (to see current entries bcdedit /v, and to change descriptions bcdedit /set {id} description "Your Description".

Thanks for the idea of saying Macrium was do-able on multi-boot. I'm running all this lot from an external SSD so absolutely good test and recovery things which can be migrated easily to other machines if required and often with vhdx files digital activation remains in place !!!.

Cheers
jimbo

CornishRattler · Jan 31, 2022

I had the black/white basic boot menu initially, after the new OS requested a reboot when setting up it automatically became the blue graphical menu, I have 11 beta, 11 dev and 10 pro on boot. MacOS Monterey on VM

Dch48 · Jan 31, 2022

I do agree with you for the most part Jimbo but I differ in a few ways. I do use an ad blocker. I use AdGuard in Edge. I have it set to allow some ads that support the websites so I don't blindly block them all. From what I can tell, it works much the same as the MB Browser Guard. Of course SmartScreen is also active. I also do use Facebook and Twitter. Facebook virtually every day. I have never used a VM or a VPN. I also avoid using command line interfaces as much as possible so no DISM stuff for me. I think I have used Powershell once. When I do have to resort to a command line, I normally use the good old Command Prompt as an administrator. Windows Terminal is set to open up that way.

AdvancedSetup · Jan 31, 2022

Again, it is not so much about security. It's about annoyance. If you're happy with Ads and redirects then so be it that is your choice. My choice is no Ads.

A site without content blocking

The exact same site with content blocking (much easier to enjoy the site and read content vs. maneuvering around Ads)

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