Microsoft Pulls support for Intel 8th, 9th & 10th Gen Processors for Windows 11 24H2


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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
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    Dell Latitude E4310
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    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Microsoft actually moves faster than expected.

When it released date of end support on Windows 10, Kaby Lake being impacted. Hence I had to dispose my Kaby Lake CPU and any older computers.

After cleaned up them, I was thinking those left could run awhile. Now Microsoft hints, Intel 8th, 9th & 10th Gen to be next ending support soon. and 23H2 will be expiring right one month later after Windows 10. That pace's much faster than expected.

btw, in practice, for many apps. support on Mac can be much worse than PC. For example, Schwab/TOS platform supports 10-15 yrs old PC/Win10, but four yrs old Mac/Big Sur only. Mac was on my consideration. In front of fact, I gave up.


Silvio said:
Maybe I should start "liquidating", some of my 8th gen laptops, while they are still worth something.

Also considering cheap Macbook Pro 2018+, for running Office 365.
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    Windows 7/11
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    PC/Desktop
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    HP/Lenovo/Asus
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    Intel i7-11800H
    Motherboard
    Lenovo Legion 5i Pro Gen 6
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
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    1TB PCIe SSD
This may be relevant.

When windows 11 became available I did my research on hardware and CPU requirements. I actually bought a TPM2 module for my computer which was not necessary.

I later purchased a motherboard and CPU for my wife.

I was able to install windows 11 on both.

I regularly did upgrades of win 11 new versions on both computer with no issues

With 24H2 upgrade on my wifes computer I got a message that the hardware is incompatible and there some mention of TPM2 missing

I went to the Asus motherboard bios and activated TM2 and window 11 24H2 installation was successful.
 

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    windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
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    No Name - Assembled by a Compute shop in a Strip Mall.
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    Intel i511400
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    ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS motherboard
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    16 GB
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    0
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siliconbeaver said:
Now Microsoft hints, Intel 8th, 9th & 10th Gen to be next ending support soon. and 23H2 will be expiring right one month later after Windows 10. That pace's much faster than expected.
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The 'support' that's ending is only the permission for OEM to use them in new machines intended to be supplied with Windows 11.

Microsoft have stated that existing support for 8th gen and later devices with W11 installed continues unaffected.

Microsoft said:
Changes to the processors listed do not indicate or impact a customer’s existing Windows support
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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
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    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
siliconbeaver said:
btw, in practice, for many apps. support on Mac can be much worse than PC. For example, Schwab/TOS platform supports 10-15 yrs old PC/Win10, but four yrs old Mac/Big Sur only. Mac was on my consideration. In front of fact, I gave up.
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Yes, I'm aware Apple are even worse than Micro$oft, for forcing h/w upgrades.

I only need Windows for Office 365, and Mac OSX is probably the "nicest" OS desktop.

However, I do find Macbook Pro hardware, some of the most unreliable/prone to break down, as opposed to Dell or Lenovo.

So I'll probably just stick to Windows 11, and just upgrade when, workarounds no longer work.
 

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    Linux Ubuntu 24.04.1
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 5810
    CPU
    Xeon 2680 v4
    Motherboard
    Xeon V4 Motherboard
    Memory
    64GB ECC DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 1650
    PSU
    850W
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 23H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    HP Z640
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    Xeon 2667 V4
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    HP Z640 V3/V4
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    32GB ECC
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    nVidia Quadro M4000
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    LG Gsync 27" 144hz
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Microsoft, in an effort to clarify things, have put Intel 8th, 9th, and 10th gen back on the list yesterday, saying....

Microsoft said:
Editor’s Note: Updated February 27, 2025This Learn page is continually updated to reflect the Intel® processor models that meet the minimum system requirements for Windows 11. It is intended for OEMs and ODMs to understand the following CPUs may be used for new Windows 11 devices. A page update made on February 13, 2025 did not reflect accurate offerings. It has since been updated, including the addition of Intel® processor models 8th, 9th, and 10th generation Intel® CPUs, and the reclassification for select Intel® processor models to support Windows 11.
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learn.microsoft.com

Windows processor requirements Windows 11, version 24H2 supported Intel processors

This specification details the Intel processors that can be used with Windows 11, version 24H2 customer systems that include Windows products, including custom images.
learn.microsoft.com
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
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    Radeon Graphics
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
siliconbeaver said:
Microsoft actually moves faster than expected.

When it released date of end support on Windows 10, Kaby Lake being impacted. Hence I had to dispose my Kaby Lake CPU and any older computers.

After cleaned up them, I was thinking those left could run awhile. Now Microsoft hints, Intel 8th, 9th & 10th Gen to be next ending support soon. and 23H2 will be expiring right one month later after Windows 10. That pace's much faster than expected.

btw, in practice, for many apps. support on Mac can be much worse than PC. For example, Schwab/TOS platform supports 10-15 yrs old PC/Win10, but four yrs old Mac/Big Sur only. Mac was on my consideration. In front of fact, I gave up.
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Charles Schwab seems to have higher minimum level requirements compared to Fidelity. Even for mobile devices, Fidelity will still run on Android 6 and iOS 15 devices while Schwab had required Android 8.0 and iOS 16 as a minimum for quite some time already.
 

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    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
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    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
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    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
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    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
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    Stock
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    SwitftPoint ProPoint
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    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
the reason is, TOS supports fully RTD (i.e. TOS RTD).




If you don't use RTD, then forget it. Any computer is fine.
If you do, please keep in mind, RTD wouldn't run on MacOS. i.e. Mac computer is NOT qualified. nor is older PC.
hence traders on Mac actually are NOT "true" traders. they are ones NOT using RTD. Thinking about gaming NOT using streaming. is he a true gamer?

Almighty1 said:
Charles Schwab seems to have higher minimum level requirements compared to Fidelity. Even for mobile devices, Fidelity will still run on Android 6 and iOS 15 devices while Schwab had required Android 8.0 and iOS 16 as a minimum for quite some time already.
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP/Lenovo/Asus
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    Intel i7-11800H
    Motherboard
    Lenovo Legion 5i Pro Gen 6
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
    Hard Drives
    1TB PCIe SSD
siliconbeaver said:
the reason is, TOS supports fully RTD (i.e. TOS RTD).




If you don't use RTD, then forget it. Any computer is fine.
If you do, please keep in mind, RTD wouldn't run on MacOS. i.e. Mac computer is NOT qualified. nor is older PC.
hence traders on Mac actually are NOT "true" traders. they are ones NOT using RTD. Thinking about gaming NOT using streaming. is he a true gamer?
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That has more to do with RTD being only on the Windows version of Excel which is from Microsoft. MacOSX which is FreeBSD is actually more powerful, look at the uptime of the busiest sites on the Internet and you will see what they run. Without BSD, there would be no Internet as the TCP/IP stack came from BSD. I don't use RTD, I don't even trade with TOS, only use it for the quotes, level 2 as I have close to 100 accounts with many firms and I prefer to trade using the browser anyways. Windows advantage had always been the software available for it. And I was not talking specifically about ToS but Schwab Mobile for example which to me is more important than TOS as I cannot even make Mobile Deposits if the Schwab Mobile app does not work.
 
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
As Bree said, only affects OEM (so far?)
 

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    Win 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
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    ABS (Newegg)
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. PRIME B560M-A AC Rev 1.xx
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    Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz
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    MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
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    Realtek Digital Output (Realtek(R) Audio)
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    Viewsonic VS 2725 -2k 27"
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    2560x1440 100hz
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    T-FORCE TM8FP800 1TB + a couple SATA SSDs
    PSU
    Gigabyte P650E
    Case
    DeepCool Matrexx 50 mid-tower
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    a whole bunch of fans
    Keyboard
    Perixx
    Mouse
    Amazon Basic
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    Starlink: speed varies
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    Brave/Chrome (for ATG)
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    Windows Defender
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    An assortment of "land fill, obsolete" computers all running Linux Mint 22 (at the moment).
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