New mobo/ddr5 memory not as fast as I expected


rzn6jw said:
wmic memorychip get speed shows 7000 on both sticks.
In the BIOS I found under:
UMC/DDR/
DDR Training Runtime Reduction set to enable (options of Disable or Auto in which case if memory is OC setting will go to Disable)
DFE Read Training - Auto
RX2D_Training - Manual
Tx2D_Training - manual

According to the Crucial info (above) a mobo may reduce the memory training after the initial boot unless something changes like hardware or a BIOS change but this board seems to train every boot so I'm comfused. Please excuse my ignorance but this is my first time working with DDR5 memory so bear with me if I don't understand.
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DDR5 training repeats on my #1 system, but only after a few weeks (without BIOS setting changes).

You should not be getting it on every boot. I don't know what might cause that.

A semi-random suggestion: if you have the Gigabyte Control Center utility installed, I suggest getting rid of it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
  • Operating System
    windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
Also check if the SSD speeds are as advertised by the manufacturer. Use some software like CrystalDiskMark. You can also try to place the SSD in other slot of the motherboard.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG STRIX G513RC
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 7 6800H 3.2-4.7 GHz
    Memory
    32 GB DDR5 4800MHz Dual Channel Crucial
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX™ 3050
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6 inches FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Display
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T500 2TB
    Western Digital Black SN770 2TB
    Keyboard
    RGB Keyboard
DDR5 timings match the advertised timings of 36-44-44-114-158

Uninstalled the Gigabyte Control Center. Rebooted. 5 seconds between power-off screen and Aorus boot screen, 3 seconds until Windows load (spinning wheel), 5 seconds until desktop. A heck of a lot faster!!

Going to reinstall the Control Center and see if I can reproduce the problem later tonight. If it turns out the Control Center is the issue (it sure looks like it) what is it doing to cause the problem? Anyway, I'll be back in a couple of hours.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11Pro v22H2 build 22621.2428
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX
    Memory
    48G DDR5 7000
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS RTX 4070 Super OC
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 24"
    Screen Resolution
    3480 x 2160
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Case
    GameMax
    Cooling
    Deepcool LT720
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Razor
    Internet Speed
    Gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton 360
Reinstalled the GCC and that produced the original problem. Uninstalled it and going to keep it that way. Can't understand why some company would make software that would degrade their own system.

Anyway, anyone with an AM5 Gigabyte mobo - DON'T INSTALL THE GIGABYTE CONTROL CENTER!!

Thanks for everyone's help. Much appreciated, especially to bobkn for the heads up on the GCC.

Please mark this as solved.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11Pro v22H2 build 22621.2428
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX
    Memory
    48G DDR5 7000
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS RTX 4070 Super OC
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 24"
    Screen Resolution
    3480 x 2160
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Case
    GameMax
    Cooling
    Deepcool LT720
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Razor
    Internet Speed
    Gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton 360
rzn6jw said:
DDR5 timings match the advertised timings of 36-44-44-114-158

Uninstalled the Gigabyte Control Center. Rebooted. 5 seconds between power-off screen and Aorus boot screen, 3 seconds until Windows load (spinning wheel), 5 seconds until desktop. A heck of a lot faster!!

Going to reinstall the Control Center and see if I can reproduce the problem later tonight. If it turns out the Control Center is the issue (it sure looks like it) what is it doing to cause the problem? Anyway, I'll be back in a couple of hours.
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I would seriously consider a fresh install of Windows Eleven. I know it’s a pain to do so, but I would.
Install Windows and then make sure everything is playing nicely before proceeding with the next steps of reloading your apps and software.

I have watched you learn things as you go through this thread, which is excellent. But you would be surprised what a difference a fresh install would have on what is going on.
I have built at least 100 PC’s, and considering I always bought compatible hardware, have never had to tweak anything so it would work together, less my preferences for the BIOS settings.

You could make an image backup, fresh install Windows to see what the difference might be.
If you’re facing the same shortcomings, you could always reload the image.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3737
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
rzn6jw said:
Can't understand why some company would make software that would degrade their own system.

Anyway, anyone with an AM5 Gigabyte mobo - DON'T INSTALL THE GIGABYTE CONTROL CENTER!!
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Those utility apps released by the big motherboard manufacturers are all to be avoided like the plague afaik.

As you found, using them ends in :tears:

Well done on getting your issues sorted.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi - Bios 2002
    Memory
    Corsair Dominator 64gb 5600MT/s DDR5 Dual Channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire NITRO+ AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X 24GB
    Sound Card
    External Fiio K5 Pro ESS DAC - Headphone Amplifier
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Panasonic MX950 Mini LED 55" TV 120hz
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160 120hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB (OS)
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (Files)
    Lexar NZ790 4TB
    LaCie d2 Professional 6TB external - USB 3.1
    PSU
    Corsair RM1200x Shift
    Case
    Corsair RGB Smart Case 5000x (white)
    Cooling
    Corsair iCue H150i Elite Capellix XT
    Keyboard
    Logitech K860
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Ergo Trackball
    Internet Speed
    Fibre 900/500 Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Total Security
    Other Info
    Logitech Brio 4K Webcam
    Orico 10-port powered USB 3.0 hub
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