Recall and Copilot will break file explorer if disabled in 24h2


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Yep, you can uninstall both without causing issues. :alien:


 

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This is PARTIAL FUD.

24H2 currently has a Servicing bug, where if you disable the Recall Feature sometimes it won't configure all the right files or settings for File Explorer. Instead, it looks like a W10 File Explorer.
Don't freak out. There is NO permanent damage.

DISM /Enable-Feature /FeatureName:"Recall"
reboot
DISM /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:"Recall"
reboot

Now you have a perfect working W11 desktop and Recall is disabled. My impression is this a bug which MS will eventually get around to fixing.
 

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I don't have or can even find remnants of Copilot or RECALL... and my File Explorer works fine... ?

Local Administrator account. Non-Insider build.
 

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I don't have or can even find remnants of Copilot or RECALL... and my File Explorer works fine... ?
You can force this problem by mounting an install image, and DISM disabling Recall on it. When you install 24H2, File Explorer is broken 100% of the time on logon.

Flipping it back on, then off again, will restore whatever went wrong. So it's a temporary problem.
 

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Just on the subject of Copilot apps. I don't need nor want this feature but I still have the Copilot App installed along with Windows CoPilot MSIX Pack. Can I uninstall both without affecting anything else? Thanks.
 

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For your info, the OP is right.
As reported HERE, after a clean install with a modded ISO Explorer defaulted to legacy (despite having removed legacy Explorer from the image).
After a LONG investigation and thanks to a hint from @tistou77 in the NTLite community, I could narrow the cause.
By performing DISM /Online /Enable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall /All I could restore Recall.
After a reboot my Explorer is again (as) new.

So, there is a difference between disabling Recall (and even uninstalling Copilot) on a live system, or removing Recall completely from the image.
The former, I can confirm because I had tried too, doesn't break anything.
The latter breaks Explorer and my balls.

Dear @garlin , nice to see you here...
 

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The servicing bug is that disabling Client.CBS.AIX (Recall feature) triggers a failed installation of WindowsAppRuntime.CBS. You're using the free edition of NTLite, so the proper removal method (which fixes the 24H2 bug) is paywalled from you.

But hey, I never mentioned that the first time.
You did NOT say that.
If you think you did, it's waaay too long that you got waaay too comfortable in your way of telling things to people who know less than you, and you forgot how to tell things so that such people can actually understand what you say.

First of all, the main dish on that comment was your claim that I removed Microsoft.WindowsAppRuntime.CBS, which I did NOT.
And btw you had already claimed it in NTLite community for a previous failed clean install, and I had already told you that I did NOT and that it's a thing that I wouldn't remove. So much for listening to others, like you say that they should listen while you spread your wisdom.

Secondly, you said "This is a similar bug to what happens when you run DISM /Disable-Feature on Recall", like if you were talking of something unrelated, and I automatically glossed over it as something unrelated.
And if it didn't even occur to you while writing about it that maybe I had indeed removed Recall, why do you blame me?
Which btw you would have known that I had removed Recall if you had a look at the uploaded txt here or uploaded preset in NTLite community where you are a mod. Just saying.

"When you remove Recall with the DISM /Disable-Feature", or even better "When you remove Recall with the DISM /Disable-Feature or with a software like NTLite" (considering that it was in the context) would have been more understandable for "less wise" people.
And something like "Do you disable Copilot + Recall setting (Settings - Privacy) ?" like @tistou77 asked, would have not made me gloss over it.
Also, asking "did you maybe" instead of claiming things, can have a surprisingly relaxing and opening effect on the people you're trying to help.

Finally, in that comment you said "If you've disabled the NTLite compatibility protections for an image, then you're allowed to break many things on your own".
Now you say "You're using the free edition of NTLite, so the proper removal method (which fixes the 24H2 bug) is paywalled from you".
It seems like you like to turn things so that it always seem like people f.ked up because they did something they shouldn't have.
Maybe tell Nuhi to put the damn Recall in the damn compatibility protection's list, when you're less busy slamming people who did NOT remove something which they (despite not being as "wise" as you) would have realized that it sounds like something that they should not remove (e.g. Microsoft.WindowsAppRuntime.CBS), and who are frantically trying to understand WTF went wrong.

Ffs, and I was even writing you something nice in the other post.
Still, I stick to what I was writing you there. But I'll write it there.
No, at this point it makes no sense, I'll just say it here: I do appreciate your commitment. You clearly are helping lot of people, and you helped me too in the NTLite community. I was and am grateful for it.
But there's a dark side to everything.
I'm not here to patronize you, just like I asked you not to patronize me.
But as you are committed to helping people, I'm just telling you that maybe if you stop taking for granted that they must have f.cked up because they removed something that they clearly shouldn't have, if you'd not put everybody in the same bag just because in your many years of helping people you saw lot of similar things, maybe you'd find yourself talking to them in a way which makes them feel like you're happy to help more than like you're happy to point at what they most probably almost certainly did wrong, and most probably, almost certainly this would make you better at what you already do pretty decently.
Take it or leave it.
And thanks :)
 
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It seems like you like to turn things so that it always seem like people f.ked up because they did something they shouldn't have.

I’ve been reading your posts and the way you interact. You’re so much smarter than the rest of us.

Good luck with your endeavours.
 

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I’ve been reading your posts and the way you interact. You’re so much smarter than the rest of us.

My bad for expecting anything else from the herd.
Well, at least you protect each other.
But it'd be nice if you could discern when people aren't attacking.
The "wall of text" was explicitly meant to be sure that my words would not be misunderstood as an attack.
But I guess there are walls that not even a wall of text can overcome :)

Good luck you too :rolleyes:
 

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My bad for expecting anything else from the herd.
Well, at least you protect each other.
But it'd be nice if you could discern when people aren't attacking.
The "wall of text" was explicitly meant to be sure that my words would not be misunderstood as an attack.
But I guess there are walls that not even a wall of text can overcome :)

Good luck you too :rolleyes:


I have a secret weapon I use.

Every new improved thing MS comes out with, I uninstall with REVO Uninstaller
RECALL took one look at my comp and ran screaming from the room. ^^

00000 REVO Junk Removal.webp

We're all volunteers here, and this is a kinder, gentler forum.
There's never any need to get the least bit upset on these forums. :-)





Here's some things that you may find useful...



 

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I have a secret weapon I use.
Every new improved thing MS comes out with, I uninstall with REVO Uninstaller
I used it. Now I use BCUninstaller. It's portable, can do batch uninstalling, has imo more flexibility than Revo, and a "delete leftovers" section where at east for me it's easier to see what is really related to that thing or not.
But there are things that you can't remove with any uninstaller.
Maybe it's possible to remove them with DISM or whatever in a live system but I am trying to make an ISO where all is like I want from day 1.

We're all volunteers here, and this is a kinder gentler forum. :cool:
And I've repeatedly thanked for the received or even only attempted help, and explicitly recognized its volunteering nature (like here and here -end of point 3-).

If you feel like I've been unkind, we must be used to different kind of kindness :LOL:
I simply feel that when I am treated like an irresponsible noob just because despite meddling into hardware and software since Windows '95 I am not as "wise" as others, and this and that and all with a tone which I subjectively perceive as condescending (and I take full responsibility for its subjectivity but I also can't just ignore it), yeah, I kind of feel like I can't be blamed for not enjoying it and for saying that I don't.
It doesn't take anything away from the gratitude I have for the rest. And I at least try to leave that clear.

And I'm sincere also when I say that I'm not patronizing but giving a feedback which, albeit unrequested, is meant as constructive and it's also the confirmation that I recognize that person as honestly committed to helping. I mean, you can at least give me that...

But you got me. I do have a lingering insecurity which brings me to show as much of my smartness as possible 😬
I do not feel like I'm smarter than everybody else though.
Definitely not here.
Would you ask for help from someone who's less smart than you?

It's just that frustrating all-nighters trying to make something work turn people more susceptible :whistle:

I'm going to make this damn ISO now.
Bye.
 

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"Would you ask for help from someone who's less smart than you?"

Yes, they have a different point of view, then help them to become as smart.
 

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