Suggestions/Ideas on ways to strip down W11 EVEN more


zebal said:
I suggest Windows ADK.
There is steep learning curve to get skillful with it, but once you master it you can customize your ISO's in great detail.
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Yes, that's also a good option đź‘Ť
My warning was more towards the people who see a torrent link for an ISO and assume it's gonna be safe to use, even though they have NO clue what the person that made it could have snuck into it. These people would probably WAY prefer something more streamlined like NTLite.
 

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obfuscation said:
Nothing a system restore point couldn't fix though đź‘Ť
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I can't tell you how many times I've seen system restore fail. That's one of the main reasons I'm a huge advocate of disk imaging as a regular backup routine.
 

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allan said:
I can't tell you how many times I've seen system restore fail.
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System restore even if successful will screw your system if you leave it at that.
Every driver and program needs to be reinstalled after system restore to update registry that was rolled back as well.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
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    MSI / MS-7B29
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    Intel i3 8100 @3.6Ghz
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    H310M PRO-VDH (MS-7B29)
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    1 x 16GB DDR4 @2400 MHz
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allan said:
I can't tell you how many times I've seen system restore fail. That's one of the main reasons I'm a huge advocate of disk imaging as a regular backup routine.
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That's true aswell, I just don't really store anything important on my boot drive so I'm not terribly scared of breaking my OS (if that wasn't obvious already). Wouldn't exactly recommend this style of "eh, F it" to others though.
 

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    Ryzen 5 5500
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    2x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL16
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    ZOTAC RTX 2060 6G
zebal said:
System restore even if successful will screw your system if you leave it at that.
Every driver and program needs to be reinstalled after system restore to update registry that was rolled back as well.
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That's only really the case if you roll it pretty far back, I'm doing like 1 change then rolling it back if, and only if I can't manually revert the change (like with the push notification example). It's a failsafe, not something I usually have to resort to.
 

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    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 5500
    Memory
    2x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    ZOTAC RTX 2060 6G
obfuscation said:
That's only really the case if you roll it pretty far back, I'm doing like 1 change then rolling it back if, and only if I can't manually revert the change (like with the push notification example). It's a failsafe, not something I usually have to resort to.
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Agree. If you create a restore point just prior to making whatever change(s) you intend to make and then need to roll back prior to any updates, and assuming system restore works as expected, there's no need to reinstall any apps or drivers.
 

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    W10, W11
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    PC/Desktop
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    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
obfuscation said:
I'm doing like 1 change then rolling it back if, and only if I can't manually revert the change
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Use utilman method, it will give you option to use CMD with SYSTEM rights before logon, so you can change services, etc.
Code: 
takeown /s %computername% /u %username% /f "%WINDIR%\System32\utilman.exe"
icacls "%WINDIR%\System32\utilman.exe" /grant:r %username%:F
copy /y %WINDIR%\System32\cmd.exe %WINDIR%\System32\utilman.exe
obfuscation said:
It also just disappears after you disable it through regedit which is NOT how services should work haha
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It is like a time paradox, if you kill the parent, you will also kill the child. Restore the parent and it will restore the kid.
 

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    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
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    ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 3.15 (07/24)
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    2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @4800 CL40 (07/24)
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    Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
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    Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
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    Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
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    Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
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    HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
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TairikuOkami said:
It is like a time paradox, if you kill the parent, you will also kill the child. Restore the parent and it will restore the kid.
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Hah, that's a great way to put it!
I don't really know why it only seemed to happen with that specific service though. Other services don't do the same thing when disabled through regedit.
 

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    Ryzen 5 5500
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    ZOTAC RTX 2060 6G
I'll second the vote for "Tiny 11". I like experimenting with different OS's within the Windows world.
I've downloaded and installed Tiny 11 twice now. The second download was the "New and Improved" version.
It's the one I wholeheartedly suggest for anyone liking to play with Windows.
I've tried several versions of Windows that have 99% of the MS BS removed, for easier installs and more efficient operation.
But "Tiny 11" is neat, clean and totally minus the MS BS. However for the dedicated Tweaker, there is still things that can be done, to improve performance, by freeing up RAM and OS space on the HD (or SSD).

I've just installed the second version of "Tiny 11", on a 120 GB Crucial SSD. And with 16GB of ram on this system, it really hummmmms right along. You'd never even know it was not the Full Blown version. I keep it on a second HD, to run when I just want to futz with it. F12 still works!
Finis
TM :cool:
 

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TechnoMage2021 said:
I'll second the vote for "Tiny 11".
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I have noticed System and reserved: ReviOS - 12.3GB, TinyOS - 24.6GB, in the meantime I have 9.23GB post-install. :lmao:

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My idle memory is 1.8GB (1GB used by RAMdisk) vs theirs 2.0GB and MSA, Edge, firewall, onedrive are there.

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    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
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    ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 3.15 (07/24)
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    2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @4800 CL40 (07/24)
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    ASROCK Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8G @60FPS (08/24)
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    Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus (05/24)
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    24" Philips 24M1N3200ZS/00 (05/24)
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    1920Ă—1080@165Hz via DP1.4
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    Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
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    Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
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    HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
    Mouse
    Logitech M330 Silent Plus (04/23)
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    500/100 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
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    Edge & Brave for YouTube & LibreWolf for FB
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    NextDNS
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    2nd Monitor: AOC G2460VQ6 @75Hz (02/19)
And I do believe now that Tiny 11 works with Windows updates again. That was a certain showstopper for me in the past. Updates are important. Working in IT, I've seen the fallout from problems that were were fixed in updates, but that hadn't been installed.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
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    Beelink SEI8
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    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
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    Intel Iris Plus 655
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    Intel SST
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    Asus ProArt PA278QV
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    2560x1440
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    512GB NVMe
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    NA
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    NA
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    NA
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    NA
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    NA
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    500/50
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    Edge
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    Defender
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    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
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    Windows 10 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
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    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
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    64GB DDR4-3600
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    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
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    Onboard
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    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
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    2560x1440
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    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
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    Seasonic Focus 850
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    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
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    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
I'm glad for anyone who trusts system restore 100%, but I'm not one of them. SR for me has not always been the best user experience on mine and others systems.
It may be better these days, but once I lost faith in it, I never went back to using it. If it works, it has its purposes, but folks are under the impression it will recover or fix anything user account related and it won't.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.2314
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme+ 4gb Solidigm nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
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    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
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