Why does my Laptop fail

Try3 · Oct 5, 2021

blacxarea said:
STEPS TO DO UPGRADE INSTALL
If you trying to install as an upgrade from the previous version, mount the ISO, run Setup.exe
When the setup window comes up, find this folder:
C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\

Find the file appraiser.sdb, delete it. Continue install.
The other way, get the file appraiserres.dll from Windows 10 and replace the same file inside the Sources folder.

Just thought you'd like to know that I've just been running through an upgrade install of the released version of Windows 11 on a below-spec computer.
- Deleting appraiser.sdb did not prevent failure.
- Replacing appraiserres.dll with a copy from my Windows 10 installation USB did not prevent failure.

MS have clearly changed things since you worked out that method back in July.

I knew it was below-spec so I knew it was all an experiment.

I'll have to say tuned to see if another solution is found.

I'm grateful for your efforts so far. If you do develop something for bypassing compatibility checks in the released version then do not hesitate to ask me to test it. My below-spec test computer is just sitting in a drawer without any other purpose in life.

All the best,
Denis

barman58 · Oct 5, 2021

This was always going to happen, Microsoft suspended the hardware requirements temporarily whilst the Beta testing was in progress to check the processor cut off point was correct, this was slightly modified a few weeks ago with some Gen 7 Processors allowed into the acceptable category.

The requirement for TPM, Secure Boot and the other basic processor requirements have now been reinstated so as you say. was not a surprise :)

Try3 · Oct 5, 2021

Nigel,

Yes. But those steps were methods of bypassing the compatibility checks. They worked before but not with the released version [Version 10.0.22000 Build 194].

I'm hoping that somebody finds another workaround because this particular computer is an ideal testbed for me -
- It has the same overall layout of disks & partitions as my other computers [C:\ D:\ E:\ F:\ - each of which does the same job on each computer].
- It has the same applications as my other computers. In most cases they are the same versions.
- It has the same scripts [batch, PS, vbs, VBA] as my other computers.
- I couldn't give a monkey's what happens to it as long as it allows me to de-risk my eventual adoption of Windows 11 on my other computers. It's already been retired once and is held together with insulating tape.

I'll just be patient and keep my eyes open for any compatibility workarounds figured out anytime before 2025.

All the best,
Denis

barman58 · Oct 5, 2021

Have you thought about running a test install via Windows to Go ? this will allow you to test your own hardware and the drivers against the Windows 11 RTM, you could also, with a suitably sized SSD, load all the test applications scripts etc and test these live without too much risk

I've deferred installing due to various testing I'm involved in, (not Microsoft), and have an M2 NVME external drive with the Windows 11 install and I can slowly add the software to this and eventually clone the complete OS and application load onto my Main systems with good confidence

I posted about the method early in the Dev/Beta cycle

Using the Deprecated "Windows to Go"to Beta Test Windows 11

Just a quick run through on using the Windows to Go system for OS testing. Microsoft developed and included in Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and I believe the education version, the functionality to create a "Windows to GO" install on a USB Device. This was designed for enterprise SysAdmins to...

www.elevenforum.com

Try3 · Oct 5, 2021

barman58 said:
Have you thought about running a test install via Windows to Go ?

Nigel,

No, I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the idea. I've made a note of it and have already found some online guidance about making a Windows to go USB despite only having a Home edition.

Meanwhile, I'll keep hoping for compatibility bypasses to be discovered. I hadn't intended to do anything at all until next year anyway but woke up early, saw the ISO was available and tried it out on a whim.

All the best,
Denis

barman58 · Oct 5, 2021

I make mine using Rufus which should work on Home and I belive Home should be able to load the WtG as it was originally designed for all to use but only Pro and similar to create

Bree · Oct 5, 2021

Try3 said:
- Replacing appraiserres.dll with a copy from my Windows 10 installation USB did not prevent failure.

Just deleting C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\appraiserres.dll is sufficient, all checks are skipped if it's missing. Here is today's RTM usb installer made by the MCT running on a decidedly under-spec machine. It's also worth noting in passing that, unlike the W10 install, W11 does not support a direct upgrade from Windows 7 that keeps your apps and settings. If you need to upgrade from W7 to W11 then upgrade to W10 first.

NavyLCDR · Oct 5, 2021

Try3 said:
Just thought you'd like to know that I've just been running through an upgrade install of the released version of Windows 11 on a below-spec computer.
- Deleting appraiser.sdb did not prevent failure.
- Replacing appraiserres.dll with a copy from my Windows 10 installation USB did not prevent failure.

MS have clearly changed things since you worked out that method back in July.

I knew it was below-spec so I knew it was all an experiment.
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I'll have to say tuned to see if another solution is found.

I'm grateful for your efforts so far. If you do develop something for bypassing compatibility checks in the released version then do not hesitate to ask me to test it. My below-spec test computer is just sitting in a drawer without any other purpose in life.

All the best,
Denis

What about using dism to apply a Windows 11 to a partition?

Try3 · Oct 5, 2021

Bree said:
Just deleting C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\appraiserres.dll is sufficient

Bree,

Thanks. I had not tried that. It works. I'm using the Windows 11 ISO in a Repair install procedure right now.

The test computer is a Dell Inspiron 1545 [from 2010]

Thanks muchly,
Denis

Try3 · Oct 5, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
What about using dism to apply a Windows 11 to a partition?

I seem to be alright now, thanks.

All the best,
Denis

scarzy19 · Oct 5, 2021

It seems I am confused. I am currently running W10 Pro & missing some of the requirements for W11 but I want to try it using one of the bypass options to do an upgrade from my Windows10 Pro setup. I created a bootable USB using Rufus with today's RTM version of Windows11 ISO. Then I tried two things:

1. Removed appraiserres.dll from inside the support folder from W11 USB bootable drive and then rebooted from USB. The Windows11 setup screen came up but once I selected install, it told me I did not meet the minimum requirements.

2. Replaced appraiserres.dll inside the support folder from the W11 USB bootable drive with appraiserres.dll from an older ISO version of Windows10. I rebooted from the USB and the Windows11 setup screen came up but once I selected install, it told me I did not meet the minimum requirements again.

Can anyone explain where I am going wrong? I am trying to follow the successful suggestion from Bree and Try3 above, but obviously I am making a mistake somewhere. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Mark Phelps · Oct 5, 2021

I do not know what will work with ALL the older PCs -- but I can tell you what worked with two older PCs that I have -- both 10 years old and both failing the following Win11 requirements: UEFI boot, Secure boot, GPT, TPM.

I had tried ALL the suggestions here regarding deleting and overwriting DLLs -- and none of them worked.

Since I was upgrading from Win10, I did the following (I can not take credit for this process, as I had read it either here or on the Win10 forums -- but sorry, I don't have a link to the original post):
1) Obtain the latest working Windows 10 ISO
2) Create a folder on a drive you can access to contain the contents of that ISO (I called it Win11-Installer)
3) Expand that ISO into the folder (I did this by mounting it and then copying the contents)
4) Unmount the Win10 ISO (if you had mounted it)
5) Obtain an ISO of the Win11 build you want to install -- and mount it
6) Copy the install.wim or install.esd file from the \sources folder into the Win11-Installer\Sources folder

So now, you have a Win10 installer wrapped around a Win11 image!

When you go to install this, you will be using the Win10 installer, not Win11, so since you are already running Win10, your PC will pass any and all Win10 installer checks.

When done, you will have Win11 on the PC, not Win10 -- and since you started out with Win10 and are using the Win10 installer, you can do an inplace-update, not a clean-install, and retain your stuff in the process.

scarzy19 · Oct 5, 2021

Thanks, I appreciate the help and will give this a try!

Bree · Oct 5, 2021

scarzy19 said:
I am trying to follow the successful suggestion from Bree and Try3 above, but obviously I am making a mistake somewhere.

My suggestion (and Try3's use of it) was for performing an in-place upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 when running the Setup.exe from within your Windows 10. The appraiserres.dll that I deleted was not the one on the install USB, it was the one that the installer placed in the temporary install folder C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources. A suitable time to delete it is after you have started the upgrade, but before you have accepted the T&Cs.

If you want to boot from the USB and do a clean install there are other workarounds needed. You apparently need to edit a couple of items in the registry while booted from the usb. They are described HERE

scarzy19 · Oct 5, 2021

Thank you very much! This makes sense to me now. I appreciate you providing me more clarification. Thanks again!

Try3 · Oct 6, 2021

scarzy19 said:
I am trying to follow the successful suggestion from Bree and Try3 above, but obviously I am making a mistake somewhere.

This post is not being maintained. As people report difficulties, such as lack of clarity, I am improving the other copy of this post, at
Upgrading with the Windows 11 RTM ISO on a well-below spec computer [my post #266] - ElevenForum

Just to confirm what Bree has posted:-

1 I decided to upgrade from Windows 10 by using the downloaded RTM ISO in a Repair install [In-place upgrade] procedure i.e. mounting the ISO and running its setup.exe.
Windows 11 download link
I set Power options beforehand so the monitor would stay on the whole time and I'd be able to glance over to see how it was getting on.

2 While it was preparing itself, I watched its temporary working folders populate then I deleted
C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\appraiserres.dll
before then responding to the Ready to install dialog.

3 The installation then ran without incident.
I deliberately chose to skip updating during the installation.

4 This procedure worked. My wildly below spec computer now has Windows 11.

Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 22000.194 posted.png

Windows 11 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 22000.194

5 This computer will be my testbed so I will not need to experiment with my main computers. The testbed computer is

Dell Inspiron 1545 [from 2010]

Intel® Celeron® CPU 900 @ 2.20GHz

RAM 3GB

Display driver Mobile Intel® 4 Series Express Chipset Family (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.1)

The update took 3 hours on this non-compliant computer but I was happily getting on with work on one of my main computers so I didn't care how long it took.

Good luck with yours,
Denis

Bree - Again, thanks for the compatibility check bypass [my step 1 above].

cereberus · Oct 6, 2021

blacxarea said:
Meanwhile, I saw there are new custom built "Lite Edition" of Windows 11 everywhere on the internet, aiming for older machines. Some with TPM bypassed and preactivated. A proof for me that high-end requirements only applied for the 100% complete built of Windows 11.

Yeah - right, an unofficial version from unknown sources designed for people whose system does not meet security requirements.

Why not just the guys your banking details as a thankyou?

LeLibran · Oct 6, 2021

Has anyone tried Microsoft's own method (Won't say 'advice' given the warnings)? Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements

Try3 · Oct 6, 2021

LeLibran said:
Has anyone tried Microsoft's own method (Won't say 'advice' given the warnings)? Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements

That MS article might have been written just for the Insider versions. It is undated. Insiders were able to install despite incompatibilities.

Before taking the steps I took to upgrade to the released version [my post #36 above], my upgrade attempts were met with

All the best,
Denis

spapakons · Oct 6, 2021

The good old trick of deleting the appropriate file from setup cache before proceeding also works for the final release version. Just read this thread: Let's run Windows 11 on an incompatible hardware

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