Solved Will TPM module added to my ASUS MB solve Win 11 install?

bobkn · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
I only built my PC last year and mine fails due to the TPM 2.0 requirement.
My motherboard is a GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G. I see that it has a TPM header.
I have never even thought about buying a TPM module before now.
This requirement is gonna knock a lot of PCs out.

(snip)

The TPM module for my motherboard is GC-TPM2.0_S.
Everywhere I look, they are unavailable.

According to the manual, your motherboard supports Intel PTT (platform trusted technology). That's their firmware TPM. Eanble it in the BIOS settings. Run "tpm.mcs" (without the quotes) from Windows. That'll tell you whether it has been activated, and whether it's version 2.0.

Your CPU is 10th gen, and on the supported list. Your system ought to meet all the requirements.

SIW2 · Jun 27, 2021

tpm.msc

Ghot · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
I only built my PC last year and mine fails due to the TPM 2.0 requirement.
My motherboard is a GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G. I see that it has a TPM header.
I have never even thought about buying a TPM module before now.
This requirement is gonna knock a lot of PCs out.

View attachment 942

The TPM module for my motherboard is GC-TPM2.0_S.
Everywhere I look, they are unavailable.

Never heard of this company... but they have U.S. offices...

Ma Labs - Leading Distributor of PC Components, Computer Hardware and Software, Servers, Laptop Systems, Digital Signage, Consumer Electronics and more!

This is the right model number TPM module for your motherboard...
This is the only place that didn't say... Out of Stock or similar.

Their contact numbers, etc...

Ma Labs - Leading Distributor of PC Components, Computer Hardware and Software, Servers, Laptop Systems, Digital Signage, Consumer Electronics and more!

bobkn · Jun 27, 2021

SIW2 said:
tpm.msc

Thanks. Typo.

Stigg · Jun 27, 2021

bobkn said:
According to the manual, your motherboard supports Intel PTT (platform trusted technology). That's their firmware TPM. Eanble it in the BIOS settings. Run "tpm.mcs" (without the quotes) from Windows. That'll tell you whether it has been activated, and whether it's version 2.0.

Your CPU is 10th gen, and on the supported list. Your system ought to meet all the requirements.

Hi Bob.
So are you saying that TPM and PTT is the same thing?

johnlgalt · Jun 27, 2021

Intel says TPM and PTT is the same thing.

Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT): TPM For The Masses

In the last few years, Intel® Platform Trust Technology (PTT) has truly arrived. For years, the last word in securing personal computers, industrial PCs, and servers has been the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) specification. TPM established a set of standards and interfaces that enable system...

www.onlogic.com

Stigg · Jun 27, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Intel says TPM and PTT is the same thing.

Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT): TPM For The Masses

In the last few years, Intel® Platform Trust Technology (PTT) has truly arrived. For years, the last word in securing personal computers, industrial PCs, and servers has been the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) specification. TPM established a set of standards and interfaces that enable system...

www.onlogic.com

Thanks for that info, John and especially Bob.

I am sure there'll be some confusion out there.
And there will probably be people giving up on their computers when all they have to do is to enable it in the BIOS.
Mine wasn't enabled by default, for some reason.

I guess there's no need for the GIGABYTE TPM Module if it already supports the Intel one.
I wonder why they would also include a GIGABYTE TPM Module header when the motherboard supports the Intel one.

johnlgalt · Jun 27, 2021

I read somewhere, and cannot find it now, that Intel (yes, that is what I remember - although They didn't develop TPM, did they? So take my memory with a pund of salt...) open sourced TPM for FW implementation around 2018. Which might be one reason the CPU cutoff is what it is. But, at any rate, newer motherboard should have the ability to make use of firmware-based TPM, but you have to go digging for it - rarely to motherboard manufacturers actually call it TPM.

Well, no, I'm NOT wrong:

Trusted Platform Module - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Footnote links 16 and 17 corroborate what I said.

johnlgalt · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
Thanks for that info, John and especially Bob.

I am sure there'll be some confusion out there.
And there will probably be people giving up on their computers when all they have to do is to enable it in the BIOS.
Mine wasn't enabled by default, for some reason.

I guess there's no need for the GIGABYTE TPM Module if it already supports the Intel one.
I wonder why they would also include a GIGABYTE TPM Module header when the motherboard supports the Intel one.

What you have is not a physical TPM module. It is a firmware TPM.

Read this section of that wikipedia page:

Trusted Platform Module - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stigg · Jun 27, 2021

johnlgalt said:
What you have is not a physical TPM module. It is a firmware TPM.

Read this section of that wikipedia page:

Trusted Platform Module - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is that good enough, or should I try and buy that elusive GIGABYTE TPM Module GC-TPM2.0_S ?

ish4d0w · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
I only built my PC last year and mine fails due to the TPM 2.0 requirement.
My motherboard is a GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G. I see that it has a TPM header.
I have never even thought about buying a TPM module before now.
This requirement is gonna knock a lot of PCs out.

View attachment 942

The TPM module for my motherboard is GC-TPM2.0_S.
Everywhere I look, they are unavailable.

Yes. I hope they change this requirement since most of the desktop PCs don't have a TPM, only notebooks do by default.

Besides: don't worry about failing the check. You're able to install Insider builds until the final version is released. And that is a long time yet to come -- they might even reconsider their mistake, along with banning 7th gen CPUs

ish4d0w · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
Is that good enough, or should I try and buy that elusive GIGABYTE TPM Module GC-TPM2.0_S ?

No it's not good enough. You need a physical TPM module. If you have a free header on your logic board then you probably don't have a TPM installed.

What you found is the firmware, which is a good sign because your board is ready to support the expansion card, bascially.

swarfega · Jun 27, 2021

Thanks to @stormy13 I have now got both motherboards saying TPM ready for use.

ish4d0w · Jun 27, 2021

Can you guys help me out too please? I have a similar question but with a different motherboard.
Let's run Windows 11 on an incompatible hardware

@swarfega

Warre1 · Jun 27, 2021

ish4d0w said:
No it's not good enough. You need a physical TPM module. If you have a free header on your logic board then you probably don't have a TPM installed.

What you found is the firmware, which is a good sign because your board is ready to support the expansion card, bascially.

Yes it is enough: Intel PTT and AMD fTPM fullfill Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement when enabled.

OldMike65 · Jun 27, 2021

Warre1 said:
Yes it is enough: Intel PTT and AMD fTPM fullfill Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement when enabled.

Good answer and Correct answer. :)

johnlgalt · Jun 27, 2021

Stigg said:
Is that good enough, or should I try and buy that elusive GIGABYTE TPM Module GC-TPM2.0_S ?

Yes. firmware TPM is supported by Win 11, as long as it is TPM 2.0.

https://trustedcomputinggroup.org/wp-content/uploads/TPM-2.0-A-Brief-Introduction.pdf

Also, Intel open sourced TPM in 2018. Their 8th gen CPU was released just before that happened, in late 2017. I think that is the reason that older CPUs are not supported by Microsoft - CPUs older than that were not made to be able to suport firmware TPM. AMD's 2017 releases (Ryzen and ThreadRipper gen 1) were before Intel 8th gen, and Intel probably didn't share with AMD that they were about to open source TPM for anyone to develop firmware based TPM for their products.

It also makes it much more understandable how (as others have noticed) 7th gen and 8th gen are very very closely similar lines.

It's what makes the most sense at this point.

Ghot said:
Yeah, I get that.
But I'll keep updating the 1st page of this topic, when we get new info...

Help with passing the Windows 11 Compatibility Checks

A message posted in hte thread that you've updated the first post would be good. If you're already doing that also (like Brink does with driver releases) I apologize - this place has been hectic!

ish4d0w said:
Yes. I hope they change this requirement since most of the desktop PCs don't have a TPM, only notebooks do by default.

Besides: don't worry about failing the check. You're able to install Insider builds until the final version is released. And that is a long time yet to come -- they might even reconsider their mistake, along with banning 7th gen CPUs

Look above - and then realize that TPM is not only a physical layer anymore.

ish4d0w said:
No it's not good enough. You need a physical TPM module. If you have a free header on your logic board then you probably don't have a TPM installed.

What you found is the firmware, which is a good sign because your board is ready to support the expansion card, bascially.

Wrong. See below. And above.

Warre1 said:
Yes it is enough: Intel PTT and AMD fTPM fullfill Windows 11 TPM 2.0 requirement when enabled.

Bingo.

OldMike65 said:
Good answer and Correct answer. :)

Ayup :)

bobkn · Jun 27, 2021

johnlgalt said:
(snip)

Also, Intel open sourced TPM in 2018. Their 8th gen CPU was released just before that happened, in late 2017. I think that is the reason that older CPUs are not supported by Microsoft - CPUs older than that were not made to be able to suport firmware TPM.

johnlgalt said:
(snip)

Plausible, but incorrect. I have a Lenovo laptop with an I3-6100U CPU. (Gen 6.) It has PTT activated in the BIOS settings. (No hardware TPM.) tpm.msc shows it as having TPM, version 2.0.

ish4d0w · Jun 27, 2021

bobkn said:
Plausible, but incorrect. I have a Lenovo laptop with an I3-6100U CPU. (Gen 6.) It has PTT activated in the BIOS settings. (No hardware TPM.) tpm.msc shows it as having TPM, version 2.0.

Didn't TPM get breached a few years ago? If so, why does Microsoft want it so badly? Or was the breach before 2.0?

ish4d0w · Jun 27, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Look above - and then realize that TPM is not only a physical layer anymore.

Wrong. See below. And above.

I see. Thanks!

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