WIN 11 used PIN to often...no MS account...need logon pw


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stevem5000

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Brand new Lenovo lapper....I set up Win 11 with a local account...did NOT set a MS account...
Logged in and worked perfectly for about 3 weeks....

Yesterday login screen says...."you've entered an incorrect PIN several times" and asks for a challenge phrase....

So I need to fix this bugger.....and I don;t see how I can do it short of completely installing W11 again from a bootable flash drive....

Suggestions appreciated.....
PS....PLEASE don't tell me to log into my Microsoft account as there is none....
Thanks
Steve
 
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Should have explained better....
I need a way to crack the logon password...
Unit powers up ok....just cannot log into the laptop due to issue above...
 

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you update bios ?
 

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No I have not updated BIOS.....
The lapper is almost 1 month old....
 

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tried to log in with your Microsoft account
 

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There are ways involving custom boot media. Search for rescue boot media and some of those will have apps include with options to NULL or RESET your Windows password.
 

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stevem5000 said:
Unit powers up ok....just cannot log into the laptop due to issue above...
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One way in would be to enable the built-in Administrator account using Option Five here.....

www.elevenforum.com

Enable or Disable Built-in Administrator Account in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to enable or disable the built-in Administrator account in Windows 11. Windows 11 includes a hidden built-in Administrator account that serves as the local system administrator with elevated rights by default without needing Run as administrator or UAC (User...
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Sign in as Administrator, then you can reset the password of your local account.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
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    0T6M8G
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    8GB
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    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Bree......ooofta...I read thru the step by step process......complicated....gonna study it and try it and I figure if I screw it up I"ll just grab an install W11flash drive and reinstall W11 all over....There is no data on the drive....
 

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    10 and 11 Linux
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    PC/Desktop
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    Asus Z97-ar
    Memory
    16
    Graphics Card(s)
    HIS QP3-41H-A
    Sound Card
    default
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 Dell 22"
    Hard Drives
    M.2 for system M.2 Data and 2 - SATA for photos and music data
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    Yes...I have one
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stevem5000 said:
No I have not updated BIOS.....
The lapper is almost 1 month old....
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Does Lenovo have installed software that checks for Lenovo updates ? If not, go to the Lenovo site and check for bios and other updates. Windows updates current ?

Also, have you tried a System Restore since sign-in worked for 3 wks ?
 

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    Win11 Ver 24H2 26100.2033
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    Intel i5
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    8gb
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    256gb
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
csun said:
Does Lenovo have installed software that checks for Lenovo updates ? If not, go to the Lenovo site and check for bios and other updates. Windows updates current ?

Also, have you tried a System Restore since sign-in worked for 3 wks ?
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How is @stevem5000 supposed to do that when he cannot log into his computer?

Other than doing a clean install, @Bree's answer in post #8 is the best.
 

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    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
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    32GB
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    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
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    Windows 11 Education
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    Dell Inspiron 7773
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    Intel i7-8550U
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    32GB
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    Nvidia Geforce MX150
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    Realtek
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    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
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stevem5000 said:
Bree......ooofta...I read thru the step by step process......complicated....gonna study it and try it and I figure if I screw it up I"ll just grab an install W11flash drive and reinstall W11 all over....There is no data on the drive....
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Steve,

Since there is no data worth speaking of [and, I assume, no burden of loading & re-setting up lots of applications], I think that is your best bet.

After you complete the reinstallation, make an additional local, Admin, password-protected user account and write its password down somewhere secure yet accessible. You'll be able to use that to log in if your day-to-day user account ever gets corrupted in the future.
There is guidance in my ditty - Create two spare local, password-protected Admin accounts [post #2] in Windows 10, 11- TenForums


Best of luck,
Denis


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Loots of good information coming in.....heck this is better than Experts-Exchange that I paid $200/year for for about 12 years....

Just tested my Win 11 install from flash drive and it looks to be good.......this lapper will NOT boot from a CD...I have several pw crackers on CD....

Years ago...XP days I used to put an additional admin account on my clients computers....then I stopped doing it...don;'t really know why but I have been flumfloxed by W11 several times and that additional admin account would be great......Will do so in future....

I like that tutorial index idea...looking into that.....

Almost all my clients are home users.....no real demands on me....I don;t have to screw around with an Exchange server in the living room etc...:)

Continuing to persue this laptop issue...

thanks everyone for all the suggestions....
 

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  • OS
    10 and 11 Linux
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    PC/Desktop
    Motherboard
    Asus Z97-ar
    Memory
    16
    Graphics Card(s)
    HIS QP3-41H-A
    Sound Card
    default
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 Dell 22"
    Hard Drives
    M.2 for system M.2 Data and 2 - SATA for photos and music data
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    Yes...I have one
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    650 both ways
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Windows continues to contain a normally-disabled built-in Admin account but having a spare one of your own instead is far less hassle.
And MS reserve the right to change the behaviour of the Built-in Admin account without making any announcement about it or acknowledging it in their published documentation [the last time a change was discovered by users was about three years ago].

Enable or Disable Built-in Administrator Account - ElevenForumTutorials
BiA is just an Admin - my post #8 - ElevenForum

Denis
 

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So...read thru all your comments and links....
I read thru Brees #8 several times....decided I want to work on that one with a spare....not a customers...laptop when I have time...
So downloaded Win11 made a flash drive boot and booted the laptop and installed W11....
When I set this laptop up about a month ago I was able to set a Local Account....but this time I was forced into a Microsoft Account....

In past W11's I've done when the screen says "Let's connect to an internet".....Shift F10 takes you to CMD....then Taskmgr brings a screen...hit More Details then find Network Connection Flow...End Task...Close Task Manager and Win 11 setup wull skip the connection step and you can create a local user account....

This time none of this worked.....so default to Microsoft account.....

Has anyone found a way to setup a local account not that MS prevents it...???

So long story short.....the laptop is setup and ready to go.....

Many thanks to all....
 

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  • OS
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    PC/Desktop
    Motherboard
    Asus Z97-ar
    Memory
    16
    Graphics Card(s)
    HIS QP3-41H-A
    Sound Card
    default
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 Dell 22"
    Hard Drives
    M.2 for system M.2 Data and 2 - SATA for photos and music data
    PSU
    Yes...I have one
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    Now sure
    Internet Speed
    650 both ways
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stevem5000 said:
Has anyone found a way to setup a local account
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Yes, read this thread.

What is "oobe\bypassnro"

When installing Windows 11, if you want to get around having to connect to the internet and login with a MS account, you can enter the command prompt and run: oobe\bypassnro I always thought oobe was the command and \bypassnro was an option switch, and I found it completely odd there was no...
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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Clearly, MS account and pins are the easiest solutions. Otherwise, the problem will not arise in the first place. Just a thought.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
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    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    500GB Adata SSD (OS Only)
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)
Denis...thanks for the link....
This process is similar to what I was doing....
Will try this on the next install...
Thanks...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    10 and 11 Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Motherboard
    Asus Z97-ar
    Memory
    16
    Graphics Card(s)
    HIS QP3-41H-A
    Sound Card
    default
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 Dell 22"
    Hard Drives
    M.2 for system M.2 Data and 2 - SATA for photos and music data
    PSU
    Yes...I have one
    Case
    Now sure
    Internet Speed
    650 both ways
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Win Defender
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