Insider Windows 11 Insider Canary build 27764.1000 - Dec. 11

Fabler2 · Dec 16, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
This looks pretty nasty.

Too bad this workaround showed up a little late for me.

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Time to get out of insiders for me.

jimbo45 · Dec 17, 2024

Canary build working OK here so far on a VM -- no issues yet - easy install too from UUPDUMP as I did a clean install. Snipping tool also working properly. No Audio / Video issues even as a VM.

cheers
jimbo

Almighty1 · Dec 17, 2024

@jimbo45 and others - when you run Canary on a VM - how many virtual processors do you give it? Is there a rule of thumb like on a i8750H? This is running under a Windows Beta Hyper-V.

cereberus · Dec 17, 2024

Almighty1 said:
@jimbo45 and others - when you run Canary on a VM - how many virtual processors do you give it? Is there a rule of thumb like on a i8750H? This is running under a Windows Beta Hyper-V.

Not really - trade off - not enough VM may run slow. Too many Host may run slow.

I always just give the maximum I can but theoretically I can reduce it if any Host issues (very rare).

It all depends on speed of CPU, how much RAM VM can have etc.

OAT · Dec 17, 2024

Almighty1 said:
@jimbo45 and others - when you run Canary on a VM - how many virtual processors do you give it? Is there a rule of thumb like on a i8750H? This is running under a Windows Beta Hyper-V.

Hey @Almightly1,

I have the same processor on which I run VMs. As stated above there are many factors to consider.
If I am only running one VM on the host, I give it 50% (so 6 logicals (3 cores * 2) if Windows.
If it's Linux it runs well with 4 logicals.
I also try not to run too many processes on the host while running a VM.

Almighty1 · Dec 17, 2024

Thanks @cereberus and @OAT - I have 32GB of RAM, probably will be 64GB in the near future. I have mines set to 2 and without running anything else besides what Windows installs, it seems very slow whenever there is a new build that comes out. The only thing I run is either Windows Update, Microsoft Store or EDGE and for all of those, it's just to update Windows, apps and EDGE itself.

cereberus · Dec 17, 2024

Almighty1 said:
Thanks @cereberus and @OAT - I have 32GB of RAM, probably will be 64GB in the near future. I have mines set to 2 and without running anything else besides what Windows installs, it seems very slow whenever there is a new build that comes out. The only thing I run is either Windows Update, Microsoft Store or EDGE and for all of those, it's just to
update Windows, apps and EDGE itself.

I never use less than 4.

Almighty1 · Dec 17, 2024

@cereberus - How many cores is your processor? Am I correct a virtual processor is basically 1 core?

jimbo45 · Dec 18, 2024

@Almighty1

Host running on a small minipc --hardware as per screenshot --

VM -- Windows 11 IOT Enterprise pro Canary -- 8GB RAM, 4v CPU's 1GPU, 1 very fast USB->Wifi link -- plenty of spare USB ports on the miniPC !!! --using also emulated TPM

Using the wifi USB device saves a lot of meddling around with networks and network bridging -- also makes the VM accessible from host, LAN,remote TV etc etc. Performance is fine especially if using VIRTIO for disk I/O and all on a decent nvme type device.

cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Dec 18, 2024

Almighty1 said:
@cereberus - How many cores is your processor? Am I correct a virtual processor is basically 1 core?

Well bit more complicated. I have an i9 and that has P (powerful) cores plus E ((low) energy) cores.

The P cores do power crunching e.g. running apps needing a lot of cpu power, but the E cores do low energy background activities e.g. running services etc.

When running on host, Windows takes care of it all for you

When running a Hyper-V vm, it does not seem to differentiate and I do not know how it works. I just increase the number of virtual processors (8 ok, 9 not ok) until it complains number is beyond limit of virtual processors per NUMA mode (8) and then set it to 8.

As I have 14 actual cores (6P, 8E), I cannot say how Hyper-V allocates these as virtual processors. I believe a hyper-V vm just allocates maximum of 8 virtual processors and the actual underlying hypervisor chooses P, E cores as required.

There are lots of websites (allegedly) explaining such stuff but tbh, it just goes over my head really.

So my strategy is simply to maximise number of cores and pare back if needed.

As I seem to have more cores than Hyper-V can use, I never seen to get Host issues.

In the end, I think it comes down to trial and error to find an optimum number of cores to select.

This is a good article

Hyper-V Virtual CPUs Explained

A deep-dive into how Hyper-V handles guest virtual CPUs (vCPUs) and related subjects such as processor scheduling, affinity, ratios, hyper-threading, & more

www.altaro.com

Linkpa · Dec 18, 2024

Can we hope have a new update tonight or in the next few days?

I think there will be a two-week break for the Christmas holidays

cute two · Dec 18, 2024

Linkpa said:
Can we hope have a new update tonight or in the next few days?

I think there will be a two-week break for the Christmas holidays

Too many builds
Too little new features.

Linkpa · Dec 18, 2024

cute two said:
Too many builds
Too little new features.

Maybe we can, next year, have the possibility to test and construct Windows 12 with futures builds

cereberus · Dec 18, 2024

Linkpa said:
Maybe we can, next year, have the possibility to test and construct Windows 12 with futures builds

Pretty sure Windows 12 as a simple successor to W11 will not appear next year.

When it arrives it will be an Artificial Idiot OS and you will become part of the Borg Collective.

cute two · Dec 18, 2024

The best feature for me is to make reminder from the Taskbar calendar. It was in Windows 10. Here it is :

Almighty1 · Dec 18, 2024

cereberus said:
Well bit more complicated. I have an i9 and that has P (powerful) cores plus E ((low) energy) cores.

The P cores do power crunching e.g. running apps needing a lot of cpu power, but the E cores do low energy background activities e.g. running services etc.

When running on host, Windows takes care of it all for you

When running a Hyper-V vm, it does not seem to differentiate and I do not know how it works. I just increase the number of virtual processors (8 ok, 9 not ok) until it complains number is beyond limit of virtual processors per NUMA mode (8) and then set it to 8.

As I have 14 actual cores (6P, 8E), I cannot say how Hyper-V allocates these as virtual processors. I believe a hyper-V vm just allocates maximum of 8 virtual processors and the actual underlying hypervisor chooses P, E cores as required.

There are lots of websites (allegedly) explaining such stuff but tbh, it just goes over my head really.

So my strategy is simply to maximise number of cores and pare back if needed.

As I seem to have more cores than Hyper-V can use, I never seen to get Host issues.

In the end, I think it comes down to trial and error to find an optimum number of cores to select.

This is a good article

Hyper-V Virtual CPUs Explained

A deep-dive into how Hyper-V handles guest virtual CPUs (vCPUs) and related subjects such as processor scheduling, affinity, ratios, hyper-threading, & more

www.altaro.com

Thanks for that as that is one of my future questions when I actually have something that actually has both P and E cores. What would actually happen on a Hyper-V that has a CPU with only P cores like 8 cores as a example, would it make the host slow if one gave it 8 virtual processors? The only reason for the 2 cores is because I think all the guides seem to say to use 2 to start but never said how to determine the best # of cores to use for best performance without slowing the host side. Will read the article but it seems like the virtual processor isn't really processors but more threads or processes for the Hyper-V itself.

Thanks as well @jimbo45!

Linkpa · Dec 18, 2024

Why the Dev channel have more updates that give more features than us ?

Brink · Dec 19, 2024

No more Insiders builds for the rest of 2024.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869443735383412848

skiiiew · Dec 21, 2024

magilla said:
For second time, both of my computers have crashed upon rebooting following canary install. Both computers have been running canary since its inception but it appears I’ll have to remove canary partition from both computers based on these last two crashed installs. Now I’ll have to spend hours getting my computers up and running again as I did last week. Seems like something happens when second part of update fails to release boot back to system, keeping it for canary use only. Then boot record gets corrupted .

I saw this is posted by other people, but there is this issue (in the end, very quickly fixed):

ADDED 12/16] After installing Build 27764, some Windows Insiders are reporting hitting the issue that previously impacted the Dev Channel where an “Your organization used App Control for Business to block this app” dialog is shown when attempting to use or install certain third-party apps on your PC due to an incorrect policy being enforced. This forum post provides a workaround to correct this issue.

In fact, some policies are added to the EFI partition... and I'm thinking it may happen when you have some dual boot (like I have Windows 11 and Windows Server on the same machine); others had no issue, but no dual boot. Also, the one with this issue is "controlled by my organization," where I am one... Not the organization I work for...

In your case, maybe this happened, and you're out of space? but you can rebuild and repair all that without reinstalling... I could reach the boot menu (so, no need for a USB key with storage drivers and having to use my BitLocker recovery key).

I understand the frustration. Since October 2014, with the first Win 10 Insider build, I had to do a few rollbacks; sometimes a build would not finish installing and rolled back itself, or other times it usually involved Nvidia drivers, or at least there was no video output, so the same issue happened after a second install. In recovery, I deleted the drivers... that's it. Another time, I could not get new builds anymore. I did all I could, but I had to reinstall Windows, and I'm not at all used to doing that anymore. I did not forget, but with OneDrive and Winget and other package managers—and the list of "packages" saved by WingetUI—my app configs were saved on OneDrive too. And all the settings are synced with my MS account... It is very easy and quick to reinstall...
But with 2 PCs in parallel, not the same for 10 years, I maybe did around 500 upgrades... a handful caused some minor issues... so 2 PCs crashing is a statistical anomaly... Hope you'll manage to fix this !

fg2001gf11F · Dec 22, 2024

skiiiew said:
I saw this is posted by other people, but there is this issue (in the end, very quickly fixed):

In fact, some policies are added to the EFI partition... and I'm thinking it may happen when you have some dual boot (like I have Windows 11 and Windows Server on the same machine); others had no issue, but no dual boot. Also, the one with this issue is "controlled by my organization," where I am one... Not the organization I work for...

In your case, maybe this happened, and you're out of space? but you can rebuild and repair all that without reinstalling... I could reach the boot menu (so, no need for a USB key with storage drivers and having to use my BitLocker recovery key).

I understand the frustration. Since October 2014, with the first Win 10 Insider build, I had to do a few rollbacks; sometimes a build would not finish installing and rolled back itself, or other times it usually involved Nvidia drivers, or at least there was no video output, so the same issue happened after a second install. In recovery, I deleted the drivers... that's it. Another time, I could not get new builds anymore. I did all I could, but I had to reinstall Windows, and I'm not at all used to doing that anymore. I did not forget, but with OneDrive and Winget and other package managers—and the list of "packages" saved by WingetUI—my app configs were saved on OneDrive too. And all the settings are synced with my MS account... It is very easy and quick to reinstall...
But with 2 PCs in parallel, not the same for 10 years, I maybe did around 500 upgrades... a handful caused some minor issues... so 2 PCs crashing is a statistical anomaly... Hope you'll manage to fix this !

I have 2 machines, with Canary, one is Dual Boot and the other is Multi Boot with 3 systems. All windows 11 Pro Insider Builds. On one of the 2 machines had this problem while on the other I did not.

See this MS post below for a workaround:

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