Would you buy from the first batch of Windows 11 computers?

NavyLCDR · Jul 15, 2021

So far nothing that I have read or researched has said anything about how TPM makes a computer more secure unless the drive is physically separated from the TPM protecting it. If someone steals my whole desktop or laptop computer, or hacks into it over a network connection, how is TPM going to be a security benefit? I have not found that answer anywhere.

And I guess you are telling me to go find out for myself because you don't have that answer.

Dru2 · Jul 15, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
And I guess you are telling me to go find out for myself because you don't have that answer.

At the end of the day you couldn't find the answer either :)

Peace

badrobot · Jul 16, 2021

I think you are all guys focusing on what TPM can do for us users. If it is really worth anything for us regular users, we would have used it years ago. I personally believe MS will benefit more on this feature than us. And it is not just about securing a drive. It is about digital rights management, software license control, etc.

Dru2 · Jul 16, 2021

badrobot said:
I personally believe MS will benefit more on this feature than us. And it is not just about securing a drive. It is about digital rights management, software license control, etc.

I'm don't disagree with that at all. It's just most know it for its "current" use as a component of drive encryption... mainly BitLocker.

As stated in a previous post, I suspect Microsoft has grander schemes in mind now.

Haydon · Jul 16, 2021

Yeah, my guess is that Microsoft plans to incrementally raise the security baseline for a billion devices with TPM as their chosen vehicle. Something like: first 1% TPM feature utilization, just to make things work, then 2% TPM feature utilization, etc. How exactly they are going to execute such a plan is anybody's guess.

It will appear to me though, especially if you have the Pro version of Windows, something like 10% TPM feature utilization is not difficult to do at all, at least for a device count of 1

PerpetualCycle · Jul 17, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
So far nothing that I have read or researched has said anything about how TPM makes a computer more secure unless the drive is physically separated from the TPM protecting it. If someone steals my whole desktop or laptop computer, or hacks into it over a network connection, how is TPM going to be a security benefit? I have not found that answer anywhere.

And I guess you are telling me to go find out for myself because you don't have that answer.

Providing for encryption with bitlocker is not the primary scope of TPM. It is to aid in the secure boot process. That is good for you. It assures the integrity of the system from the hardware on up through the boot process. Software by itself can't do this as securely because it can be compromised.

Fabler2 · Jul 17, 2021

TPM

Haydon · Jul 17, 2021

I did not watch the video, it looks a bit like sensationalism

But indeed, a poor implementation of TPM (in the first batch and beyond) may make a refresh of the Windows 11 OS less than smooth, for example. And that is something that a user would notice :eek:

On the other hand, Edge may store passwords more securely in the TPM, for example, and the security difference is something that a user may not notice

Just to bring the topic back to buying a Windows 11 computer from the first batch

I think the basic trade-off is between having a better OS early :) and a (small) risk that not everything is done right the first time around

johnlgalt · Jul 17, 2021

Nope.

But, then again, I don't buy machines very often. My current work laptop is under warranty until 2023, so....still nope.

bobcollard · Jul 17, 2021

I would buy a new computer if "Windows 11 Pro is installed" and it had all the bells and whistles including 32 G RAM, NVME 1 G system drive, 1TB HD for backup, a Bluray Disc drive and anything else available. LOL

GaryW · Jul 18, 2021

NO - What I have will run W11, if not directly, then as a VM. I will upgrade or by new, only when something comes along that I'm convinced I need that won't run properly on my current equipment.

SIW2 · Jul 18, 2021

These technologies don't exist in desktop versions of Windows 10 yet. A complex set of changes is required to the Windows kernel to allow full isolation, redirection, and virtualization. It potentially breaks application compatibility, and the apps may need to be re-architected to take advantage of it.

How containers will transform Windows 10 in the next three years

Microsoft Azure is full of container technology. In the next few years, containers are going to play a key role in how you use Windows on the desktop.

www.zdnet.com

Winuser · Jul 18, 2021

I think the question should be, If you needed a new computer/laptop would you buy one with Windows 10 or Windows 11 preinstalled. I would definitely go with one with Windows 11 preinstalled.

PerpetualCycle · Jul 18, 2021

I would go for one with the best and most up-to-date hardware that Windows 11 supports. If it had Windows 10 then I would simply upgrade it to 11 if that is what I wanted.

Dru2 · Jul 18, 2021

geneo said:
I would go for one with the best and most up-to-date hardware that Windows 11 supports. If it had Windows 10 then I would simply upgrade it to 11 if that is what I wanted.

I actually did that with Vista - built a rig with Vista in mind.

Anyway, my next build won't be for a couple of years; but since my current rig fully supports 11, so I don't have to worry about upgrading :)

clam1952 · Jul 19, 2021

No need to buy new at present, 2 out of 4 PCs are now compliant and other than a 3000 series GPU that I won't get until the prices have stopped being extortionate I will be sticking with what I have, one may get an upgrade in the next couple of years, no rush, the fourth one will get Linux on it as my Athlon Linux box's motherboard has given up, that's of course assuming Linux distros don't follow Microsofts lead with TPM. Old Phenom II X6 1090T, does run Win10 nicely though.

BunnyJ · Jul 19, 2021

I've been going back and forth on this.. I plan on an upgrade this year so I'll do it to boost the performance of my PC not to make it compatible with Win 11. If later on I choose to use 11 then I'll be set to implement it. But the main goal is overall performance.

Wynona · Jul 19, 2021

I don't have to buy a Windows 11 computer, since both my HP desktops (one at home and one at the Senior Activity Center for teaching purposes) and my 17" HP Laptop can all run Windows 11. :)

unifex · Jul 19, 2021

I don't buy PCs, I build them. My current machine is half-year old, runs Windows 11 without a hitch. No need to buy anything. On the other hand, the next laptop I buy (once the current ones die) will most certainly have Windows 11 preinstalled.

Dru2 · Jul 19, 2021

unifex said:
I don't buy PCs, I build them. My current machine is half-year old, runs Windows 11 without a hitch. No need to buy anything. On the other hand, the next laptop I buy (once the current ones die) will most certainly have Windows 11 preinstalled.

I don't "buy PCs" as well since I also build my own. However, I've yet to find a PC store where I can buy parts to build my own laptops. Maybe that's why "I buy them" :)

Anyway, not everyone builds. Perhaps that's why some buy? Just an observation

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