Microsoft is blocking Windows 11 build upgrades on systems with StartAllBack

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

Edwin said:
"My way or the highway" comes to mind!

Now you did it. MS is going to have to pull their programmers away from their projects until they can come up with a decent My Way or the Highway emoji.

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

Edwin said:
I use SAB, QTTabBar and a couple other small utilities..., if any of those stop working, I'll be p*ssed!
I've tried working within the native W11 Explorer, it pretty much brings my productivity to a grinding halt!

I know that I can get use to the Taskbar being on the bottom. The thing is that I don't want too.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Edwin said:
"My way or the highway" comes to mind!

I won’t go int to why I think this, but their house their rules is my stance on it.
Windows is ever evolving, we are and will always be forever trying to catch up. Secretly, we love it.

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
... we are and will always be forever trying to catch up.

Backwards maybe!

antspants said:
Secretly, we love it.

To be honest, I'm growing weary of it!

Wynona · Apr 7, 2024

Wolfzz said:
Looks like they are going after Explorer Patcher too

This app can't run on this device · Issue #3088 · valinet/ExplorerPatcher

"this app can't run because it causes performance or system issues" -disabled program compatibility services and restarted 10.0.26100.1 canary branch insider preview note: I did have to uninstall b...

github.com

Explorer Patcher is well known to have issues when a new Build of Windows 11 is released; mostly when a "Windows 11 Preview" is released.

IIRC, the EP developer has stated he releases new versions for Windows 11 general release rather than for Previews.

I tried it and don't use EP, but for those who do use it, I hope you're wrong and that MS leaves it alone.

Wynona · Apr 7, 2024

Lamberto Vitali said:
You accept that nonsense? It's in my possession, it belongs to me.

Startallback should sue MS and make millions. Wanna play silly legal games eh?

'Fraid not . . . There are specific clause(s) that state you only have a license to use the software.

I believe there's even a clause that states you do not have the right to reverse engineer Windows.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Wynona said:
'Fraid not . . . There are specific clause(s) that state you only have a license to use the software.

I believe there's even a clause that states you do not have the right to reverse engineer Windows.

Or hack

And I personally believe these apps are included in these terms:
(And these aren't the only terms, Microsoft, for some reason, have them spread out across multiple agreements)

Restrictions. The device manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. For example, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not:

(i) use or virtualize features of the software separately;

(ii) publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent, lease, or lend the software;

(iii) transfer the software (except as permitted by this agreement);

(iv) work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the software;

(v) use the software as server software, for commercial hosting, make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network, install the software on a server and allow users to access it remotely, or install the software on a device for use only by remote users;

(vi) reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software, or attempt to do so, except and only to the extent that the foregoing restriction is (a) permitted by applicable law; (b) permitted by licensing terms governing the use of open-source components that may be included with the software; or (c) required to debug changes to any libraries licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License which are included with and linked to by the software

Wynona · Apr 7, 2024

Edwin said:
I use SAB, QTTabBar and a couple other small utilities..., if any of those stop working, I'll be p*ssed!
I've tried working within the native W11 Explorer, it pretty much brings my productivity to a grinding halt!

And I have made a specific choice to use Windows 11 without any add-ins that change the way Windows 11 works.

That said, I do use third party apps like Unchecky, Speccy, Firefox, Backup apps (Macrium, Aomei, Hasleo), Screenpresso, etc.

I can generally do whatever I need to do without any complications.

anyname · Apr 7, 2024

Today April 7 SAB worked beautifully immed after installation (Win11 23H2). Thereafter no way to run SAB.
Same scenario yesterday, reason for which I uninstalled /reinstalled today.

Wynona · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
Or hack And I personally believe these apps are included in these terms:
(And these aren't the only terms, Microsoft, for some reason, have them spread out across multiple agreements)

Restrictions. The device manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. For example, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not:

(i) use or virtualize features of the software separately;

(ii) publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent, lease, or lend the software;

(iii) transfer the software (except as permitted by this agreement);

(iv) work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the software;

(v) use the software as server software, for commercial hosting, make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network, install the software on a server and allow users to access it remotely, or install the software on a device for use only by remote users;

(vi) reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software, or attempt to do so, except and only to the extent that the foregoing restriction is (a) permitted by applicable law; (b) permitted by licensing terms governing the use of open-source components that may be included with the software; or (c) required to debug changes to any libraries licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License which are included with and linked to by the software

Thanks, @antspants. I've read the license agreement before and didn't want to go back to list the particulars.

I will say one more thing though . . . Microsoft has spent gazillions of bucks to develop Windows from 3.0 (where I started) to Windows 11. There is no way they're going to give away the rights to their intellectual property for a mere $150.00 or so.

I didn't buy the program . . . I rented/leased it for my use.

Steve C · Apr 8, 2024

I have no issues using Open Shell!

andrew129260 · Apr 8, 2024

Wynona said:
That said, I do use third party apps like Unchecky, Speccy, Firefox, Backup apps (Macrium, Aomei, Hasleo), Screenpresso, etc.

Isn't unchecky not supported anymore? I thought it wasn't being updated. As I understood it, it needs to be updated to know the different installers to work on. It was an awesome program.

Looks like they were bought by reason software, but their other programs like should I remove it? they had that are also not updated anymore but all of the websites are still up. Strange

Berton · Apr 8, 2024

Wynona said:
I will say one more thing though . . . Microsoft has spent gazillions of bucks to develop Windows from 3.0 (where I started) to Windows 11. There is no way they're going to give away the rights to their intellectual property for a mere $150.00 or so.

I didn't buy the program . . . I rented/leased it for my use.

@Wynona

Perzactly.

I started with MS-DOS 5 and Win3.1 back in '92, retired 2 years later and started new career in a computer store. I've had machines with every version from WinNT 3.5, 4 and 2000, also Win95, 98, 98SE, XP, 7, 10, 11. Only ones I worked on that I didn't own a computer for were Vista and ME.

If I couldn't abide by the EULA for Windows I could always change everything possible over to Linux but that may not work for everyone since we all do things differently. I do use Linux for a few things Windows can't do easily.

Having had a Mac OS X I do like cross-platform programs, particularly the free ones.

News item on MSN News this morning with my first cup of coffee:

MSN

dacrone · Apr 8, 2024

it is because they are, as stated by the Microsoft emp in a quote a few pages back, removing the old taskbar completely in the future. i stated this like 6+ months ago and pretty sure tihiy responded when i tagged/asked if sab would still be functional when that happens. AT THAT TIME, the response was no. we shall see...
no use in getting riled up about this matter. if it is removed, someone will develop software to do what the masses want... they always do... always

Berton · Apr 8, 2024

dacrone said:
it is because they are, as stated by the Microsoft emp in a quote a few pages back, removing the old taskbar completely in the future. i stated this like 6+ months ago and pretty sure tihiy responded when i tagged/asked if sab would still be functional when that happens. AT THAT TIME, the response was no. we shall see...
no use in getting riled up about this matter. if it is removed, someone will depvelop software to do what the masses want... they always do... always

You must be psychic, Linux Mint with XFCE Desktop appears to be very close to Windows in the Taskbar area.

dacrone · Apr 8, 2024

nah. i just learned to read at a very young age and exceled at it.

jimbo45 · Apr 8, 2024

Kees said:
I think the real reason is that StartAllBack is being developed in a country that's at war at the moment.
Not that I really believe this program would be used by the government of that country and surely not for the things I do on my computer. But I could imagine that the government of the USA has worries about it and has ordered Microsoft to block the program.

Edit: textcorrections (beeing -> being, beleave -> believe)

c'mon - get real

Ms wants Windows to be available to the largest number of users whether corporate or private -- deliberately blocking apps isn't what Ms is about -- and there's nothing wrong with Ms blocking an app if it (as it seems to) crashes windows -- I'm sure if the developer fixes it then the block will be lifted.

And as for Russians, Chinese, N.Koreans or whatever --there's plenty of tech people who just want to make some money to improve a lot of their miserable lives -- not everybody in those jurisdictions is an enemy agent wanting to bring down the West.

Some Brits might find some of the antics done by such an august institution as The Bank of England has wrecked their economy more than the combined might of N.Korea, Iran, China and even the govt. Even an amateur statistician will point out the facts that the typical Horse Racing tipster in the Sun Newspaper (hardly an oracle of a distingushed seat of learning) is far more reliable in its forecasts than highly paid official from the Bank of England and the Office of National statistics.

On this one I'm on the side of Microsoft.

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Apr 8, 2024

Winuser said:
Yes it is. In fact we got a better understanding of how we use the words Has and Had.

Has had had its day or do we hark back to days when had had was often used or has had had been deprecated?

cereberus · Apr 8, 2024

Winuser said:
Now you did it. MS is going to have to pull their programmers away from their projects until they can come up with a decent My Way or the Highway emoji.

I have a few regrets about that.

Berton · Apr 8, 2024

The bottom line in all this is that Windows, Linux, Macintosh and maybe others are just like learning to drive a car or learning to do a job, have to get to learn it to use it. You'll note I left out marriage, that's the hardest to properly learn, still working at that after more than 60 years.