A Strange "c" File with No Extension Keeps Appearing After Deletion but Not After Renaming It


So, maybe we're back to square one again about the origin of the file, I'm thinking?
Maybe. If the files had the same created date and time I think that would be better indication that they are related.

Have you considered setting up a watcher script?
 

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Maybe. If the files had the same created date and time I think that would be better indication that they are related.
My c file has the same 'modified' date/time as the creation date/time of the two .xml files. Those two are definitely part of windows servicing, being in the C:\Windows\Panther folder. My thinking is that c already existed from a previous servicing event, reflected by its creation date, and therefore this time round it was modified rather than created, even though what was written to it, the backslash, was the same as the previous time.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
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    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Maybe. If the files had the same created date and time I think that would be better indication that they are related.
@LesFerch You see, I've messed around with that file for quite a few days prior to then, so I'm sure I modified it's original created date and time (rename [extension] delete, restore, backup, delete [again], rinse and repeat). It also got to the point where I'd delete it the .bak file renamed, and then upon deleting that file because I figured maybe it's not something major, a new one when then generate shortly thereafter. But I would also assume that would've modified the xml files in Panther folder as well, wouldn't it if they are somehow connected? Maybe they have, because those panther xml files referred to earlier by @Bree have a modified date of 1/5/25 on my system, which was around the same time I was playing around with the file and would regenerate, or I'd rename it to .disabled, etc. I've been pretty much messing around with the file for the past week or so. Thank you for the script as well, going to look into this and set it up. Odd how some have it, others don't.
 

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    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
Or, you know, Sysmon. 😉
Sysmon (System Monitor) is a Windows system service and device driver developed by Microsoft Sysinternals. It's designed to monitor and log system activity to the Windows event log. Here are some key features:
  • Process Monitoring: Logs process creation with full command line for both current and parent processes.
  • File Monitoring: Records the hash of process image files and logs changes to file creation times.
  • Network Monitoring: Optionally logs network connections, including source process, IP addresses, port numbers, and hostnames.
  • Driver Monitoring: Logs loading of drivers or DLLs with their signatures and hashes.
  • Boot Monitoring: Generates events from early in the boot process to capture activity made by sophisticated kernel-mode malware.
Sysmon is commonly used for detecting malicious or anomalous activity on a system by collecting and analyzing the events it generates. It's a powerful tool for security professionals and system administrators.
 

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Have you considered setting up a watcher script?
Or, you know, Sysmon. 😉

Or an Audit policy. Turn on 'Audit File System'.....

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Then audit the c file for activities by the 'likely suspects', SYSTEM and NT Service\TrustedInstaller

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
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    8GB
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
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    0T6M8G
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    8GB
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    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
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    1366x768
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    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
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    Defender
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Or, you know, Sysmon
Sysmon at this point looks like a better option as it installs itself as part of the boot process and survives reboots. However, will this tie in the connection of the "c" file and what application/ file it's part of? At this point, I don't think it's a malware that I or others are dealing with. I do believe it's tied in with MS or an MS app (edge perhaps?), or at the very least the WU service, but that still doesn't explain why some have it, and others don't - is it different flighting of insider builds, different editions of Windows 11, etc. I will give Sysmon a try as well through. Because this is just bothering the heck out of me. Per ChatGPT, I asked "What is the Panther folder in the windows directory of Windows 11? I've noticed a new folder called NewOS?" and found that in an earlier conversation on modified/ created xml files on this thread that:


"The Panther folder in the Windows directory of a Windows system is related to the Windows installation process. It is primarily used during system upgrades, installations, or major updates to store logs and temporary files. This folder is particularly helpful for diagnosing issues during Windows installations or upgrades, as it contains logs that detail each step of the process.


Logs Found in the Panther Folder​


Common log files in this folder include:


  • Setupact.log: Tracks actions taken during setup.
  • Setuperr.log: Logs errors encountered during the setup process.
  • CompatData files: Contain compatibility-related information when upgrading Windows.

"NewOS" Folder​


The NewOS folder is likely created during an operating system upgrade or a major update to Windows. It often serves as a placeholder or working directory for files required for the new version of the OS being installed. For example:


  • It may hold temporary files or installation data for the new operating system while the upgrade is in progress.
  • Once the update or upgrade is completed successfully, this folder might remain if cleanup operations don’t delete it.

If you notice these folders, it usually means that:


  1. A major Windows update or upgrade has been recently attempted or completed.
  2. Diagnostic information is stored there to aid in troubleshooting if the update/upgrade fails.

You can review the logs in these folders to check for issues or simply verify that the installation was successful. However, unless you need to troubleshoot a problem, it is usually safe to leave these folders as they are. If you're low on disk space, and the upgrade completed successfully, you can back up and delete them, though caution is recommended."

Hence, that's why I believe it to be the reason why I was able to get the new features last night after restoring the "c" file immediately right after I the restored of the "c" file (of course, with a crash that followed). I didn't have those new features prior to then (coincidence?). However, I'm not sure of it's association with the WU service itself....Is it a marker of who gets new features and who doesn't? Is it a left over? That's where I'm at now.
 

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    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
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    Acer Aspire C24-1700
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    16 GB
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    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
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  • Once the update or upgrade is completed successfully, this folder might remain if cleanup operations don’t delete it.
So, with my last post in mind, could this also be a remnant of a cleanup? If so, why is it there on some PC's and not on others?
 

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    Windows 11 Professional 24H2; Linux Mint
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    Acer
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    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
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    Acer Aspire C24-1700
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Video Card: Intel Arc UHD Graphics (Alder Lake-P 282 GT2) - Integrated Graphics Controller [ACER]
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    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
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    Acer [Unknown Model: ACR40B0]
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    SSD: WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1114
    SSD: TEAM TM8PS7512G
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Random question:
Everyone who has a 'c' file, did you recently upgrade Windows, or last perform a clean install? Same thing for everyone who doesn't have a 'c' file.
 

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Random question:
Everyone who has a 'c' file, did you recently upgrade Windows, or last perform a clean install? Same thing for everyone who doesn't have a 'c' file.
Upgrades were the first thing I suspected, but neither the creation date or the modified date of the c file on any of my machines matched any of their Feature Update dates. Cumulative updates were next on my list, but none of those matched either.

As for a clean install, a recent clean install of 24H2 is my only machine that doesn't have this c file, as I said in post #18.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
@garlin I did a clean install in the beginning of November, but I used the original 23H2 ISO disc I created when it first became available a while back.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional 24H2; Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Aspire C24-1700
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Video Card: Intel Arc UHD Graphics (Alder Lake-P 282 GT2) - Integrated Graphics Controller [ACER]
    Sound Card
    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer [Unknown Model: ACR40B0]
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD: WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1114
    SSD: TEAM TM8PS7512G
    HDD: WDC WD20JDRW-11C7VS0
    HDD: Seagate ST2000LM007-1R8174 HDD: Seagate ST1000LM035-1RK172
    Case
    Acer AIO
    Browser
    Brave, Chrome, Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
As a bit of light relief, has anybody wondered why the Panther folder has that name?

Why are Windows setup logs stored in a Panther directory? Does it have anything to do with the abandoned Panther project from the precursor to Windows 95?

...the Panther subdirectory that people are asking about was introduced in Windows Vista, and it is highly unlikely that Windows Vista cared about a long-dead experimental project from over 15 years ago. Windows Vista didn’t support upgrading from anything older than Windows 2000; it certainly didn’t care about upgrading from an experimental operating system from the early 1990s that never even made it as far as a beta.

From looking at the source code history, it appears that Panther was the code name for what is now known as Windows Deployment Services.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
As a bit of light relief, has anybody wondered why the Panther folder has that name?
I was thinking that it was a project name myself, kind of like the Xbox used several project reference names to the game Halo. I believe at one time, Windows XP was named Project "Azure" if I'm not mistaken.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional 24H2; Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Aspire C24-1700
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Video Card: Intel Arc UHD Graphics (Alder Lake-P 282 GT2) - Integrated Graphics Controller [ACER]
    Sound Card
    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer [Unknown Model: ACR40B0]
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD: WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1114
    SSD: TEAM TM8PS7512G
    HDD: WDC WD20JDRW-11C7VS0
    HDD: Seagate ST2000LM007-1R8174 HDD: Seagate ST1000LM035-1RK172
    Case
    Acer AIO
    Browser
    Brave, Chrome, Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I'm afraid you are mistaken, XP's codename was Whistler.
Thank you for the correction. I could've sworn at one time or another it was known as project azure, but who knows - can't remember the source, most likely the internet back in the day I suppose. That'll make some good trivia questions though! Lol - thanks! :LOL: I do recall now though, it was Whistler.....
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional 24H2; Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Aspire C24-1700
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Video Card: Intel Arc UHD Graphics (Alder Lake-P 282 GT2) - Integrated Graphics Controller [ACER]
    Sound Card
    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer [Unknown Model: ACR40B0]
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD: WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1114
    SSD: TEAM TM8PS7512G
    HDD: WDC WD20JDRW-11C7VS0
    HDD: Seagate ST2000LM007-1R8174 HDD: Seagate ST1000LM035-1RK172
    Case
    Acer AIO
    Browser
    Brave, Chrome, Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Don’t think Panther is a codename for any upcoming projects. Been around for years..


But I do remember Vista was named Longhorn before it’s unveiling.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
Azure was "Red Dog". If you're Dave Cutler, you can get away with anything.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
Per ChatGPT:

The name "Panther" for the folder in the Windows directory is thought to originate from Microsoft's internal codenames used during the development of Windows operating systems. Specifically:


  1. Windows Vista Development:The Panther folder appears to have first been introduced during the development of Windows Vista. Microsoft's development process for Windows versions often involves using codenames for various components, tools, or features.
  2. Codenaming Convention:
    • Microsoft has a history of using animal-themed codenames or other arbitrary terms for internal projects and components.
    • The term "Panther" was likely chosen as a project or team codename during the development of the setup and deployment infrastructure.
  3. Legacy:
    • Over time, the Panther folder persisted through later Windows versions because it became part of the established setup and diagnostic system, even as the operating system evolved. The name remained consistent for continuity and internal references.

While there isn't an official public explanation for the specific choice of "Panther," it likely reflects a codename that stuck and carried over as a technical artifact in Windows setup processes.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional 24H2; Linux Mint
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U 1.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Aspire C24-1700
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Video Card: Intel Arc UHD Graphics (Alder Lake-P 282 GT2) - Integrated Graphics Controller [ACER]
    Sound Card
    Intel Alder Lake-P PCH - cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer [Unknown Model: ACR40B0]
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD: WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1114
    SSD: TEAM TM8PS7512G
    HDD: WDC WD20JDRW-11C7VS0
    HDD: Seagate ST2000LM007-1R8174 HDD: Seagate ST1000LM035-1RK172
    Case
    Acer AIO
    Browser
    Brave, Chrome, Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Random question:
Everyone who has a 'c' file, did you recently upgrade Windows, or last perform a clean install? Same thing for everyone who doesn't have a 'c' file.

I don't have a "c" file.
I did the 24H2 upgrade (In-Place), sometime in October 2024.
I never "installed" Win 11.
I did an In-Place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11, in 2021.
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Also... I don't have either a Recovery partition or the 16MB MSR partition.

NOTE: The In-Place upgrade to 24H2, created a new Recovery partition, but I removed it again.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26100.3037 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦24H2 ♦♦♦non-Insider
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Per ChatGPT:

The name "Panther" for the folder in the Windows directory is thought to originate from Microsoft's internal codenames used during the development of Windows operating systems. Specifically:


  1. Windows Vista Development:The Panther folder appears to have first been introduced during the development of Windows Vista. Microsoft's development process for Windows versions often involves using codenames for various components, tools, or features.
  2. Codenaming Convention:
    • Microsoft has a history of using animal-themed codenames or other arbitrary terms for internal projects and components.
    • The term "Panther" was likely chosen as a project or team codename during the development of the setup and deployment infrastructure.
  3. Legacy:
    • Over time, the Panther folder persisted through later Windows versions because it became part of the established setup and diagnostic system, even as the operating system evolved. The name remained consistent for continuity and internal references.

While there isn't an official public explanation for the specific choice of "Panther," it likely reflects a codename that stuck and carried over as a technical artifact in Windows setup processes.
yeah its just used for logs during major revisions/upgrades
shared in that tenforums link in my other post

EDIT:
tested 23h2 - no cut/copy/paste text on win11 context menu
Screenshot (41).webp
created "c" in appdata\roaming with "\" content - restarted, checked for updates.

checked on a 2 different 24h2 pcs - DO HAVE text below buttons, but NO "c" file in appdata\roaming

99.5% sure it has nothing to do with feature availability (i saw you semi-ruled that out, just confirming with multiple test environments)
 
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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
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