Anyone using Hasleo Backup Suite Free vs Acronis, Macrium, or Iperius Backup?


Sammy888

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I'm currently using an older version of Acronis. I saw on another blog site recommending Hasleo. Any experiences, thoughts?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDA 1650 Ti
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Lenovo C32q-20
I use it & works OK for me.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro Workstation 23H2 22631.4830
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Manmade
    CPU
    Xeon W7-3455
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte MW83-RP0
    Memory
    256Gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4500 ADA
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32UN650P
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Boot: Transcend TS1MTE250H. Storage: Sabrent SB-RKT4P. Backup: Toshiba MG08ADA600E
    PSU
    Corsair 850W
    Case
    BeQuiet 802
    Cooling
    Noctua D9
    Internet Speed
    47Mb
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    23H2 (OS Build 22631.4830)
My thought is not to use Chinese software
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self build
    CPU
    Core i7-13700K
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Plus WiFi Z790
    Memory
    64 GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 Super Gaming OC 8G
    Sound Card
    Realtek S1200A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic VP2770
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 2TB NVME SSD & SATA HDDs & SSD
    PSU
    EVGA SuperNova G2 850W
    Case
    Nanoxia Deep Silence 1
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Digital Media Pro
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    50 Mb / s
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender
Hasleo works very well, haven't looked at Acronis in a long while.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7,Win11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7,win11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
Only Macrium Reflect Free - it works
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 (OS Build 26100.3037)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision Mobile Workstation
    CPU
    Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1535M v5 @ 2.90 Max Turbo 3.80
    Motherboard
    00V5FJ
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 ECC (Error-Correcting Code memory)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro M2000M 4GB GDDR5 & Intel(R) HD Graphics P530
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K UltraHD
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB Crucial NVMe & 2TB Seagate SATA
    PSU
    Dell 180W 19.5V-9.23A
    Mouse
    Logitech G703
    Internet Speed
    WIFI: Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security + additional Anti Spyware, Anti Malware, etc.
    Other Info
    Thunderbolt 3
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision Workstation T5610
    CPU
    Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R)
    Memory
    64GB ECC
Yes, I use Hasleo. I find it quite adequate and without the bloat.

Here’s a brief cheat guide if you’ve not used Hasleo before.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Using Macrium as my first ( number ONE ! ) backupper , then AoMEI and Hasleo .
If one fails , the others will succeed ( security ! , I hate " format C " )............ :giggle:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus
    CPU
    i7
    Motherboard
    z97k
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Hard Drives
    3
    Cooling
    air
I was using Acronis. Then I tried Macrium free and loved it. On the black Friday two years ago I bought the full version by half the price.
Hasleo seems to be a good replacement for Macrium.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
Over the past 15 years, I have kept no image creation software nor any specialized backup software installed on any of my computers. None whatsoever. They're all just too much useless bloat to keep them always installed IMO.

To create customized system images, I use only the bootable Rescue Media ISO file of Acronis True Image 2021 on a Ventoy-formatted USB flash drive. To turn these customized system images into backups, I just copy them onto external storage with FastCopy and I use the Verify option thereof. These customized images contain the OS and applications but not my personal files, as the bootable Rescue Media has an option to specify file/folder exclusions to omit my personal files. That in fact is what the 'customized' here is referring to. To make backup copies of my personal files, I use only FastCopy (again, with the Verify option), which is actually a copy tool. Like Robocopy or TeraCopy or etc., only much, MUCH better. But it does not meet the definition of a backup tool.

When I say useless bloat, I really mean useless. Making VSS snapshot-based system backups of Windows while Windows is still actively running on the system are fairly unreliable due to several factors that the vast majority of average Windows users are unaware of. Some say it works for them. Whereas I subscribe to the club of users who say that refusing to pay for home fire insurance is a strategy that also always works. That is, it always works until the house catches on fire. Always! :-)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
There are many ways to create a backup. It isn't important how you create it as long as you create one, unless you want to be one to cry over a dead drive.
I don't have Macrium installed on my current Windows and don't create regular backups with it.
My main computer is a desktop and for Win 11 I have a system drive (Small SSD) and a data drive (medium size HDD). On the data drive I've created a 2G partition and installed on it a WinPE with many tools, one of them is Macrium. From this partition I can boot and use the recover tools.
I have a Macrium image from my system drive and from data drive (without my data) and they are stored on a third drive (my main backup drive) that has Win 7 and also many maintenance and backup tools.
Once a week I boot from the Win 7 backup drive and make a backup of my data from the main drive to the backup drive.
I also have an old laptop that I also update my data from the desktop main drive.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
I've been using Acronis since 2009, with no problems. I also bought a ssd duplicator last year, as cheap as ssd's are now, it's just easier for me to stick in the drive and clone it to another drive for a backup.

ssd duplicator I bought.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 LTSB & 11 Pro 23H2 & Windows 7 Pro and Ultimate.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware PC
    CPU
    Intel i7 4790K
    Motherboard
    ASROCK Z97 EXTREME4
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 7770 2GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG UE57 Series 28-Inch 4K UHD
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2
    PSU
    EVGA 850 watt
    Case
    Alienware Area 51 Black Tower Case
    Keyboard
    HyperX - Alloy Elite 2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard.
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless
    Internet Speed
    1.2 GHz
    Browser
    Chrome..Edge..Firefox
Over the past 15 years, I have kept no image creation software nor any specialized backup software installed on any of my computers. None whatsoever. They're all just too much useless bloat to keep them always installed IMO.

To create customized system images, I use only the bootable Rescue Media ISO file of Acronis True Image 2021 on a Ventoy-formatted USB flash drive. To turn these customized system images into backups, I just copy them onto external storage with FastCopy and I use the Verify option thereof. These customized images contain the OS and applications but not my personal files, as the bootable Rescue Media has an option to specify file/folder exclusions to omit my personal files. That in fact is what the 'customized' here is referring to. To make backup copies of my personal files, I use only FastCopy (again, with the Verify option), which is actually a copy tool. Like Robocopy or TeraCopy or etc., only much, MUCH better. But it does not meet the definition of a backup tool.

When I say useless bloat, I really mean useless. Making VSS snapshot-based system backups of Windows while Windows is still actively running on the system are fairly unreliable due to several factors that the vast majority of average Windows users are unaware of. Some say it works for them. Whereas I subscribe to the club of users who say that refusing to pay for home fire insurance is a strategy that also always works. That is, it always works until the house catches on fire. Always! :-)

With respect hdmi, Macrium knows how to create an image on an active Windows partition - as do Acronis and other major software companies. I used Ghost from the mid '90's until the early 2000's when True Image was released, and then used that until they moved to a subscription model, when I moved to Macrium (now they're also subscription, but I guess that's the way of the world these days). I've used all of these products on my own systems (home and office - LOTS of systems) as well as others I've helped with. I've had to restore scores and scores of images over the years (probably in the hundreds) for various reasons (often testing), and only once did I have a failure. Early on I failed to set True Image to verify the image and it cost me. But as long as verification / validation is enabled, I've never had one issue. Not one. To say that disc imaging is a waste or unreliable on a support forum is, in my opinion, misleading at best.

IMHO, everyone - EVERYONE - should be using disc imaging on a regular basis. I've been saying so since I first started on support fora (right after the old bulletin boards went the way of all flesh :-) ), and will continue to do so.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W10, W11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
With respect hdmi, Macrium knows how to create an image on an active Windows partition - as do Acronis and other major software companies.
hdmi is adamant that a 'live' backup image is fundamentally flawed. To some extent he has a point. After restoring such an image Reliability History will show a 'Windows was not shut down properly' error at the time and date the image was made - well it would, wouldn't it?

All major imaging software that has bootable rescue media can make an image while Windows isn't running, that avoids this error and is hdmi's preferred method. Or you could, as I sometimes do, boot to the rescue media immediately after making my 'live' Macrium image, then add an incremental to the image. This will only be a few hundred MB extra, but will be a properly shut down Windows when restored.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Yes, but that "message" is essentially benign. And one can simply reboot at that point to reset the report (which, let's be honest, nobody ever looks at anyway ;-))
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W10, W11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
Yes, but that "message" is essentially benign. And one can simply reboot at that point to reset the report (which, let's be honest, nobody ever looks at anyway ;-))
No, a reboot doesn't reset it. The only thing that does reset Reliability History in an in-place upgrade. I've rebooted many times since mine....

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I still use Windows..., and restore from it! 🤷‍♂️
Hasn't failed......, yet!!! 🤞

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Strix
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
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Huh. Learn something new every day.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W10, W11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    2 HP Desktops, 1 Dell Desktop, 2 Dell XPS Laptops, 1 HP Laptop
hdmi is adamant that a 'live' backup image is fundamentally flawed. To some extent he has a point. After restoring such an image Reliability History will show a 'Windows was not shut down properly' error at the time and date the image was made - well it would, wouldn't it?

All major imaging software that has bootable rescue media can make an image while Windows isn't running, that avoids this error and is hdmi's preferred method. Or you could, as I sometimes do, boot to the rescue media immediately after making my 'live' Macrium image, then add an incremental to the image. This will only be a few hundred MB extra, but will be a properly shut down Windows when restored.
Never once had a failure restoring from a "live backup" with Macrium Reflect from Windows. Very rarely I have had issue with VSS and had to reset it.

The "I only do backups from Winpe brigade" totally exaggerate the risk.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Never once had a failure restoring from a "live backup" with Macrium Reflect from Windows. Very rarely I have had issue with VSS and had to reset it.
Neither have I. But on occasion, when I have known that in all likelihood I'll be restoring an image (a test upgrade to 24H2 being my most recent example) I'll first add the little offline incremental so that I won't see that annoying and avoidable 'not shutdown properly' error on the restore.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.

Bootable Rescue Media​

System consistency: There are no open files or applications that could lead to inconsistencies in the backup. By creating a backup while the system is offline, you avoid the risks associated with open files and running applications, leading to more consistent and reliable backups.

Complete system backup: You can create a comprehensive backup of the entire system, including the OS, applications, and system state, without any running processes interfering.

Exclusion control: You have more control over what gets included or excluded in the backup. This is particularly useful for excluding user data while keeping applications intact. It can help to avoid the need to relocate or temporarily move some of personal files, cache files and/or temporary files off of the Windows partition, onto a separate data partition or separate disk. Which, in turn, can help to avoid the need to resize partitions.

For example, if you only have one internal SSD with limited available free space, it might happen that something like maybe a large movie file isn't able to fit on the separate data partition but is still able to fit easily on the Windows partition, and, your plan might be to delete the movie after you've finished watching it (e.g., if you've already made a backup of the movie on your external media), but another part of your plan might be to make a system backup first, then finish watching the movie later.

In the example above, the easiest quickest method would be to exclude the movie from the system backup that you're going to create. Another good example would be when you want cache files and temporary files to be excluded from the system backup but you don't actually want to delete them before you'll create the system backup.

It is possible to add/modify Windows registry settings to specify exclusions for VSS snapshots. However, this exclusion is done on a "best effort" basis, meaning it's not guaranteed. Files are excluded based on the paths specified, but if files are modified during the backup process, they might still be included. Additionally, dealing with the Windows registry can tend to be tedious and intimidating to a lot of users.

Adding/modifying these registry settings to/in the bootable Rescue Media of Macrium reflect can tend to be even more tedious and intimidating to even more users still.

Whereas the bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image has a convenient, user-friendly option in its GUI, and that also can support the use of wildcards in the paths (although, admittedly, the aforementioned registry settings also can support wilcards) that effectively eliminates the need to futz around with the offline registry of the WinRE/WinPE environment. (The Acronis True Image application on Windows also has that option, but I never use this Windows application to create anything except only the bootable Rescue Media ISO file like I earlier said, and, I simply remove this Windows application afterwards.)

No dependency on running OS: Unlike snapshot-based backups, bootable media does not rely on the operating system being functional, making it a better option in case of system failures or corruption.

Protection from interference: External threats like ransomware or software conflicts are minimized since the backup process is isolated from the running system.


VSS snapshot-based (while running on a 'live' Windows)​

Data integrity: The backup may include data that was in an inconsistent state at the time of the snapshot, especially if there were ongoing write operations or application transactions. For the average home user who doesn't run specialized software, issues resulting from inconsistent data during VSS snapshot-based backups are relatively uncommon but can still occur.
  • Application errors: Occasionally, applications might not handle VSS snapshots properly, leading to inconsistencies. This is more common with less frequently updated or poorly coded applications.
  • VSS writer failures: Sometimes, VSS writers (which help applications prepare for snapshots) can fail, causing backup issues. This is relatively rare but can happen, especially with older software.
  • Disk space issues: If there isn't enough free space on the drive, VSS snapshots might fail. Ensuring sufficient free space can mitigate this issue.
  • Security software interference: Security applications can sometimes interfere with VSS operations, causing backups to fail. Updating or configuring these applications properly can help.
Windows is generally designed to handle crash-consistent backups and can recover reliably from them. The system will boot up and function normally, as if it had experienced an unexpected shutdown. Windows itself ensures that the file system is intact and can recover to a stable state. A snapshot-based backup can indeed provide crash-consistent backups. This means the backup captures the state of the system as if it crashed, preserving the order of write operations but not necessarily the state of in-memory data or pending I/O operations. This is useful for systems that can tolerate some data loss or require quick recovery.

However, for applications, the situation can vary:

Crash-consistent applications: Some applications are robust enough to recover from a crash-consistent state. They might have mechanisms to verify and repair data upon restart, ensuring they can continue operating as expected.​
Application-consistent applications: Other applications, particularly those managing critical data (like databases, email servers, etc.), require an application-consistent backup. This is because they need to ensure data integrity, as a crash-consistent backup might miss transactions that were in progress, leading to potential data corruption or loss. For application-consistent backups, the Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) is used to ensure that applications are in a consistent state before the backup. This involves quiescing applications, flushing in-memory data to disk, and completing pending I/O operations. This type of backup is crucial for applications like databases that need to ensure data integrity.​

In essence, while your operating system can handle crash-consistent states well, critical applications that need precise data integrity prefer application-consistent backups to ensure seamless and reliable recovery. When applications or processes are running and modifying data during a backup, it can complicate achieving consistency. VSS attempts to coordinate with applications to ensure data consistency, but there can be challenges if applications don't support VSS or if applications support VSS but they might be affected by bugs/conflicts that have not (yet) been detected/fixed so that they still don't ensure consistent data or if there's significant data change during the backup.

Detection of issues: If there are latent inconsistencies or errors within the snapshot, these might not be detected until the backup is restored and used for a certain period of time. It could be days, it could take weeks. Possibly even months before they finally are discovered.
Even if a backup creation succeeds, there's still a risk that it could contain hidden errors or inconsistencies that might not surface immediately but could cause issues later. This is particularly concerning because it undermines the fundamental purpose of having reliable backups in the first place.

Verification scope: The verification process mainly checks that the backup file is readable and contains the expected data, but it doesn't dive into the accuracy or consistency of the data captured during the snapshot.

The Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) itself does not inherently verify the integrity of the data captured in the snapshot. It provides a mechanism to create snapshots, but it doesn't verify that the data within those snapshots is free from errors or corruption. When backup software verifies a VSS snapshot-based backup, it typically only ensures that the backup includes all the data present in the snapshot, not that the data within the snapshot is valid or consistent.


Bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image​

The bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image offers a robust and reliable method for creating and verifying backups. By running the backup process outside of the active operating system environment, it significantly reduces the risks of data inconsistencies and corruption.

Key advantages:

Data integrity: The backup verification process, which mirrors a restore operation, ensures a thorough check of data integrity. By comparing the data from the backup image with the data present on the source, it provides a high level of confidence in the backup's reliability.

Minimized risk: Since the backup is created and verified while the system is offline, risks related to open files, ongoing write operations, and running applications are effectively eliminated.

Enhanced reliability: The verification process is identical to a restore operation except the data from image is not written to the source but is compared to the data already present on the source. So, data is read twice from the source (one time to create the image, one time to verify), and, a read error going twice undetected in such a particular way that the second disk read operation yields the same result as the first is extremely unlikely. By keeping the difference between the verification process and the restore operation as small as technically possible, robustness of the verification process can more reliably be verified by tech experts also in addition to this.

Zero bloat: Only the bootable ISO file is required. The application itself does not need to be kept installed on Windows. If you are paranoid about not being able to completely remove the application from Windows. Then you could actually even decide to boot to WinRE/WinPE so that you can use DISM in there to create an FFU image of your Windows partition before you choose to install the application on Windows. Then use the application in Windows to create the bootable ISO file, and copy this file to the Ventoy-formatted USB flash drive. Finally, boot to WinRE/WinPE again, and use DISM in there to restore your Windows partition from the FFU image. If you do that, every trace of the Windows application will be gone. Permanently, forever.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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