Disk partitioning prior to clean install of Win 11


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I need to do a clean install of Win11 Pro Retail on new drives. Would like to partition the drives prior to install with 2 partitions - OS and Data. Earlier versions of Windows allowed you to partition prior to the OS install - is this still available in Win11 or do I need to do that separately?

TIA
 

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Which partitioning software would you suggest.
 

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None is needed.
 

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For some reason, the attachment was not visible. So I presume you can configure the size of the OS partition after you click Next? The pic shows only the full 80GB drive as a single partition.
 

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that 80GB was just an example. You can delete all the partitions and then create two new ones for OS and Data - it's really easy.
 

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    ASUS T100TA Transformer
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    Edition Windows 10 Home
    Version 22H2 build 19045.3570
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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
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    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
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Thanks
 

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Windows should be pointed to install on an unallocated space and it should be on the beginning of the drive.
- Create first the Windows (EFI, MSR, C: and Recovery) partition. 80G is a good size for windows and programs.
- Create the Data partition or partitions
- Delete the first partition and point to install on the unallocated space created and proceed
 

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    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
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    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
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    GA-Z170-HD3P
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    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
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    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
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    500 Mb/s
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On BIOS
Set Disk mode to AHCI, not RAID
Select OS mode = UEFI
Disable fast boot and secure boot (you can turn it on after installation)

Windows can be installed in two ways: Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT
To install as Legacy-MBR you must boot the installation drive as Legacy
To install as UEFI-GPT you must boot the installation drive as UEFI.

As you have a UEFI BIOS, you should install as UEFI-GPT
Detach any other drives (SATA or Power cable) from the MB.

During POST, press F8 to launch the boot menu. You will see two options for the USB drive. USB UEFI (Name) and USB (Name). Select USB UEFI (Name) to install as UEFI-GPT.
Select the unallocated space and then proceed.
Don't enable updates or connect to the internet during installation.
If you want to use a local account What is "oobe\bypassnro"

 

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    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
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    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
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    Firefox 64
The free diskgenius app for converting mbr to gpt
 

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that 80GB was just an example. You can delete all the partitions and then create two new ones for OS and Data - it's really easy.
Well, actually it was not really easy. The partition creation feature in Windows install does not allow you to create an OS partition at the beginning of the disk and sets up additional partitions it 'knows' are needed where it thinks they are needed. Windows install is simply not a good partitioning tool.

The solution was to use GParted Live on a bootable USB set up using Rufus. In my case, I chose to create 250GB unallocated at the beginning of the drive with the balance of the 4 TB drive used for data. After partitioning, Windows 11 was installed to the unallocated space where it created additional partitions as needed.

There is a lot of conflicting information about the appropriate size of the OS partition - generally underestimating the size needed. On this particular machine, after a clean install of Windows 11 Pro in a 250 GB partition, there is 142 GB used, most of which is System & Reserved files. See attached snips. FWIW, a Macrium image of the OS partition comes in at about 31 GB. The Hibernation file size is pretty astounding and Windows 11 appears to have issues with hibernation when installed on a desktop machine. Will post those issues in a separate thread as they seem unrelated to the partitioning issue.
 

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1) Please run: diskparinfo > post a share link





2) Open disk management > widen rows and columns > post images or share links

 

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    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
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On BIOS
Set Disk mode to AHCI, not RAID
Select OS mode = UEFI
Disable fast boot and secure boot (you can turn it on after installation)

Windows can be installed in two ways: Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT
To install as Legacy-MBR you must boot the installation drive as Legacy
To install as UEFI-GPT you must boot the installation drive as UEFI.

As you have a UEFI BIOS, you should install as UEFI-GPT
Detach any other drives (SATA or Power cable) from the MB.

During POST, press F8 to launch the boot menu. You will see two options for the USB drive. USB UEFI (Name) and USB (Name). Select USB UEFI (Name) to install as UEFI-GPT.
Select the unallocated space and then proceed.
Don't enable updates or connect to the internet during installation.
If you want to use a local account What is "oobe\bypassnro"


Worthwhile noting that you need to be sure that RAID is configured prior to Windows 11 install on most machines supporting Intel RAID.

Brinks clean install instruction was certainly helpful, however there seem to be errors in the instruction, specifically in the Registry instructions on how to bypass the network requirements to set up a local account.

The shutdown line in Command prompt should be: shutdown /r /f /t 0 rather than the shutdown /r /f/ t/ 0 shown in the instruction.
 

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    Asus Pro WS W680-ACE
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    Corsair DDR5 192GB 5200MHz
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The shutdown line in Command prompt should be: shutdown /r /f /t 0 rather than the shutdown /r /f/ t/ 0 shown in the instruction.
It was a typo.


How were system and reserved sizes chosen / created? 116 GB?

When available post diskpar info and disk management.


The default sizes during a clean install are
System 100 MB
Reserved 15 MB
 

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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
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    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
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    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
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It was a typo.


How were system and reserved sizes chosen / created? 116 GB?

When available post diskpar info and disk management.


The default sizes during a clean install are
System 100 MB
Reserved 15 MB

S happens. Maybe they should fix the typo?

Windows chose all sizes for the install files. The only thing I set up were the partitions. Snip of current disk management attached.

As I mentioned, Windows has issues with hibernate. Apparently also associated with fast start. On this box, when the system hibernates, it crashes on wakeup and fills up/trashes the OS partition. See attached snip of earlier crash. Macrium to the rescue... but this fast start thing is apparently not ready for prime time.
 

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  • System and reserved error2.webp
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Homebrew
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    i9-14900K
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    Asus Pro WS W680-ACE
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    Corsair DDR5 192GB 5200MHz
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    onboard
    Sound Card
    onboard
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    Asus VA27U
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    4TB Iron Wolf Pro
    ST 4000NT001
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    Corsair Nautilus 360
Please run the V2 log collector > post a share link

 

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  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
    Hard Drives
    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Mobile Workstation
Log attached
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebrew
    CPU
    i9-14900K
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS W680-ACE
    Memory
    Corsair DDR5 192GB 5200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus VA27U
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    4TB Iron Wolf Pro
    ST 4000NT001
    Cooling
    Corsair Nautilus 360
1) Some of the files were in a foreign language.

Code:
Windows Search tarnybos skirtas laikas netiketai baigesi. Tai buvo atlikta 1 karta (-us). èis koregavimo veiksmas u₧ims 30000 milisek.: Restart the service.

Please use English as the default language during the troubleshooting:






2) The BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 3701, 2024-06-28

Upgrade the BIOS: 3701 > 4101




3) Open administrative command prompt and copy and paste:

DISM /Online /Add-Capability /CapabilityName:WMIC~~~~

Post a link.



4) Run: tuneup_plus_log > post a share link






5) For new BSOD > post a new V2 share link into the newest post




Code:
Event[34]
  Log Name: System
  Source: volmgr
  Date: 2025-04-26T07:28:21.0320000Z
  Event ID: 46
  Task: None
  Level: Error
  Opcode: N/A
  Keyword: Classic,
  User: N/A
  User Name: N/A
  Computer: BX14
  Description:
Crash dump initialization failed!
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
    Hard Drives
    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Mobile Workstation

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