Explorer with excessive spacing between folders


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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
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    Sin-built
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
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    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
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    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
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    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
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    Onboard
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    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
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    All over the place
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    Silverstone 1500
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    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
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    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
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    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
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    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
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    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
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    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
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    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
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    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
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    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
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    M.2 512GB
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    …still on a horse.
I mean it has nothing to do with the excessive spacing in the Navigation pane. I think the OP confirmed that compact mode was already on, so my money is on Solidworks PDM.
Remember that I too have this issue. I do not have Solidworks.

Mine is a pristine clean install.
 

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    Win11 Pro 24H2
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    Kamrui Mini PC, Model CK10
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    Intel i5-12450H
    Memory
    32GB
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    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
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    Integrated
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    HP Envy 32
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    2560 x 1440
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    1 x 2TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB 2.5" SSD
    PSU
    120W "Brick"
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Mechanical Keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
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    Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    Win11 Pro 23H2
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
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    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
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    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
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    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
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    13.3-inch IPS Display
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    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
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    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
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    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
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    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Remember that I too have this issue. I do not have Solidworks.

Mine is a pristine clean install.
Isn't yours stuck in tablet mode in both left and right panes? I think the OP's right pane is in compact mode and only the Navigation pane is spread out.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10/11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
view. It does reduce spacing in the right hand pane, but the left still has crazy spacing.

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This Screenshot only shows pinned quick access folders, what about the rest of the left pane tree?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
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    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
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    100/40Mbps
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    All sorts
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    Kaspersky Premium
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    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
I’d like to see the rest of the left pane. Also wondering why the Op hasn’t updated specs and OS version.


I have just run around in Google and noticed images very similar to the OP’s. Wide Quick Access spacing with the right pane unaffected.
Report was that it started with the September Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5043145)
Could of been the OP but I don’t think so as they mentioned that to fix, uninstalling this update worked. But that’s as far as the thread went.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.4249
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 - 2 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Using compact view does help, but it does not seem to help as much as it did in 23h2. Even with compact view set to on, unless my short term memory is gone, I think the space between lines is wider than in 23h2. From the looks of your screenshot, I don't think you have compact view on. Click VIEW on toolbar, select SHOW>check Compact View.
Gee, the things you learn on Eleven Forum; I had never heard of 'Compact View'. Selected it and like it!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 24H2 26100.2605
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy Desktop TE02-0xxx
    CPU
    2.10GHz Intel 12th Gen Core i7-12700
    Motherboard
    HP 'BlizzardU' 894B 10; Chipset Intel ADL Z690
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce 3050
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP27er
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB NVMe SSD
    2TB HDD
    PSU
    600W
    Case
    Desktop Tower
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Logitech K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    25Mps (Max)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows native security
    Other Info
    HP replaced SSD under warranty in November, 2023.
Ok! Updated my system info. And yes, I do have Solidworks 2023 and EPDM installed, my work machine. I guess I'll try the 23H2 release and see if that fixes it! Screen shot below of the whole list.

Oh, and also, explorer keeps crashing...:cautious:, can't figure that one out either...

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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell - 3591 Precision Workstation
    CPU
    i9
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2000 GPU
    Monitor(s) Displays
    (2) Dell 2414H
    Other Info
    Solidworks 2023 & EPDM
Ok! Updated my system info. And yes, I do have Solidworks 2023 and EPDM installed, my work machine. I guess I'll try the 23H2 release and see if that fixes it! Screen shot below of the whole list.

Oh, and also, explorer keeps crashing...:cautious:, can't figure that one out either...
If you can't get the Windows 11 Explorer working correctly with SolidWorks, the workaround is to use the old Windows 10 style Explorer. Here's a quick and easy way to switch:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10/11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
Firstly, follow Option Three in this tutorial here:

Secondly, download latest Open-Shell from here:
Open-Shell has a separate component named Classic Explorer. When you install Open-Shell, make sure that this Classic Explorer component will also be installed. After finishing the install, you should now be able to open File Explorer, then choose View, click on Options, and place a checkmark in front of Classic Explorer Bar. Like so:

71197429-de18f000-2291-11ea-9401-013d82e7ff9b.png


Doing this will add a toolbar, but you can always choose to hide it again if that's what you prefer, by simply removing the checkmark shown in the picture above. By default, this toolbar has an Open-Shell icon on it. Clicking on it opens the Settings for Classic Explorer window panel. On the first tab (Navigation Pane), there's an option named Tree item spacing. That's the one that you're after. Ivo Beltchev decided to add it to ClassicShell, the predecessor of Open-Shell, a year or two before Windows 8 officially came out. It's been right there waiting for you all this time. :D

Tree item spacing.png
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Isn't there something in Settings, about tablet mode?
I thought they removed the ability to disable tablet mode. There are some settings as far as I know but not to disable it?
There is no Tablet Mode in Windows 11, that was only for Windows 10. There is a tablet optimised taskbar, and file explorer switches out of compact view (if you had it set) when you turn a laptop into a tablet. That's about it.... You should only see this option if you have a 2-in-1 convertible or a detachable keyboard.

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Firstly, follow Option Three in this tutorial here:

Secondly, download latest Open-Shell from here:
Open-Shell has a separate component named Classic Explorer. When you install Open-Shell, make sure that this Classic Explorer component will also be installed. After finishing the install, you should now be able to open File Explorer, then choose View, click on Options, and place a checkmark in front of Classic Explorer Bar. Like so:

71197429-de18f000-2291-11ea-9401-013d82e7ff9b.png


Doing this will add a toolbar, but you can always choose to hide it again if that's what you prefer, by simply removing the checkmark shown in the picture above. By default, this toolbar has an Open-Shell icon on it. Clicking on it opens the Settings for Classic Explorer window panel. On the first tab (Navigation Pane), there's an option named Tree item spacing. That's the one that you're after. Ivo Beltchev decided to add it to ClassicShell, the predecessor of Open-Shell, a year or two before Windows 8 officially came out. It's been right there waiting for you all this time. :D

View attachment 114635
Amazing, this solved it! Thank youuuuu. Not a simple process, but love the option of customizing the space between folders. Awesome.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell - 3591 Precision Workstation
    CPU
    i9
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2000 GPU
    Monitor(s) Displays
    (2) Dell 2414H
    Other Info
    Solidworks 2023 & EPDM
Amazing, this solved it! Thank youuuuu. Not a simple process, but love the option of customizing the space between folders. Awesome.
Was the space between items in the Nav pane still large after switching to the old Explorer? Was Open Shell a requirement or a nice to have?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10/11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
Was the space between items in the Nav pane still large after switching to the old Explorer? Was Open Shell a requirement or a nice to have?
Space can be 'tweaked' with open shell. I played around, and ended up with -4 for my setting. You can make it so small you can't read it :-). . I think openshell is a must here.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell - 3591 Precision Workstation
    CPU
    i9
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2000 GPU
    Monitor(s) Displays
    (2) Dell 2414H
    Other Info
    Solidworks 2023 & EPDM
Was Open Shell a requirement or a nice to have?
Cult software like this always has been, and will always continue to be, a requirement.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Space can be 'tweaked' with open shell. I played around, and ended up with -4 for my setting. You can make it so small you can't read it :-). . I think openshell is a must here.
I get that, but what I specifically wanted to know is if the Nav pane spacing returned to normal after changing Explorer. I'm trying to avoid installing Solidworks just to find out.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10/11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
Space can be 'tweaked' with open shell. I played around, and ended up with -4 for my setting. You can make it so small you can't read it :-). . I think openshell is a must here.
If you also use Explorer Patcher, there are two minor bugs which hopefully be solved in some future version of Explorer Patcher. One is that the search icon and the task view icon might occasionally disappear from the taskbar (you see a blank space there). To get them back make any change, such as disable the task view icon and enable it again or switch to search box and back to search icon. The other bug is that the custom color of the taskbar defined in Open Shell will revert to the default taskbar color when you click on the search icon. Closing the search window might return the custom color but not always. I use "taskbar style" "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)", if that matters to see the custom taskbar color. If I choose either "Windows 11" or plain "Windows 10", the custom color is ignored and I see the default taskbar color.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
If you also use Explorer Patcher, there are two minor bugs which hopefully be solved in some future version of Explorer Patcher. One is that the search icon and the task view icon might occasionally disappear from the taskbar (you see a blank space there). To get them back make any change, such as disable the task view icon and enable it again or switch to search box and back to search icon. The other bug is that the custom color of the taskbar defined in Open Shell will revert to the default taskbar color when you click on the search icon. Closing the search window might return the custom color but not always. I use "taskbar style" "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)", if that matters to see the custom taskbar color. If I choose either "Windows 11" or plain "Windows 10", the custom color is ignored and I see the default taskbar color.
On my laptop these 2 different bugs that you describe seem like they're just 2 different symptoms of the same bug, as I haven't seen them occur separate from each other. This bug only occurs when both Open-Shell and ExplorerPatcher's "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)" taskbar style are being used. To completely avoid this bug and both of its 2 different symptoms, I only have to either keep the Search button disabled or make sure that the lightness of the taskbar's background always appears darker than some certain threshold.

This lightness may also be determined by more numerous factors than just Open-Shell's taskbar background color setting alone, as Open-Shell also has an option to make it transparent, that, when enabled, lets you adjust the opacity thereof, and that, in conjunction with your dektop background, also has a direct impact on how light/dark the taskbar's background will be like.

On a side note, my taskbar always appears dark enough so this bug's symptoms don't occur for me, but also I don't need the Search icon next to my Start button. I just stick to using 1/ the search bar of Open-Shell's Windows 7 start menu style and 2/ Everything (from voidtools.com) and 3/ TAMAHO SystemTrayMenu (from GitHub). It's a really very powerful combination of search tools. PowerToys also has one, but I don't use it. For fast access to Everything, I changed a few settings on the Controls tab of Open-Shell. Like this:

Controls - Custom command.png

Another bug is that Open-Shell's ability to let you pick a taskbar texture is half broken, also when the "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)" is enabled in ExplorerPatcher latest pre-release version (22621.3880.66.7). Specifically, the texture is missing on the Pinned area of the taskbar. Additionally, "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)" also causes Open-Shell's taskbar text color setting to be ignored.

At least for me, this sums up all of those specific bugs/symptoms that, specifically, only occur when using both Open-Shell and ExplorerPatcher's "Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher)".
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
I will just wait for some newer Explorer Patcher version that fixes it. If not, I can live with them. I don't use the search so often.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (build 22631.4249) test laptop, Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894) main PC
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v24H2 (build 26100.2894)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4

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