GHOSTSPECTRE Windows 11

ShamrockRig · Oct 15, 2022

cereberus said:
Who gives a toss whether you use 2.5 GB or 3.1 GB on a 16 GB device?
It takes a lot of effort to use 16GB. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
If 0.6 GB RAM makes a difference, time to install more RAM!

My Windows 11 laptop idles at 1%.

If you are idling 2-10%, something is wrong e.g. your av is consuming resources or background apps.

I see no evidence that these "lite" OSs are any better than an optimised version of Windows 11 -
I do not go out of my way to uninstall apps if I have to use powershell to do it. I use disck cleanup regularly. Main thing is I stop unnecessary tasks running at startup.

Preach it brother!
If people have been across several different versions of windows and always had issues..its a them problem not a windows problem. Or a hardware problem ;P
Yeah i idle at literally 1%.
Lite OS in my mind would only be something i looked at if i had the worst pc ever and couldnt run full window and i think if i was at that level...i'd bin off using a PC all together. My Handsets better than that.

Samson1 · Oct 17, 2022

cereberus said:
Who gives a toss whether you use 2.5 GB or 3.1 GB on a 16 GB device?
It takes a lot of effort to use 16GB. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
If 0.6 GB RAM makes a difference, time to install more RAM!

My Windows 11 laptop idles at 1%.

If you are idling 2-10%, something is wrong e.g. your av is consuming resources or background apps.

I see no evidence that these "lite" OSs are any better than an optimised version of Windows 11 -
I do not go out of my way to uninstall apps if I have to use powershell to do it. I use disck cleanup regularly. Main thing is I stop unnecessary tasks running at startup.

'My house is cluttered with furniture I've never used but as soon as it becomes a problem I'll buy a bigger house.'

Considering a good number of games now can easily fill 16GBs, most production software, editing suites, 3D modelling software, 2D/3D animation and A.I image/video stuff easily uses 14GBs of RAM, it actually takes no effort at all. Every MB is vital and adds up. Every meg is the difference between my operating system having the chance to freeze or not. I removed just under ten processes from Task Manager and freed a hundred meg. I can run numerous software in that.

Windows max: 3-6
Waterfox max: 0.4-7
Production program: 0.2-inf
It doesn't take long to work out my usual total RAM usage.

In that 3GB gain (5-9 down to 3-6) I can run my other programs properly, I don't have system hangs, I can run all of the games I own, the OS doesn't stutter, loads faster and is more responsive in particular situations but not all situations like Ghost Spectre 11 is. Also, 2-10% is normal for clean Windows 10 and 11 installs on my machine. Nothing is wrong with it but that definitely was one of my first thoughts after coming from Xubuntu way back when! For debloating I used ThisIs11 and went to uneccessry process .exe locations via Task Manager and renamed them.

Getting higher capacity RAM doesn't fix anything at all, just makes it less of a hinderence and because of this extra RAM that I should've had in the first place I now no longer need more and thus have saved myself a sixty quid upgrade. Not only that, I have got more CPU to work with and a higher performance machine, not to mention way more stable. If you're working in content creation you want as stable a system as you can get. So yes this matters here too.

Personally, I want my spending to go as far as it possibly can and when it comes to bloatware straight to obsolete features such as an alarm and a calculator I want everything as efficient and optimised as possible with no uneccessary luggage. Battery charge indicators and other laptop specific processes in a desktop OS? It's that sort of laziness from programmers that irritates me. It's a sign to me of a poor product. I am well aware of the effort and lengths and sheer engineering put into '80s and '90s computers to make sure then ran.

Modern operating systems have no excuse to use more than 2GBs of RAM and operate on only the resources required to do so until otherwise. Let's agree to completely disagree.

Lance1 · Oct 23, 2022

Just to let you know. I have decided to run with GHOSTSPECTRE Windows 11 PRO 22H2 SUPERLITE on my main system! Super fast and loving it. I don't know why I put it off for so long... No regrets at all.

Samson1 · Oct 24, 2022

Lance1 said:
Just to let you know. I have decided to run with GHOSTSPECTRE Windows 11 PRO 22H2 SUPERLITE on my main system! Super fast and loving it. I don't know why I put it off for so long... No regrets at all.

Nice! I'm really loving it on my laptop too and has been nothing but solidly reliable! I've had no issues with the OS in any way, shape or form which for my track record with Windows and even for fresh installs is nothing but utterly remarkable. I'm fully convinced to replace my desktop with Superlite if the installation breaks.

Samson1 · Oct 24, 2022

Lance1 said:
I tested this on my old laptop and in a VM on my main system and found that... You Are Exactly right. Messing with Windows integrated systems can and will cause problems. I recommend that you never install Ghost on hardware unless you have a spare old system lying around like me! And "DO NOT" use it as a Daily Driver. Install in a VM and play with it there. All Ghost is, is Fun Stuff! So if you are like me a love having fun playing around with systems. DO IT IN A VM... "I have an image to return my laptop back to Win10". "A Backup!" So Remember that. So download it and Play with it! And don't forget about the Ghost ToolBox! Lots of fun stuff there. Remember this is all about fun... so enjoy. We seem to get too serious with windows these days.

'Custom' and 'unofficial' don't equal 'doesn't work, unsafe rubbish.' It's a lot more complicated than that. :)

Lance1 · Oct 25, 2022

Samson1 said:
'Custom' and 'unofficial' don't equal 'doesn't work, unsafe rubbish.' It's a lot more complicated than that. :)

Just a bunch of banter on my part! Sorry, I have proved myself wrong with My latest install of GHOSTSPECTRE Windows 11 Superlite 22H2. At that time in my VM, I have not utilized the full potential of my system with it. Now that I have, there's a stark difference between VM and hardware. That is to be expected. As I said. Why did I wait so long? If this post confused you this is the reason why. I was in a VM with minimal hardware support. To really test it on bare metal. "Full Hardware Support" Is what Realy convinced me about it...

Samson1 · Oct 26, 2022

Lance1 said:
Just a bunch of banter on my part! Sorry, I have proved myself wrong with My latest install of GHOSTSPECTRE Windows 11 Superlite 22H2. At that time in my VM, I have not utilized the full potential of my system with it. Now that I have, there's a stark difference between VM and hardware. That is to be expected. As I said. Why did I wait so long? If this post confused you this is the reason why. I was in a VM with minimal hardware support. To really test it on bare metal. "Full Hardware Support" Is what Realy convinced me about it...

Nah, I think I overreacted. I'm used to hearing black and white sheet statements that are utterly bonkers often enough that I can't tell when someone isn't make one of those and I just go into autopilot!

cereberus · Oct 26, 2022

Samson1 said:
'My house is cluttered with furniture I've never used but as soon as it becomes a problem I'll buy a bigger house.'

Considering a good number of games now can easily fill 16GBs, most production software, editing suites, 3D modelling software, 2D/3D animation and A.I image/video stuff easily uses 14GBs of RAM, it actually takes no effort at all. Every MB is vital and adds up. Every meg is the difference between my operating system having the chance to freeze or not. I removed just under ten processes from Task Manager and freed a hundred meg. I can run numerous software in that.

Windows max: 3-6
Waterfox max: 0.4-7
Production program: 0.2-inf
It doesn't take long to work out my usual total RAM usage.

In that 3GB gain (5-9 down to 3-6) I can run my other programs properly, I don't have system hangs, I can run all of the games I own, the OS doesn't stutter, loads faster and is more responsive in particular situations but not all situations like Ghost Spectre 11 is. Also, 2-10% is normal for clean Windows 10 and 11 installs on my machine. Nothing is wrong with it but that definitely was one of my first thoughts after coming from Xubuntu way back when! For debloating I used ThisIs11 and went to uneccessry process .exe locations via Task Manager and renamed them.

Getting higher capacity RAM doesn't fix anything at all, just makes it less of a hinderence and because of this extra RAM that I should've had in the first place I now no longer need more and thus have saved myself a sixty quid upgrade. Not only that, I have got more CPU to work with and a higher performance machine, not to mention way more stable. If you're working in content creation you want as stable a system as you can get. So yes this matters here too.

Personally, I want my spending to go as far as it possibly can and when it comes to bloatware straight to obsolete features such as an alarm and a calculator I want everything as efficient and optimised as possible with no uneccessary luggage. Battery charge indicators and other laptop specific processes in a desktop OS? It's that sort of laziness from programmers that irritates me. It's a sign to me of a poor product. I am well aware of the effort and lengths and sheer engineering put into '80s and '90s computers to make sure then ran.

Modern operating systems have no excuse to use more than 2GBs of RAM and operate on only the resources required to do so until otherwise. Let's agree to completely disagree.

In the end, you have just proven you need more RAM.

I rest my case.

Samson1 · Oct 26, 2022

cereberus said:
In the end, you have just proven you need more RAM.

I rest my case.

'Need/require' is when you need/require something more than you currently have as what you currently have is restricting your capabilities, no? My system restricted me, now it doesn't. I required more RAM, now I do not. I fully get what you're saying, but I cannot agree with you as my system is now optimal for my needs and fully supporting my needs.

Lance1 · Oct 26, 2022

Samson1 said:
'Need/require' is when you need/require something more than you currently have as what you currently have is restricting your capabilities, no? My system restricted me, now it doesn't. I required more RAM, now I do not. I fully get what you're saying, but I cannot agree with you as my system is now optimal for my needs and fully supporting my needs.

If you are happy with your system as it is! RAM Upgrade Is Not Needed. It is a personal choice. I'm happy at 24GB which supplies all my needs.

Samson1 · Oct 27, 2022

Lance1 said:
If you are happy with your system as it is! RAM Upgrade Is Not Needed. It is a personal choice. I'm happy at 24GB which supplies all my needs.

Yes! Actually I had started on an upgrade and did run three sticks for a while but all were at base clock which was problematic. I'll eventually have 32GBs but right now it's no longer necessary.

pparks1 · Oct 27, 2022

Samson1 said:
Call me nuts all you like, but I have a deep seated hatred for modern Windows operating systems and I'm about to trial run this on one of my laptops. If it's a success then it's going on my main system.

I'm sick of 6GBs of RAM usage with nothing open and I never use MS stuff anyway, so neither here nor there for me. :)

If you have RAM available on your machine, why would you want it to not be used? It's the fastest way to get data into your CPU.

Windows will free up and flush things in memory that aren't actively in use, so it's not like a new app cannot start because your RAM is in use. Why buy 16GB or 32GB of RAM and just have it sit their idling empty.

cereberus · Oct 27, 2022

Samson1 said:
'Need/require' is when you need/require something more than you currently have as what you currently have is restricting your capabilities, no? My system restricted me, now it doesn't. I required more RAM, now I do not. I fully get what you're saying, but I cannot agree with you as my system is now optimal for my needs and fully supporting my needs.

Your fallacious argument is I have filled all my RAM, but an extra 1GB would tip me over the edge. That just means you are sailing close to the edge. Nobody should ever operate without some margin - conclusion either cut back your expectations or buy more RAM. Blaming Windows because of your choices is meaningless.

pparks1 · Oct 27, 2022

Let's look at the RAM usage on my laptop at the moment where I do my day to day work I have 32GB of RAM, and it's about 1/2 used. (actually 53%".

As expected, I have about 15GB of completely free and available RAM. As I open more and more apps and things go into memory that number is going to drop down.

What's super important to keep in mind is the cached amount (12.6GB) of memory is currently cached. It's applications that I have been using, holding stuff in memory in the event that I need to access it again, as it's way faster to come from memory then from a hard drive (even if it's an SSD or NVMe). So, if I were to fire up a game that needed say 10GB of RAM, Windows could, and would, flush the stuff consuming the 12GB of cache and it would be made available immediately for the game to consume.

The other value that is important is the Paged Pool count. I have 1.5GB in here. This is memory that the kernel and device drivers are using which CAN be dumped down to the slower page file if memory contention occurs.

Therefore, while I have consumed about 16GB of RAM (12.6+1.5 = 14GB), there is 14GB of memory effectively being used as it's there and "why not" and in the event that I open anything else on the system requiring RAM would be cleaned up instantly. So, my OS and stuff I really need is honestly taking about 2GB, just as you suggested you think it should be.

ShamrockRig · Oct 27, 2022

Samson1 said:
'My house is cluttered with furniture I've never used but as soon as it becomes a problem I'll buy a bigger house.'

Considering a good number of games now can easily fill 16GBs, most production software, editing suites, 3D modelling software, 2D/3D animation and A.I image/video stuff easily uses 14GBs of RAM, it actually takes no effort at all. Every MB is vital and adds up. Every meg is the difference between my operating system having the chance to freeze or not. I removed just under ten processes from Task Manager and freed a hundred meg. I can run numerous software in that.

Windows max: 3-6
Waterfox max: 0.4-7
Production program: 0.2-inf
It doesn't take long to work out my usual total RAM usage.

In that 3GB gain (5-9 down to 3-6) I can run my other programs properly, I don't have system hangs, I can run all of the games I own, the OS doesn't stutter, loads faster and is more responsive in particular situations but not all situations like Ghost Spectre 11 is. Also, 2-10% is normal for clean Windows 10 and 11 installs on my machine. Nothing is wrong with it but that definitely was one of my first thoughts after coming from Xubuntu way back when! For debloating I used ThisIs11 and went to uneccessry process .exe locations via Task Manager and renamed them.

Getting higher capacity RAM doesn't fix anything at all, just makes it less of a hinderence and because of this extra RAM that I should've had in the first place I now no longer need more and thus have saved myself a sixty quid upgrade. Not only that, I have got more CPU to work with and a higher performance machine, not to mention way more stable. If you're working in content creation you want as stable a system as you can get. So yes this matters here too.

Personally, I want my spending to go as far as it possibly can and when it comes to bloatware straight to obsolete features such as an alarm and a calculator I want everything as efficient and optimised as possible with no uneccessary luggage. Battery charge indicators and other laptop specific processes in a desktop OS? It's that sort of laziness from programmers that irritates me. It's a sign to me of a poor product. I am well aware of the effort and lengths and sheer engineering put into '80s and '90s computers to make sure then ran.

Modern operating systems have no excuse to use more than 2GBs of RAM and operate on only the resources required to do so until otherwise. Let's agree to completely disagree.

In that case cars don't need to go more than 70mph but yet they do. Why dont we all have 90bhp cars. Modern day cars have no reason to need more than 90hp( Or 70mph). So yeah, We could play that game all day long mate, Get more ram.

Samson1 · Oct 27, 2022

pparks1 said:
If you have RAM available on your machine, why would you want it to not be used? It's the fastest way to get data into your CPU.

Windows will free up and flush things in memory that aren't actively in use, so it's not like a new app cannot start because your RAM is in use. Why buy 16GB or 32GB of RAM and just have it sit their idling empty.

I have never seen it happen on any installation I've used.

Why would you want Windows occupying RAM with junk? You'd have no clue as to how much RAM Windows is truly using and nor how much you have to work with. Plus you have absolutely no idea what Windows is considering a 'vital' process. Are widgets vital? Is weather? Is Start vital to keep in RAM (I heard)? What about Clock? MS Shop? Cortana? Edge? What about telemetry? You might as well buy an S Class with no intention of using the heated seats, onboard computer, massaging and air conditioned seats and the status symbol it comes with. In which case, why didn't you buy a Cee'd instead? Most people don't use those features and they make my system less efficient, so I removed them and now my system works better than it did and now it's lower maintenance because of it.

Like I've said before; (this is before debloating) 8GBs and I have 4 to work with, 16GBs and I have 8 to work with. If I opened a program that uses more than what's 'available' than I get a frozen computer, full stop. None of my Windows installs kill processes like Linux does, once I'm out of RAM, that's it. Bluescreen, application crash or a soft reset. It is simply unacceptable and not very professional of a supposedly dependable operating system.

ShamrockRig · Oct 27, 2022

Samson1 said:
I have never seen it happen on any installation I've used.

Why would you want Windows occupying RAM with junk? You'd have no clue as to how much RAM Windows is truly using and nor how much you have to work with. Plus you have absolutely no idea what Windows is considering a 'vital' process. Are widgets vital? Is weather? Is Start vital to keep in RAM (I heard)? What about Clock? MS Shop? Cortana? Edge? What about telemetry? You might as well buy an S Class with no intention of using the heated seats, onboard computer, massaging and air conditioned seats and the status symbol it comes with. In which case, why didn't you buy a Cee'd instead? Most people don't use those features and they make my system less efficient, so I removed them and now my system works better than it did and now it's lower maintenance because of it.

Like I've said before; (this is before debloating) 8GBs and I have 4 to work with, 16GBs and I have 8 to work with. If I opened a program that uses more than what's 'available' than I get a frozen computer, full stop. None of my Windows installs kill processes like Linux does, once I'm out of RAM, that's it. Bluescreen, application crash or a soft reset. It is simply unacceptable and not very professional of a supposedly dependable operating system.

Yada yada yada, Knock yourself out mate and you do you.

pparks1 · Oct 27, 2022

Samson1 said:
Why would you want Windows occupying RAM with junk?

It's not junk, it's stuff I have used. Like Google Chrome, like Visual Studio Code, etc.

Samson1 said:
. Plus you have absolutely no idea what Windows is considering a 'vital' process. Are widgets vital? Is weather? Is Start vital to keep in RAM (I heard)? What about Clock? MS Shop? Cortana? Edge?

I'm not running any of that stuff, it's not loading it into RAM. And even if it loaded a few bytes for say edge or cortana, since I don't use it, it will get moved right back out when something I do want to use is launched.

Samson1 said:
W If I opened a program that uses more than what's 'available' than I get a frozen computer, full stop.

Well, you have something misconfigured because I cannot remember the last time that I have had a frozen computer with a full stop. Never happens to me. And I work in IT for a living, been doing it for 25 years. Certainly not had windows 7, 8, 10, or 11 hard stop on me.

Samson1 said:
None of my Windows installs kill processes like Linux does, once I'm out of RAM, that's it. Bluescreen, application crash or a soft reset. It is simply unacceptable and not very professional of a supposedly dependable operating system.

not my experience at all. I've had my windows 10 desktop that I game on and run VM's on, and I don't think it's bluescreened 1 time in almost 2 years. And I'm a linux system engineer for a living as well, so totally familiar with the stability of Linux. Windows works just fine for me, not sure what you have done to your system. Maybe all of your tweaking and adjustments have screwed something up.

ShamrockRig · Oct 27, 2022

pparks1 said:
It's not junk, it's stuff I have used. Like Google Chrome, like Visual Studio Code, etc.

I'm not running any of that stuff, it's not loading it into RAM. And even if it loaded a few bytes for say edge or cortana, since I don't use it, it will get moved right back out when something I do want to use is launched.

Well, you have something misconfigured because I cannot remember the last time that I have had a frozen computer with a full stop. Never happens to me. And I work in IT for a living, been doing it for 25 years. Certainly not had windows 7, 8, 10, or 11 hard stop on me.

not my experience at all. I've had my windows 10 desktop that I game on and run VM's on, and I don't think it's bluescreened 1 time in almost 2 years. And I'm a linux system engineer for a living as well, so totally familiar with the stability of Linux. Windows works just fine for me, not sure what you have done to your system. Maybe all of your tweaking and adjustments have screwed something up.

Pretty much what i couldn't be arsed typing out haha, May as well shout into a plastic bag but pretty much agree with the lot of that.

Samson1 · Oct 28, 2022

pparks1 said:
It's not junk, it's stuff I have used. Like Google Chrome, like Visual Studio Code, etc.

I'm not running any of that stuff, it's not loading it into RAM. And even if it loaded a few bytes for say edge or cortana, since I don't use it, it will get moved right back out when something I do want to use is launched.

Well, you have something misconfigured because I cannot remember the last time that I have had a frozen computer with a full stop. Never happens to me. And I work in IT for a living, been doing it for 25 years. Certainly not had windows 7, 8, 10, or 11 hard stop on me.

not my experience at all. I've had my windows 10 desktop that I game on and run VM's on, and I don't think it's bluescreened 1 time in almost 2 years. And I'm a linux system engineer for a living as well, so totally familiar with the stability of Linux. Windows works just fine for me, not sure what you have done to your system. Maybe all of your tweaking and adjustments have screwed something up.

I'm talking about unneeded and unwanted Windows processes when I say junk. And it's junk to me as I and quite a few people never use those features and processes. Don't care if they're in 'hibernation,' they're running and that's that. Chrome and Visual Studio aren't Windows processes so I exclude them here.

To be frank I'd love to know just that too. Windows 10 gave me a few blue screens a day until a year later thanks to updates and the system was almost unusable for the first few months because of constant crashes, early days of Win10. I only got into modding Windows four or so months before Windows 11 officially launched and now the only bluescreens I get are caused by something to do with Discord and sometimes performing actions in Windows applications you wouldn't think would cause them and such I can't diagnose them.

I really wish my installations would work as yours apparently do, it would be a dream! But it's never been my experience. Even the DOS operating systems I've used have been more stable, and that's saying something. You're not the first by a long shot to suggest that something is wrong with my system and I'm fully aware of that myself. But if that was the case then how come modding makes it more stable and more robust? Run smoother? And if that was the case then why has it always been the same on every single Windows installation I've had on this thing? The only culprit left that makes sense to me is hardware compatibility yet I've never seen any complaints from people with similar let alone the same specs, so I honestly have no idea. I can't speak for laptops as I own three but don't use them like I do my desktop. And it's not like I repeatedly meddle with stuff either, I haven't touched Windows as is currently other than ThisIs11 however many weeks ago since my last clean install which was roughly eleven months ago (I was almost averaging two a year). This installation hasn't keeled over which is impressive, I'm just hoping that lasts.

There are only a few system processes in Task Manager that are in bytes, the majority are in megabytes. I just checked. If this isn't normal I'd love to know! But as of right now, Windows remains a broken mess in all states I've had it in. Also, I love Linux based operating systems! Which do you usually use?

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