Solved Given these resources, what would your backup strategy be?


TonyCzar

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Six computers, each with a licensed copy of EaseUS Todo Backup, each with a copy of FreeFileSync. Each equipped with a dedicated 4TB SSD. Each on a wired LAN with access to a 12TB Synology NAS having the current directory shown below. A 12TB HDD to which the NAS can be backed up and a fire-resistant safe in which to store it. I do not want to use cloud storage for backup.

The question: how would you employ these resources to effect a "watertight" backup strategy? A weekly timetable required as part of the informal evaluation process. A fabulous (virtual) prize awaits the winner. Good luck.

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Your components do not quite meet the recommended 3-2-1 backup strategy as the 12TB HDD will not be offsite when it will be connected for copy purposes. Also even though the vault is fire-proof it is still onsite.

Additional information is needed on how long data on the PC's need to be retained. An example would be the retention of tax files for seven years where best practice would be to have the backup that was made from seven years ago to be retained in case the current copies got corrupted or accidentally deleted.

Finally, what is the volatility of data on the 4TB SSD's drives. If they are fairly volatile then even 12TB of backup space may not be enough to store all the required backups.

So an imperfect definition of the problem to be solved.
 

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Additionally, you do not say what the data is.

@Quandary is partly correct about offsite storage but that is not the whole story.

Look at your data and categorise it into criticality types.

Lets assume 3 categories:

1) critical data - data that it would be a disaster if lost (e.g. work files, photos of dear old gran).

Such data should be backed up daily/weekly to three drives (one for offsite - cloud storage is a great solution here).

If you categorise with thought, surprisingly little data is usually critical.

2) Important data - data that would be a nuisance if lost. This should be backed up to two places (cloud can be a good idea for one of them depending on volume).

This would be more important photos, personally created videos etc.

This can usually be a fair amount of data. It should be backed up weekly/monthly.

3) Routine data that can be easily recovered or if lost, you shrug your shoulders

Typically videos, music, program installers, the 5 zillion selfies which can be rediwnloaded fall into this category.

This data would only be backed up to one device (frequency/manner) at your discretion.

This category is usually the largest category often up to 80% of your data (people can be total hoarders. TBH I only back this "crap" say once every three months).

If you think about it storing data is like storing documents in your house. Most categorise that automatically by where the documents are stored e.g. in a safe/locked drawer, bedside cabinets, general cupboards.

By categorising the data you can develop a backup routine that focusses on quality and volume of data, with a minimal risk of critical/important data loss.

The categoriea above are my personal categories. You could have just two critical / not critical

You could have more e.g personal or work related as well.

So, in a round about way, I am telling you ONLY YOU can devise a backup strategy as only you know what data needs backing up.
 

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You have a synology nas, so you already have automatic & free backups at hand (synology's "active backup for business"). Turn it on at the nas box, install ABB at each pc, done (with some configuration).

Synology accommodates all backup types (image, file, sync, etc.), and if there's something it can't do, you get a 3rd-party app installed on the nas box itself. Many vendors produce apps that run on the synology's nas os.

synology.com/en-global/dsm/solution/data_backup

Implement as much of the 3-2-1 rule as you want and are comfortable with, in any form that meets the intent of the rule.

Hope this helps ...

(others can build on the above to meet your "contest" ... my synology is the core of my virtualized network of vm's; with it's nas OS, it is infinitely powerful and capable, and I'm just pointing out one small piece of it ... ABB)
 

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If we can assume that the drive(s) in the NAS won't be moved to a safe location that is similar to the fire-resistant safe, then what you'll need are additional storage devices that will be, as the 12TB HDD might still fail unexpectedly, and might still fail in such a way that doesn't give any prior warning signs of any kind whatsoever. This could potentially happen in such a way that a single spark destroys all six computers and all network devices including the router(s) and the NAS, and (if it is hooked up to one of these computers/devices) the 12TB HDD all at once. To avoid this potential risk, you'll have to make sure that, at all times (with no exceptions), at least two identical backup copies of the original will be located in the safe spot. Also I don't think a fire-resistant safe can help to make your strategy waterproof. Maybe a water-resistant safe could. :unsure:

I don't use EaseUS Todo Backup so can't really comment on it, but for making reliable images of my Windows partition (and of the other partitions required to keep Windows fully functional) I use a Ventoy-formatted USB flash drive with the bootable ISO of Acronis True Image 2021 (not to be confused with Acronis True Image 2021 itself) that AFAIK is functionally the same as the one that you can build with the free version of Acronis software [that is free to use if you use an eligible storage device from Western Digital or Sabrent or Crucial or ADATA or Kingston]. This bootable ISO lets me make/restore incremental images with a reliable verification method, and it also lets me specify file/folder exclusions conveniently in its well-desinged GUI that makes it very user-friendly, which, in turn, can help to avoid making human mistakes. What can go wrong will go wrong, and, I am allergic to those who not only claim the opposite, but who also make it their personal hobby to keep claiming the opposite in just about every other discussion thread that pops up about this particular subject...

For making backup copies of important personal files, I use FastCopy. I don't use FreeFileSync, but I do think that its RealTimeSync feature can be very useful, as it allows you to set it up in such a way that lets it use FastCopy to copy the folders and files. What makes FastCopy so important to me is that it can do per-file error logging, and can, also during the copying of the files, calculate and store file hash codes for later use/re-use. It also comes with a separate command line tool, FcHash, to only calculate and store file hash codes, that you can use e.g. to periodically re-verify the integrity of files by comparing the original hash codes with the ones that FcHash generates. There is a learning curve, but you can rest assured that it all pays off really very nicely in the end.
 

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@cereberus is right Tony. Only you know the usage specifics of each of these 6 computers so it would be up to you to come up with a reasonable backup plan for each one taking all the multiple factors into consideration. What's a smart choice for one device may not be right for the next one, depending on the way each system is used and the amount and importance of data it stores. Also what's right for me or anyone else here may not be right for you and your stuff.

My backup plan is different on all 4 systems that I maintain. I practice CYA, but am not overly zealous with it.
Heck, I don't image my husbands system but about once every 3-4 months or before a version upgrade. All he does is play his little games, accesses his email, and does light browsing. His data consists of nothing but a some old photos that hold no real importance whatsoever and rarely changes. The same holds true for a Windows 10 tablet he uses mostly as a reader.

My second most important computer is an old windows 10 I use as my backup machine if my main PC acts up. It has little data on it since all the important stuff is shared from my main PC. (2 things I make every attempt to avoid, redundant data and useless data.) I won't image it but about every 2 months or so when I power it on to get its OS and software up to date.

My main PC is the one that gets the most of my imaging efforts, uses the bulk of my external storage and the only one I practice the 3-2-1 rule. Like I said KISS works for me. Why make something more difficult than it should be. I think you may be overthinking things.
 

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I have an external drive at home. I have another external drive at my son's. I have two partitions on my laptop: C: Windows and D: Data.
I use Ghost to image my C: drive to both external drives. I use Robocopy to backup my data to both external drives. The way I figure it is that all 3 hard drives will not fail at the same time. I can sleep at nights !
 

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Sure....if one uses the cloud.
The 3-2-1-1-0 rule doesn't require to use the cloud, as there exist various other choices that meet the definition of 'off-site'. However, the reasons behind the OP's decision to rule out the cloud have not been explained. In many cases, all it takes for one to reconsider this decision is to learn the differences between public cloud and private cloud, and how easy it has become to set up your own private cloud these days.
 
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    16GB DDR5
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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    Intel Iris Xe
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    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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I have an external drive at home. I have another external drive at my son's. I have two partitions on my laptop: C: Windows and D: Data.
I use Ghost to image my C: drive to both external drives. I use Robocopy to backup my data to both external drives. The way I figure it is that all 3 hard drives will not fail at the same time. I can sleep at nights !
To be able to copy additional backup data onto the external drive and to be able to periodically re-verify the integrity of the existing data on the external drive, you still have to hook the external drive up to your laptop first. A single spark can destroy your laptop's internal drive and the external drive at once. However, if this happens you can still go to your son's to make an additional copy of the other external drive that you have there (or just contact him to ask him to do it for you). Only problem, until that additional copy has been made and one of the copies has been moved to a safe spot away from the computer, you no longer have any backup copies of any kind whatsoever. This violates even the outdated 3-2-1 rule.
 

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    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
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    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Logitech K800
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    Logitech G402
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    Browser
    FF
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    Medion S15450
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    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
You have a synology nas, so you already have automatic & free backups at hand (synology's "active backup for business"). Turn it on at the nas box, install ABB at each pc, done (with some configuration).

Synology accommodates all backup types (image, file, sync, etc.), and if there's something it can't do, you get a 3rd-party app installed on the nas box itself. Many vendors produce apps that run on the synology's nas os.

synology.com/en-global/dsm/solution/data_backup

Implement as much of the 3-2-1 rule as you want and are comfortable with, in any form that meets the intent of the rule.

Hope this helps ...

(others can build on the above to meet your "contest" ... my synology is the core of my virtualized network of vm's; with it's nas OS, it is infinitely powerful and capable, and I'm just pointing out one small piece of it ... ABB)

Running now. Isn't this a nice surprise!
 

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    Win 11 Pro 24H2 (Build 26100.3476)
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    This laptop is an HP 840
    CPU
    i7-1360p 2.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 8B41 KBC Version 51.40.00
    Memory
    32 GB
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    Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
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    Realtek High Definition Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Bluetooth® Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for USB Audio Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Digital Microphones
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    as outfitted
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    1920 x 1200 (as recommended)
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    one SSD 1TB
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    N/A
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    800MB/sec up & down
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    Chrome
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    Malwarebytes
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    Device name REC-840
    Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1360P 2.20 GHz
    Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.6 GB usable)
    Product ID 00355-61334-62672-AAOEM
    System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
    Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Altair 8800
To be able to copy additional backup data onto the external drive and to be able to periodically re-verify the integrity of the existing data on the external drive, you still have to hook the external drive up to your laptop first. A single spark can destroy your laptop's internal drive and the external drive at once. However, if this happens you can still go to your son's to make an additional copy of the other external drive that you have there (or just contact him to ask him to do it for you). Only problem, until that additional copy has been made and one of the copies has been moved to a safe spot away from the computer, you no longer have any backup copies of any kind whatsoever. This violates even the outdated 3-2-1 rule.
Thankyou. I keep my important personal files in a Veracrypt container which I am currently uploading to the Cloud - just in case !
Update: It is taking forever !
 
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which I am currently uploading to the Cloud - just in case !
Update: It is taking forever !

IMHO, slow transfer is the worst aspect of cloud storage. I wouldn't even consider sending full backups for six computers to cloud storage every night, but it works great on my NAS.
 

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    Win 11 Pro 24H2 (Build 26100.3476)
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    This laptop is an HP 840
    CPU
    i7-1360p 2.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 8B41 KBC Version 51.40.00
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Bluetooth® Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for USB Audio Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Digital Microphones
    Monitor(s) Displays
    as outfitted
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200 (as recommended)
    Hard Drives
    one SSD 1TB
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    as outfitted
    Internet Speed
    800MB/sec up & down
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    Device name REC-840
    Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1360P 2.20 GHz
    Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.6 GB usable)
    Product ID 00355-61334-62672-AAOEM
    System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
    Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Altair 8800
sending full backups for six computers to cloud storage every night,
Tony, Are the computers in question home computers? If so are you making full images on every one of them every day???
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.3775
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme+ 4gb Solidigm nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
Tony, Are the computers in question home computers? If so are you making full images on every one of them every day???

There are those online who state they make full backups every night. Now I expect they have one computer. I've been doing a full automated backup every five days and an automated incremental backup the other four. This is as compared to the 'before days' in which I broke the HDDs out of the safe and did a full backup on each computer each month, which honestly worked fine! But at the moment I'm deep down the rabbit hole of backup-world, experimenting and learning. Now that I've learned the intricacies of my NAS I've settled on an easy-to-maintain strategy, which I will post here soon.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 24H2 (Build 26100.3476)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    This laptop is an HP 840
    CPU
    i7-1360p 2.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 8B41 KBC Version 51.40.00
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Bluetooth® Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for USB Audio Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Digital Microphones
    Monitor(s) Displays
    as outfitted
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200 (as recommended)
    Hard Drives
    one SSD 1TB
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    as outfitted
    Internet Speed
    800MB/sec up & down
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    Device name REC-840
    Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1360P 2.20 GHz
    Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.6 GB usable)
    Product ID 00355-61334-62672-AAOEM
    System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
    Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Altair 8800
Thankyou. I keep my important personal files in a Veracrypt container which I am currently uploading to the Cloud - just in case !
Update: It is taking forever !
You don't necessarily have to use the cloud, as there exist other ways to store a copy off-site.

The copy that you have at your son's meets the definition of 'off-site' equally fine, and, even if you want to use the cloud, you don't necessarily have to use it in such a way that all your important data will be uploaded to it all of the time.

There are things that you can do to improve the time it takes to finish the upload tasks. Or consider to do.

For example, maybe not all of your data is so hugely important to you that you want to have an additional copy of it in the cloud. Not all my data has the same level of 'critical-ness' so, to some minor extent, I tend to use multiple different variations of the same backup rule. I definitely don't back up the whole shebang on a daily schedule, that's for sure. Also, periodical backups don't necessarily have to be on a fixed schedule. I only make backups whenever I feel like I need to.

Further, there are pros and there are cons to incremental/differential backup strategies, but one of the pros is that they can help to reduce the amount of data to be copied over slow data connections. Be it over a slow internet connection or onto a slow HDD or onto a slow HDD over a slow internet connection. For reasons that should be completely obvious, hooking a fast SSD up to a remote computer over a slow internet doesn't make the fast-ish SSD run any faster than what the slow internet is capable to keep up with.

Although it certainly depends, another good idea could be to set up your own private cloud as opposed to choosing to use a public cloud service. You could decide to set up a private cloud at your son's, and, at the same time also, maybe he could set up another private cloud at your place. A private cloud doesn't necessarily have to be on a NAS. A decent router these days has at least a USB 3.0 port on it that offers a fast enough transfer speed to keep up with typical internet upload speeds, and fast enough to be used as a cheaper alternative to an affordable NAS.

That being said, an expensive NAS is almost always going to better unless maybe if it is a very heavily overpriced NAS. However, even if it isn't in any way overpriced, yet still rather expensive, it might be overkill for what exactly it is that you need. Either way, for reasons that should again be completely obvious, using a fast NAS over a slow internet will still be slow. A lot also depends on what your expectations are.

Besides this, there are a few other caveats to also want to keep in mind if choosing to take the NAS route for backups. TechTarget website has a series of great articles that explain in good detail (and without getting overly technical) what I am referring to here; these articles are free, albeit you need to sign up with an email account to get access to these articles.

I don't have a NAS because it's overkill for what I need, expensive if it has to be a decent one, and the Asus RT-AX92U 2-Pack that I have still ticks all my boxes at least for now (and for the price I paid, I can't buy a decent empty NAS that could maybe satisfy my needs after it's been equipped with a few storage devices).

The first thing I would do in your case is keep two copies at your son's instead of only one, and, in addition, I would remember to always keep at least one of these two copies in the (air gapped) safe spot so if one drive leaves the safe spot, the other drive does not. You can still alternate between them of course.

Just never move both drives out of of the air gapped safe spot at once. An air gapped safe spot = the drive(s) stored in there must be physically disconnected from the wall outlet and must also be physically disconnected from all electronics devices, away from the computer and away from electric/electronic circuits. That is, excepting only maybe if they are ones that are physically disconnected from the power grid and can be regarded as 'fairly safe', and that don't hold any electric charge nor are physically connected to something that doesnt meet these same criteria [that would otherwise enable them to be regarded as 'fairly safe'].
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (Build: 22631.4317)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Flipbook Q504UAK - BHI5T13 [ Hybrid (2-in-1) Touch ]
    CPU
    7th gen Intel® Core™ i5 - 7200U (3MB Cache, 2.5GHz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS UX560A
    Memory
    16GB => 8GB [on-board] & 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666MHZ SoDIMM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® HD Graphics 620
    Sound Card
    Harmon/Kardon built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    Touchscreen: 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 1920 x 1080 pixels Matt 16:9
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 2TB SSD 870 EVO [SATA]; Samsung 1TB SSD 980 PRO [NVMe Gen3];
    Samsung 4TB SSD T7 Shield [Portable]
    PSU
    19v@2.36A 45W - 20v@5.0A 65W PD (USB-C to Barrel plug 4.0mm x 1.35mm)
    Case
    Aluminum
    Cooling
    Standard cooling fan
    Keyboard
    Backlit, built-in keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech Mice: G502X & G602
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac
    Browser
    Firefox v131.0.2
    Other Info
    Card Reader, WLAN, 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n), Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac) , Webcam, HDMI x1
That being said, an expensive NAS is almost always going to better unless maybe if it is a very heavily overpriced NAS. However, even if it isn't in any way overpriced, yet still rather expensive, it might be overkill for what exactly it is that you need. Either way, for reasons that should again be completely obvious, using a fast NAS over a slow internet will still be slow. A lot also depends on what your expectations are.

Re: the price of an NAS, I am delighted with the unit my brother- the IT guy for a northern US state- advised that I get. $1,279 for a 24TB (in Raid 0) server, pre-tested, with no additional costs. Almost plug-and-play easy to set up and a ton of fun to play with and learn about.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 24H2 (Build 26100.3476)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    This laptop is an HP 840
    CPU
    i7-1360p 2.20 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 8B41 KBC Version 51.40.00
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Bluetooth® Audio; Intel® Smart Sound Technology for USB Audio Intel® Smart Sound Technology for Digital Microphones
    Monitor(s) Displays
    as outfitted
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200 (as recommended)
    Hard Drives
    one SSD 1TB
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    as outfitted
    Internet Speed
    800MB/sec up & down
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    Device name REC-840
    Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1360P 2.20 GHz
    Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.6 GB usable)
    Product ID 00355-61334-62672-AAOEM
    System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
    Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Altair 8800
Re: the price of an NAS, I am delighted with the unit my brother- the IT guy for a northern US state- advised that I get. $1,279 for a 24TB (in Raid 0) server, pre-tested, with no additional costs. Almost plug-and-play easy to set up and a ton of fun to play with and learn about.
Well if you look at current prices on amazon you'll sound find that newegg is charging you $421 extra for just 4GB more DDR4 RAM +assembly +testing. If that ain't overpicing, I haven't a clue what could be.
In addition, buying the HDDs themselves from Synology is fairly stupid IMO. There are more affordable alternatives to be found, e.g. these.
Finally, who on earth chooses RAID 0 for storing backups. 🤷‍♂️
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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