How to copy backups to multiple drives? (the "3" in 3-2-1)


@hdmi, my world for the past 20 years has been trading the stock market. I need a fast and reliable backup strategy that works. My 3-2-1 strategy is outlined earlier in this thread. I can make a Macrium Reflect X image of my entire C drive, including all my data and photos, in just a little over 3 minutes. For the way I work, backup time is important. Macrium Reflect and Windows built-in OneDrive have never failed me.

My background: My first computer was the original IBM PC in 1981. I was unemployed at the time. I purchased MS BASIC, Pascal, C, and Assembler. I worked day and night studying and a year later was able to pass interviews to become a software engineer for a major corporation. Over the years with them, I wrote their internal telephone system, their customer support system, and I was webmaster for their first corporate website. I retired early as I was making more trading stocks than I was making from my job. My college degree is in music performance on piano and violin. I'm totally self trained in computers with no computer science degree.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    Dell XPS 16 9640
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 185H
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 7467 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.3 inch 4K+ OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
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    None
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    960 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
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    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
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    Microsoft PowerToys
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    BitLocker
    CoPilot
@hdmi, my world for the past 20 years has been trading the stock market. I need a fast and reliable backup strategy that works. My 3-2-1 strategy is outlined earlier in this thread. I can make a Macrium Reflect X image of my entire C drive, including all my data and photos, in just a little over 3 minutes.
I never need to make an image of my entire C drive, as all my important personal files like documents, photos and videos are separately backed up like I said, and unimportant files either are not backed up or are almost never backed up. Having more control over what gets included and what gets excluded in the image is high among primary reasons why my strategy is fast, and noticeably faster when compared to making an image of my entire C drive. Like I also said, (VSS) snapshot-based images of the C drive that are created while Windows is still actively running on the C drive aren't reliable enough due to adding several potential risks in exchange for nothing real. As a matter of fact, for how I use my 2 laptops, a snaphot-based strategy wouldn't even be able to work anyway in the first place.
For the way I work, backup time is important.
See above. Even if could find an easy way to make your strategy work for me, it would still not be any faster. There would be useless bloat, and reliability would suffer.
Macrium Reflect and Windows built-in OneDrive have never failed me.
My house never caught on fire. Ergo, getting a home fire insurance was a poor strategy, as I could have gotten more whisky instead. Getting more whisky would have never failed me. Enough said.
My background: My first computer was the original IBM PC in 1981. I was unemployed at the time. I purchased MS BASIC, Pascal, C, and Assembler. I worked day and night studying and a year later was able to pass interviews to become a software engineer for a major corporation. Over the years with them, I wrote their internal telephone system, their customer support system, and I was webmaster for their first corporate website. I retired early as I was making more trading stocks than I was making from my job. My college degree is in music performance on piano and violin. I'm totally self trained in computers with no computer science degree.
I didn't graduate until more than a few years after I dropped out of university TBH. I know as well as you do that diplomas and training certificates are not the be all end all, and the thing about whitepapers is that toilet paper are a kind of white paper too. However, when it comes to understanding what snapshots can and cannot be used for, I also know that there are places on the internet where I could try to explain (and re-re-re-explain) some fundamental concepts of why snaphots aren't backups until I weighed an ounce and still continue to fall on deaf ears, if you mean what I get........
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
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    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
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    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
For reasons that are not wholly dissimilar to why I avoid whatever-copy like the plague, I avoid Macrium like the plague.
But you do use FastCopy, right?
If you mean that Macrium is bad software, can you please explain why (besides the VSS stuff)? I'm still evaluating it and I don't want to spend money on a bad solution.

I also use FastCopy to, also manually, copy important personal files from the laptop's internal SSD to multiple external USB 3.0 HDDs
So you don't do the usual "versioned" backups like full, differential and/or incremental, but rather synchronize your primary directories with the backup duplicates on the external drives?
If yes, then why so?

I have several "entities" I need to backup. My system volume only contains Windows and apps. Was going to backup it using bootable media so the Windows is not running at all while being backed up (because I'm very conservative in this regard, was using Norton Ghost previously). But I also need to selectively backup some folders on other drives/partitions.
Is Macrium suitable for these tasks? If not, then what you'd suggest?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
@hdmi, am I then understanding your saying that your backup solution is the only right way because all other backup solutions are slower and unreliable?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 9640
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 185H
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 7467 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.3 inch 4K+ OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    960 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft PowerToys
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    BitLocker
    CoPilot
If you mean that Macrium is bad software, can you please explain why (besides the VSS stuff)? I'm still evaluating it and I don't want to spend money on a bad solution.
That is hdmi's personal opinion, particularly the VSS stuff. It is a minority view, but he's welcome to express it all the same.

I've been using Macrium Reflect since 2017 when v7 was first released. First as Reflect Free, then I purchased a 4-pack of v7 licences for Reflect Home a year later. I upgraded those to v8 when it was released, and I now have bought two additional licences, one v8 and one for Reflect X Home. I now have 6 licences, with several more PCs still on Reflect Free.

I have more PCs to back than just the five listed in 'My Computers' below. Over those 8 years I have literally made thousands of images, and many hundreds of restores. Never had any issues.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
The bottom line is that each user has requirements for backups that require their own plan suitable for specific needs. And if those needs are met the mission is accomplished. Everyone must be satisfied with their own backup plan. And there are plans and tools for (all) requirements and needs. Just make sure you have a plan.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home, ver 24H2 build 26100.3037
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Hewlett-Packard Spectre 13-4001 x360 convertable
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 5200U @ 2.20GH
    Motherboard
    Hewlett-Packard 802D
    Memory
    4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 5500 on board
    Sound Card
    Intel Smart Sound Technology (Intel SST)
    Hard Drives
    Micron 256GB M.2 2280 NGFF SSD MTFDDAV256TBN, (SATA 6.0 Gb/s)
    Keyboard
    Model # G01KB
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    born on date: 25 Feb 2016
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    Win 10 22H2 build 19045.3693
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Desktop model M32AD-US019S (new 2015)
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 4th Gen 4790 (3.60GHz), Haswell 22nm Technology, SOCKET 1150
    Motherboard
    H81M-E/M51AD/DP_MB
    Memory
    16 GB (8GB in 2 modules)
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760, 3GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP EliteDisplay E241i LED; HP EliteDisplay E243
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 500GB SSD, 870 EVO (SATA 6.0 )
    Micron 250GB SSD, CT250MX500
    Toshiba HDD, 3GB (original drive w/PC)
    Case
    ASUS
    Keyboard
    ASUS-------------------------
    Antivirus
    MS Defender
@hdmi, am I then understanding your saying that your backup solution is the only right way because all other backup solutions are slower and unreliable?
Of course not. Why would you even think that anyway? For anything work related, I never use my 2 laptops that you see in my specs. These are just for my own personal hobby stuff. I am not allowed to publicly discuss specific details about what I use for work, but what I can tell you is that it isn't running on a Microsoft operating system, and, the backup mechanism that it uses doesn't even come close to anything that has ever been mentioned on Elevenforum or Tenforums.

Java Enterprise software development is just not a topic on here. In part, it's because Microsoft has pretty much always turned its back towards it, but all the largest corporations use it. Just to give only one example of how relevant Java technology is in the modern world, Google announced last year that they are switching from C++ to Java and Rust.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
That is hdmi's personal opinion, particularly the VSS stuff. It is a minority view, but he's welcome to express it all the same.
No, it isn't my personal opinion. Rather, it's what is written in the official documentation from Microsoft.
I've been using Macrium Reflect since 2017 when v7 was first released. First as Reflect Free, then I purchased a 4-pack of v7 licences for Reflect Home a year later. I upgraded those to v8 when it was released, and I now have bought two additional licences, one v8 and one for Reflect X Home. I now have 6 licences, with several more PCs still on Reflect Free.

I have more PCs to back than just the five listed in 'My Computers' below. Over those 8 years I have literally made thousands of images, and many hundreds of restores. Never had any issues.
That's just because you've been lucky.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
That's just because you've been lucky.
Can you please clarify if you mean usage of VSS or you're speaking about Macrium in general?
If I should consider better (more reliable) backup software, could you please share what you'd use?
I mean, besides copying directories to external drives, I thought that versioned images (full, diff., incr.) is the way to go. If this approach is not good for any reason, please share your knowledge or some keywords so I can google and study how to do that better. Of course, I'm interested in reliability primarily (for system drive as well as for other separate folders), the second priority is space requirements, and the least important is speed. But, of course, not something inconveniently slow. Unless it's the only option while all the fast(er) ones are just so unreliable that they sabotage the whole purpose of backups.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
But you do use FastCopy, right?
Yes, I use the free version of it. RealTimeSync, which is a feature of FreeFileSync, can also be set up such that it uses a separate copy tool within a batch file. Since FastCopy can be run from the command line or within a batch file, it can be used also for this purpose, but I don't use FreeFileSync personally.
If you mean that Macrium is bad software, can you please explain why (besides the VSS stuff)? I'm still evaluating it and I don't want to spend money on a bad solution.
It isn't bad software, but for reliability it just isn't that great. While it is true that it also has a bootable Rescue Media that lets you run the image creation process in an isolated environment (WinRE/WinPE-based), its bootable Rescue Media still lacks a few important features IMO, and, I am not convinced that the verification mechanism that its bootable Rescue Media uses is equally as robust as that of the bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image. AFAIK the former doesn't read the data twice from the source. Whereas the latter does have that option, and is designed such that it keeps the difference between the verification process and the restore operation very small. This engineering concept also helps data forensics experts to investigate whether the verification process is trustworthy. Thing is, you don't even have to pay extra for it. As a matter of fact, if you are the owner of an eligible storage device from Western Digital, Crucial, Sabrent, ADATA or Seagate, you get a free license.

The main difference [between the verification process that the bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image has and the restore operation that it also has] is that, unlike the restore operation, the verification process doesn't write the data from image to the source, but rather, it compares the data from image to the data already present on the source. It also means that, when verification is enabled, the data is read twice from the source (one time to create the image, one time to verify that image). Since no running processes can interfere with the data present on the source at any time during this whole job of creating the image and verifying the image immediately after it has successfully been created, it helps to ensure that the data captured from the source is valid and free of errors/inconsistencies. But if it doesn't read the data twice from the source, there's the potential risk that read errors are not detected. That plus the lack of important (to me, anyway) features is why I don't use the bootable Rescue Media of Macrium Reflect 8.1 Free. As for Macrium Reflect X, its bootable Rescue Media still lacks a few important features, and I am still not convinced that its bootable Rescue Media's verification mechanism can fully be trusted. It also costs more than Acronis True Image. So, why should I pay more for less?

Backups are a form of data protection. Protections that cannot be trusted due to too many unknown factors aren't the greatest IMO. That's just my own personal opinion. However, facts about the VSS that are documented by Microsoft are not part of that opinion. Those are just facts.
So you don't do the usual "versioned" backups like full, differential and/or incremental, but rather synchronize your primary directories with the backup duplicates on the external drives?
If yes, then why so?
The bootable Rescue Media of Acronis True Image lets me create full/incremental images as needed. It also lets me specify file/folder exclusions, conveniently in its GUI, also as needed. FastCopy runs in Diff mode by default. FastCopy may be fast especially in Diff mode, but I also use it for its stability and reliability with optional verification, optional on-the-fly file hash codes calculation+logging, and Unicode-supporting per-file error logging. I also use WinRAR on large numbers of small files mostly, as creating+copying+extracting a .zip file usually will be faster than directly copying many small files.

Besides the external drives, I also use a private cloud on my RT-AX92U 2-Pack mesh system from Asus. Each node also has a USB 3.0 port that performs well enough for it to be used as a cheap NAS replacement.
I have several "entities" I need to backup. My system volume only contains Windows and apps. Was going to backup it using bootable media so the Windows is not running at all while being backed up (because I'm very conservative in this regard, was using Norton Ghost previously). But I also need to selectively backup some folders on other drives/partitions.
Is Macrium suitable for these tasks? If not, then what you'd suggest?
For backing up folders, creating an image is simply not necessary. Copying the folders with verification ensures that read errors don't go undetected, and that the copied data matches the data on the source. That's why I recommend to use FastCopy, at least when it comes to copying folders to external storage.

Additionally, file hash codes can also be stored for later (re-) verification of the data. FastCopy also has a separate tool, FcHash.exe, that can be used to re-calculate file hash codes. So you can compare the re-calculated codes to the original codes to see if they still match. If they no longer do, it means that the file in question contains data that no longer is identical to the original data, so you could then decide to investigate why.

As another bonus, copying of folders effectively eliminates any dependencies on proprietary backup file formats. This also means that the copies can be accessed immediately on any working PC so all you need is to plug it in.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Can you please clarify if you mean usage of VSS or you're speaking about Macrium in general?
I mean any snapshot-based backup [of Windows and applications] that is created while Windows is still actively running on the system. Booting to an isolated environment (WinRE/WinPE-based) is compulsory if the goal is to effectively eliminate the potential risk of errors/inconsistencies in the backup that may result from running processes interfering with the backup process. When I say running processes, I am not only referring to things like malware. Just because you closed all running applications before the backup job starts, doesn't necessarily also mean that there are no processes still running actively in the background. Also, closing applications and/or quitting background processes to try to mitigate these risks is still usually just a poor alternative choice to using the bootable Rescue Media, when the latter choice is still typically going to be quite fast enough if you have a modern NVMe SSD. This is especially if, like me, you don't see the benefit of making an incremental image of Windows and applications more frequently than just a few times per year on one or two computers.

Had there been more than a few computers, I would have taken the iPXE chainloading route. It takes some effort to set it up, but I am sure that it would have been worth. Another thing that I would have considered to use is the Acronis MVP Assistant 3.4.0 (download link at the bottom of this post).
If I should consider better (more reliable) backup software, could you please share what you'd use?
It depends. For how I use my 2 laptops, I would probably stick to my current methods. The reason why it depends is because backup reliability is directly related to security as a whole.
I mean, besides copying directories to external drives, I thought that versioned images (full, diff., incr.) is the way to go. If this approach is not good for any reason, please share your knowledge or some keywords so I can google and study how to do that better. Of course, I'm interested in reliability primarily (for system drive as well as for other separate folders), the second priority is space requirements, and the least important is speed. But, of course, not something inconveniently slow. Unless it's the only option while all the fast(er) ones are just so unreliable that they sabotage the whole purpose of backups.
The various copy modes of FastCopy are explained here. I recommend to read through the entire help page, then run a few tests and try to experiment with FastCopy. There is a learning curve, but it pays off nicely in the end.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
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    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
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    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
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    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
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    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
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    Logitech G402
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    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
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@hdmi are you claiming that VSS is fallible? Macrium told me that a backup with Windows running is reliable. I normally boot into Macrium's recovery environment because it is quicker than runiing in Windows or booting from a USB SSD.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.2894
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Swift SF114-34
    CPU
    Pentium Silver N6000 1.10GHz
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD
    Cooling
    fanless
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot Secure Anywhere
    Other Info
    System 3

    ASUS T100TA Transformer
    Processor Intel Atom Z3740 @ 1.33GHz
    Installed RAM 2.00 GB (1.89 GB usable)
    System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor

    Edition Windows 10 Home
    Version 22H2 build 19045.3570
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
    CPU
    Atom N450 1.66GHz
    Memory
    2GB
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Webroot
Also, in regard to Image Guardian, one can use MR interface to remove this guard, temporarily, on a drive for things such as file deletion and modification.
From past experience I found that you can't modify or delete files from an image.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
From past experience I found that you can't modify or delete files from an image.
I agree.
I was referring to the ability to delete files contained on the drive, rather than those within an image file itself.
Thank you for helping me to clarify what it was that I was trying to say.
👍
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 26100.2605
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    ASUS X470 Prime Pro
    Memory
    32GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware 2518HF
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Boot: NVME WDC WDS500G; ASUS M.2 Riser card with 3 additional NVME drives
    Various Internal SDD (Samsung and WDC) and HDD drives mostly Western Digital
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus Gold 650W
    Case
    Corsair 200R
    Cooling
    Noctua PWM fans x 3
    Keyboard
    Corsair K60 SE Pro
    Mouse
    Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE
    Internet Speed
    500/500
    Browser
    MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes Premium
True, and if (as I often do) you forget about this, then when MIG blocks you the popup gives you the option to go to MIG settings and change it on the fly.
The few times I tried, I couldn't make any changes to an image. The only thing I could do is delete it.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
@hdmi are you claiming that VSS is fallible?
Yes, I think I outlined that part of the equation in reasonable detail and without getting over-technical in my post here.
Macrium told me that a backup with Windows running is reliable.
I guess that a lot depends on what's your own personal definition of "reliable". 😂
I normally boot into Macrium's recovery environment because it is quicker than runiing in Windows or booting from a USB SSD.
Yes, as long as you can be sure that the Macrium Reflect recovery environment is still working correctly, it should be equivalent to booting from Macrium Reflect's bootable Rescue Media. AFAIK the only difference (besides the time it takes to load) is that it uses a boot menu to eliminate the need to boot from USB (or DVD), although a USB drive with the bootable Rescue Media on it is still recommended to have so that you can still use that in the possible event that, e.g., the Macrium Reflect recovery environment is lost or gets corrupted somehow. Techie Tuesday: Adding a boot menu option for system image recovery

However, it being equivalent also means that when you use it to create an image, the verification process used will still be the same. As a result, the flaws that this verification process has will also be the same.
 

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  • OS
    11 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
From past experience I found that you can't modify or delete files from an image.
  1. Mount the image
  2. Copy the content from the mounted image
  3. Modify the copied content
  4. Create a new image from the modified content.
 

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    Laptop
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    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  1. Mount the image
  2. Copy the content from the mounted image
  3. Modify the copied content
  4. Create a new image from the modified content.
That's not what I talking about. I'm talking about not being able to modify the existing image. Your way is creating a new image.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
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    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
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    Logitek K270
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    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
From past experience I found that you can't modify or delete files from an image.
  1. Mount the image
  2. Copy the content from the mounted image
  3. Modify the copied content
  4. Create a new image from the modified content.
That will only allow you to make a modified image of one single partition. Not that useful if you then want to restore the full image plus the changes to the physical machine.

No, you can't make any changes to a system image once it has been written. If you really need to though, there is a way to modify the complete system, adding/deleting files, installing/uninstalling software, etc., then make an image of the modified system.

Use viBoot to boot the image as a virtual machine, Hyper-V or VirtualBox are supported. Make your changes in the VM then shut down the VM. From within viBoot you can now make a backup. You can choose to make an Incremental, a Differential, or a Full backup. If you choose Incremental of Differential this will be added to the backup set of the image that you had booted from. It's then possible to restore this modified image and its incremental/differential to the original machine, or restore the new Full image if that's what you chose to make.

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
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    Firefox, Edge
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    Defender
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
That will only allow you to make a modified image of one single partition. Not that useful if you then want to restore the full image plus the changes to the physical machine.

No, you can't make any changes to a system image once it has been written. If you really need to though, there is a way to modify the complete system, adding/deleting files, installing/uninstalling software, etc., then make an image of the modified system.

Use viBoot to boot the image as a virtual machine, Hyper-V or VirtualBox are supported. Make your changes in the VM then shut down the VM. From within viBoot you can now make a backup. You can choose to make an Incremental, a Differential, or a Full backup. If you choose Incremental of Differential this will be added to the backup set of the image that you had booted from. It's then possible to restore this modified image and its incremental/differential to the original machine, or restore the new Full image if that's what you chose to make.

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If all the modifications you want are trivial in the particular sense that making them doesn't actually require to boot the image, then I suppose you could always decide to just restore the partition(s) to a target that has enough unallocated space, then make the modifications you want, and then finally create a new image by selecting these partition(s) as the source.
 

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    11 Home
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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