Macrium Reflect v10

pparks1 · Jun 28, 2024

cereberus said:
The killer question is if it is lease only or can we get a perpetual licence. I would consider a perpetual licence if the upgrade deal was ok for one licence. I doubt I would upgrade my other 4 V8 licences though

Well, version 8 you could do either option. Lease for like $40 a computer, or buy for $80 a computer. I would have to assume that they will continue to offer this option.

andrew129260 · Jun 28, 2024

TraderGary said:
I follow the 3,2,1 backup rule.
3 copies of my data
2 different backup technologies
1 copy must always be offsite

I work from home and am my own boss, so my data is vitally important to me.

Every evening I make two Macrium Reflect images to two 4TB Samsung T9 SSD's each containing 5 rotating images. My image size is currently 397 GB. The SSD's are only connected for the short time it takes to do an image which is currently averaging 5 minutes 30 seconds to do. I do the two images while I am working in the evening.

I work entirely from my local 1 Terabyte C Drive and all my data is kept in my OneDrive folder. I'm a Microsoft 365 subscriber which includes 1 Terabyte of OneDrive cloud storage. I have OneDrive set to mirror my local OneDrive folder, thus I always have all my work backed up throughout the day in real-time as I work.

That's it. 3,2,1. Three separate copies of my data using Two different technologies. One copy is always offsite and kept in real-time.

That is quite a committed backup schedule. I love it.

I just created an unattended windows install with all my programs installed and reg tweaks and all that good stuff, and then just have some externals as a data backup. That way if anything goes wrong, I just pop my unattended in and then copy my data over and whala. I don't need to bother with system image backups and all that jazz.

I do have macrium though to backup to an external nvme should I need to.

Bree · Jul 10, 2024

Froggie said:
Nope, it looks like v9 has been bypassed. It's being called vX

Nope, looks like it's being called v10

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pseymour · Jul 10, 2024

andrew129260 said:
That way if anything goes wrong, I just pop my unattended in and then copy my data over and whala. I don't need to bother with system image backups and all that jazz.

Man, I thought I was the only one! There are at least two of us!

hsehestedt · Jul 10, 2024

pseymour said:
Man, I thought I was the only one! There are at least two of us!

Make that at least 3 of us

I am WAY too paranoid about losing data. In my years of working with PCs including 25+ years doing Enterprise Support, I can tell you some horror stories about backup failures including a major bank that lost tens of thousands of customer records.

If I ever lost my data, my life would become considerably less enjoyable.

andrew129260 · Jul 10, 2024

pseymour said:
Man, I thought I was the only one! There are at least two of us!

hsehestedt said:
Make that at least 3 of us

I am WAY too paranoid about losing data. In my years of working with PCs including 25+ years doing Enterprise Support, I can tell you some horror stories about backup failures including a major bank that lost tens of thousands of customer records.

If I ever lost my data, my life would become considerably less enjoyable.

Yeah I find it so much more convenient. Plus I can walk away and it does all the work. I also tested some stuff out lately and during the check for updates stage it can even grab the latest feature pack so thats awesome. Truly plug in and walk away

https://imgur.com/R1fdEt3

cereberus · Jul 11, 2024

pseymour said:
Man, I thought I was the only one! There are at least two of us!

And spend hours getting apps settings all back to where they were LOL.

Takes me 4 to 8 minutes with image backup, but hey if you want to take the "scenic" route, up to you.

andrew129260 · Jul 11, 2024

cereberus said:
And spend hours getting apps settings all back to where they were LOL.

Takes me 4 to 8 minutes with image backup, but hey if you want to take the "scenic" route, up to you.

The settings stay for me

And like I said, I do have macrium if I need to roll back. But I pretty much never have to do a restore. I only had one bad windows update and I didnt need to do anything other than a repair install. Which the image wouldnt have fixed anyway because the update refused to install and I didn't know what broke it in the first place.

I never have to restore windows.

pseymour · Jul 11, 2024

cereberus said:
And spend hours getting apps settings all back to where they were LOL.

Takes me 4 to 8 minutes with image backup, but hey if you want to take the "scenic" route, up to you.

Yep, I get why people do image-based backups. But for me, the scenic route is the whole point. I install and uninstall a lot of tools to try them out, or do some particular task I only need to do briefly. Once or twice a year, I clean the drive and reinstall what's still in use. Between that and periodic bathing, I feel fresh as a daisy.

Kees · Jul 11, 2024

pseymour said:
I install and uninstall a lot of tools to try them out, or do some particular task I only need to do briefly.

For that purpose I have installed an extra Windows 11 version in VirtualBox 7.
I did not activate that installation, because it only serves as test-environment.
In VirtualBox you can make snapshots of any phase the Windows installation is in or after installing some testsoftware, just as you like.
All software I test, is tested first in the test-environment and if, after thorough testing, I decide to stay using it, I then install the package on my normal system (which is the same as where VirtualBox is installed). If I don't like a program I simply throw away the snapshot that I saved it on.

Since I do that, I have had much less problems with packages that would not let them uninstall completely, packages that took over default program settings etc. My main system stays 100% clean (as far as tested software is concerned).

TraderGary · Jul 11, 2024

pseymour said:
Yep, I get why people do image-based backups. But for me, the scenic route is the whole point. I install and uninstall a lot of tools to try them out, or do some particular task I only need to do briefly. Once or twice a year, I clean the drive and reinstall what's still in use. Between that and periodic bathing, I feel fresh as a daisy.

I too do several clean installs every year. That's the only way I can be certain that my system is really clean. I make my Macrium Reflect images every day, but I've never done a Macrium system restore, and doubt that I ever will.

I can do a clean install in less than an hour while I continue to use my second computer. Since all my data is kept in my OneDrive folder, when I move between my two computers it's totally transparent, and I don't miss a beat with my work.

andrew129260 · Jul 11, 2024

Kees said:
For that purpose I have installed an extra Windows 11 version in VirtualBox 7.
I did not activate that installation, because it only serves as test-environment.
In VirtualBox you can make snapshots of any phase the Windows installation is in or after installing some test software, just as you like.
All software I test, is tested first in the test-environment and if, after thorough testing, I decide to stay using it, I then install the package on my normal system (which is the same as where VirtualBox is installed). If I don't like a program I simply throw away the snapshot that I saved it on.

Since I do that, I have had much less problems with packages that would not let them uninstall completely, packages that took over default program settings etc. My main system stays 100% clean (as far as tested software is concerned).

Same here. I use vmware workstation heavily. I have every OS as a virtual machine with snapshots. If I ever want to test out some non security / utility software super quick, I just use windows sandbox. But otherwise, it's my VM's.

hsehestedt · Jul 11, 2024

TraderGary said:
I too do several clean installs every year. That's the only way I can be certain that my system is really clean. I make my Macrium Reflect images every day, but I've never done a Macrium system restore, and doubt that I ever will.

I can do a clean install in less than an hour while I continue to use my second computer. Since all my data is kept in my OneDrive folder, when I move between my two computers it's totally transparent, and I don't miss a beat with my work.

That's funny. I operate very much the same way. I do a full image backup of my OS drive, but realistically, if something went wrong I would reinstall from scratch. The only real use I would have for the full image is to be able to mount the image and grab a few individual files. Also, there is some software, like Macrium Reflect, that excepts you to deactivate it before reinstalling Windows. If my OS drive died, I could boot the Reflect backup and deactivate software like Reflect before performing my clean install.

budeone · Jul 12, 2024

I'm not sure I follow something... I use the free version and was planning on. Buying the home Ed. The way a read this if I buy 8 and 10 comes out I have to buy it all over again?

hsehestedt · Jul 12, 2024

budeone said:
I'm not sure I follow something... I use the free version and was planning on. Buying the home Ed. The way a read this if I buy 8 and 10 comes out I have to buy it all over again?

Not if you purchase it as a subscription.

budeone · Jul 12, 2024

hsehestedt said:
Not if you purchase it as a subscription.

Thank you~!

Bree · Jul 12, 2024

budeone said:
I'm not sure I follow something... I use the free version and was planning on. Buying the home Ed. The way a read this if I buy 8 and 10 comes out I have to buy it all over again?

The subscription purchase gets all subsequent version updates. The one time purchase only gets updates for the version purchased, currently v8.

However, in the past is has been Macrium's practice to offer a free upgrade if the current version was bought within 6 month of the next version's release. We do no know when that will be though, we only know that v10 is in Beta testing.

budeone · Jul 12, 2024

Bree said:
The subscription purchase gets all subsequent version updates. The one time purchase only gets updates for the version purchased, currently v8.

However, in the past is has been Macrium's practice to offer a free upgrade if the current version was bought within 6 month of the next version's release. We do no know when that will be though, we only know that v10 is in Beta testing.

Great info, thanks

cereberus · Jul 13, 2024

Bree said:
The subscription purchase gets all subsequent version updates. The one time purchase only gets updates for the version purchased, currently v8.

However, in the past is has been Macrium's practice to offer a free upgrade if the current version was bought within 6 month of the next version's release. We do no know when that will be though, we only know that v10 is in Beta testing.

Sadly, I do not expect such generous offerings

but we can hope....

jimbo45 · Jul 13, 2024

Hi there
Subscription things just rule me out of any of this,

I have loads of storage on 2 Linux NAS systems (around 30 TB in total).
I simply just backup my Windows systems (always on vhdx files) to the NAS as and when -- with fast LAN, and Windows systems around 30 - 50 GB each copying the whole vhdx files requires no paid software and runs fast enough on any sensible system.

For data backup - I just use rsync which backs up changed data / new data as and when I need it plus anything really urgent / criticaI back up to cloud.

Every so often overnight etc I just copy NAS1 to NAS2 so plenty of local backup. I've plenty of external USB disks if I need to store anything on removable disks.

In my case - I can't see what Macrium or any of the programs really bring to the table any more. However everybody has different systems so there's no "correct" answer or methodology for this stuff -- apart from the fact you should ALWAYS have sufficient backup for critical data no matter how you make thoe backup.

To copy 4 TB of data takes me approx 5.5 hrs from NAS to NAS so easy to run that type of stuff overnight when copying NAS1 to NAS2 to backup the primary NAS.

Cheers
jimbo

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