Newer not always better - Intel 14th. Gen Issues


I usually just look at linus tech tips reviews for laptops, or best of lists or the rtings website.

There is a lot of models out there.
I avoid his shilling now as well.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 26100.3037
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel i5-12400F
    Motherboard
    MSI PRO B760M P
    Memory
    2 x16gb DDR4 Patriot Viper Elite II 4000MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte 1660Ti
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 32inch, 60Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1x SP 512GB NVMe (Windows)
    1x Gammix 240gb NVME (Macrium Backups)
    1x 2TB SSD (Downloads)
    1x 2TB BX500 (Games)
    1x 1TB NVME (Steam)
    PSU
    CORSAIR RM650 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular
    Case
    Corsair Carbide 100R
    Cooling
    Stock Intel
    Keyboard
    HyperX RGB
    Mouse
    Red Dragon 612 Predator
    Internet Speed
    100/40
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows
I avoid his shilling now as well.
multiple different people review laptops there, I don't think there is any shilling there at all.

The framework laptops he is invested in is well disclosed when he is involved and tbf are quite good machines.

But as I said, there are multiple websites that do best laptop lists for a certain year, for budget and high end categories.

Also rtings is also really good as I mentioned.

If you take all that info into account its pretty easy to recommended something decent.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700 X3D
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4 3600mhz Gskill Ripjaws V
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 4070 Super , 12GB VRAM Asus EVO Overclock
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte M27Q (rev. 2.0) 2560 x 1440 @ 170hz HDR
    Hard Drives
    2TB Samsung nvme ssd
    2TB XPG nvme ssd
    PSU
    CORSAIR RMx SHIFT Series™ RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
    Case
    CORSAIR 3500X ARGB Mid-Tower ATX PC Case – Black
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW X 240 CPU Water Cooler
    Internet Speed
    900mbps DOWN, 100mbps UP
  • Operating System
    Chrome OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Chromebook
    CPU
    Intel Pentium Quad Core
    Memory
    4GB LPDDR4
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14 Inch HD SVA anti glare micro edge display
    Hard Drives
    64 GB emmc
At the risk of infuriating a few die-hards, I just want to report how I solved all the Intel problems.....

I JUST DON'T BUY THE DANG THINGS!!!
If there's an Intel cpu anywhere in this house, it's in something that someone gave me. If I bought it, it's AMD!

Of all the complaints, I read, on all the forums, about a CPU problem, most of them involve an Intel product.
And without a good cooling fan, they just don't run at all. :mad:

Videos? I don't bother. They just suck up too much of my limited bandwidth.

:cool:
 

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Same, for the exact reasons. Also he is from Australia, someone asked him (about 2 years ago) why him and his mate ONLY post in US dollars, they said oh well get over it. I thought well you are talking about availability here yet......
My comment was about the video in the OP by Carey Holzman. He's not from Australia. I like and follow Hardware Unboxed.
 

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  • OS
    Win 7/10/11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    I'm a computer enthusiast so have quite a few systems that I run. More like an advanced hobby.
This all boils down to why i never buy the top of the line spec CPU's and chase benchmarks. I've never actually felt the real-world gains to be substantial enough to outweigh the stability, longevity, energy, or heat concerns.

Long story short of this debacle is that Intel has never been clear to anybody on what the power delivery spec requirements are, and mobo manufacturers have been free to do whatever is in their best interest....which is often to produce a product with the highest benchmark scores possible to sell more of their product. In turn, Intel continues to sell more products even if it comes at the cost of heat, reduced lifespan or stability.

I'll always take a few % drop in FPS in a game if it comes with stability and energy savings. My EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra runs with a small undervolt. It dropped power by almost 100w and dropped my temps about 10c....those are both much more coveted to me than a slightly higher benchmark score. Not to mention, my clocks stay without any boosting and then dropping. Give me a consistent 133FPS, instead of an average of 136 with much higher power usage.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
Let the finger pointing competitions begin! :cool: Intel and AMD are so bent on trying to outdo each other that quality control is going out the *cough* window.
It's not just a problem with Intel and AMD. Quality control has been replaced with quantity control in just about everything.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
It's not just a problem with Intel and AMD. Quality control has been replaced with quantity control in just about everything.
Personally, I find the alternative unthinkable. Still, I suspect Intel is liable for the lion's share of the blame in this case. AMD has been giving them a good run for the money. This not to say that AMD is that dedicated to quality control of system boards either; but pulling out all the stops just to make the CPU run faster isn't really the answer — especially when we're looking at this sort of wattage just to reach those Hz. I never did quite grasp the idea behind extreme overclocking. It reminds me of drag racing. No real practical application. Look, mom. No hands! lol There will be consequences.
 

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System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.

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