Solved Other than Macrium, what is your recommendation for a backup/clone software for PC


Hi there @Froggie

"Vive Les Grenouilles" !!!

Anyway another way of cloning disks is to get a cheap 2 bay caddy e.g RSHTECH for around €32 and use the offline cloning facility -- just sling 2 disks in the machine (tiny footprint BTW) and select Offline Clone -- press the button for offline cloning and go away --no computer or internet connection even needed.


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Cheers
jimbo
 

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Well yeah :-) ... and it does eliminate DATApath electronic components (other then the ones in the duplicator), but it's a bit "in the way" if you want to clone your System disk (or any other disk) inside your machine without a modicum of disassembly.

AND... it sure doesn't validate undetected READ ERRORs, but it sure does clone the two devices, errors and all.

...and to quote you as in the above... "Vive Les Grenouilles!!"
 

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On any System experiencing "undetected" READ ERRORS, by the time you off-line image your System with the "robust" method you describe above, the DATA being imaged is almost sure to be trashed before the image is even executed. Just think of all those corrupted (non-error detected) DATA changes being changed by apps and rewritten back to the System in an error free state... worthless DATA at this point no matter what type of imaging verification method is used.

In relation to undetected READ ERRORS, the above discussion seems pointless.
It may seem pointless to you, but isn't.

Error Correction Code (ECC) technology is a crucial component in modern SSDs, designed to detect and correct errors that occur during data storage and retrieval. ECC works by generating codes based on the data being written and storing these codes alongside the data. When the data is read, the ECC codes are recalculated and compared to the stored codes to identify and correct any discrepancies.

While ECC significantly enhances data integrity and reliability, it is not entirely "bulletproof". There is still a small possibility that read errors can go undetected, especially in consumer-grade SSDs. The effectiveness of ECC depends on the sophistication of the algorithms used and the quality of the SSD's controller.

In mainstream consumer-grade SSDs, basic ECC is generally adequate for most users, but it may not be as robust as the ECC used in enterprise-grade models, which are designed to meet more stringent reliability requirements. Therefore, while ECC technology greatly reduces the likelihood of undetected read errors, it does not completely eliminate the risk.

Even if a certain block of data is read twice, there still can be no absolute guarantee that both reads cannot fail in such a particular way that 1/ both failures go undetected and 2/ both reads produce identical results. Fortunately however, the chance of this happening is small enough that every engineer (every sane engineer anyway) who understands how data storage works will confirm that a detection mechanism that reads the data twice so as to compare each read result is going to be robust.

That is, at least if implemented in such a way that doesn't spoil this concept with the type of flaws that would defeat its purpose. As an Enterprise Java software developer, preventing these types of flaws plays a critical role in what I do for a living. Sure, most users don't have the same stringent reliability requirements as the people I work for. But then, I am not "most users". lol For one, most users don't ask themselves questions like, e.g., "why should I take the risk?"

Again, I will add that the potential risk of undetected read errors is not the only risk. To mitigate other risks, for most users on a normal Windows PC, choosing to use the bootable media to make a cold image of the Windows installation is still the only way. The effort that it takes to boot from a Ventoy-formatted USB flash drive that had the bootable ISO of Acronis True Image copied onto it is negligible when you only need to make a backup of your Windows partition, like, maybe less than a few times per year so, please tell me why should I take the risk?

Finally, this isn't just about mitigating those risks. It's also about having the extra features that it takes to avoid wasting additional time like futzing around with registry settings to be able to specify file/folder exclusions and being unpermitted to pick a destination folder that is included in the source selection.

What it isn't about, though, are scarecrow tactics. The thing with backups is that they have to be reliable. Else, you have no backups at all. Just because your house never caught on fire, doesn't also mean that you don't need smoke alarms or fire exits. This is not how the world works. You may still choose to believe that this is how the world works. Just like you may choose to believe the Earth is flat.
 

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See if Hasleo has speeded up.

There's also Aomei, which sometimes has a promo for lifetime use.
Aomei is excellent, but the free version does not create a recovery environment like macrium and others do. The free version will only create.a recovery USB or CD.
 

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I purchased Macrium when it was free, and then I was forced to buy it when the discontinued the free version. Now they want an annual subscription, that is a huge increase in price over the original cost. I'm done. Looking for a replacement recommendation. Thank you.

Edit, didn't purchase the free addition, downloaded it..
You can still purchase a perpetual licence. OK a bit dearer but isn't everything!
 

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if you want to clone your System disk it sure doesn't validate undetected READ ERRORs, but it sure does clone the two devices, errors and all.
Does backup software when you do a backup, and the backed up "has errors" when you recover a from a backup, does the software go through the backup and just toss those errors to the curb? :-)
 

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Aomei is excellent, but the free version does not create a recovery environment like macrium and others do. The free version will only create.a recovery USB or CD.
It is so easy to create a recovery environment.

1) create small partition - approx 2 GB,

2) format partition as fat32

3) copy files from recovery usb to partition

4) create boot entry for new partition (using easybcd is easiest way).
 

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    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
i got EaseUS, the lifetime license and bought on sale.. I have not yet needed to use the backup yet, but knowing I have some backups ready..
 

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It is so easy to create a recovery environment.

1) create small partition - approx 2 GB,

2) format partition as fat32

3) copy files from recovery usb to partition

4) create boot entry for new partition (using easybcd is easiest way).
Thank you.
I did not know that.
Please clarify exactly what you mean by #4 so I can try it. Would disk management do it?
 

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