Registry Cleaner App?


One warning: if you try CCleaner, the installer may try to add the Avast antivirus program. (Avast bought CCleaner a while back.) If you don't want Avast, be sure to decline.
...and a tip: Get the portable version from the builds page (that they try really hard to keep secret):

EDIT: Looks down...beat ya by 30 seconds! :LOL:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    Asrock B550 Pro4
    Memory
    4x8=32 GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon RX 6750 XT
    Sound Card
    Syba Sonic DAC SD-DAC63118
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    2 NVME M.2, 1 SATA SSD
    PSU
    XPG Core Reactor 750w
    Case
    Phanteks Enthoo Pro
    Cooling
    Air
    Antivirus
    nope
One warning: if you try CCleaner, the installer may try to add the Avast antivirus program. (Avast bought CCleaner a while back.) If you don't want Avast, be sure to decline.
I appreciate the caveats; it DID try to install Avast - and I agree, I don't want it!
There is a way to avoid all that. Go to CCLeaner's Builds page: CCleaner - Download Builds

At the bottom are two builds, 'CCleaner - Slim' which is the standard installer with none of the unwelcome 'optional extras'.

Better yet though, and the one that I use, is 'CCleaner - Portable'. This is just a zip file that doesn't require an install. What's the difference between a standard CCleaner and the portable edition? Just one file: portable.dat. If this exists in the CCLeaner program folder, then it saves all its settings in ccleaner.ini instead of the registry, everything else about it is exactly the same.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
This from Copilot:

Do registry cleaners need to be used?

The necessity of using registry cleaners is a topic of debate among experts. Here are some key points to consider:

  1. Potential Benefits: Registry cleaners can remove outdated or invalid entries from the Windows Registry, which might help in improving system performance and stability, especially if you frequently install and uninstall software.
  2. Risks: Using registry cleaners can be risky. They might accidentally remove entries that are needed by the system, leading to potential errors or system instability. Microsoft and many experts recommend against using registry cleaners, as they believe the potential harm outweighs the benefits.
  3. Modern Systems: With modern versions of Windows (like Windows 10 and Windows 11), the need for registry cleaners has diminished. These newer operating systems are designed to handle registry bloat more efficiently.
In summary, while registry cleaners can be useful in certain situations, they are generally not necessary and can pose risks if not used carefully. It's often better to rely on built-in system tools and regular maintenance practices to keep your system running smoothly.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 9640
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 185H
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 7467 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.3 inch 4K+ OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    960 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft PowerToys
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    BitLocker
    CoPilot
@saltedm8 - I am looking at it from a third person perspective and we both really have our own points on different sides of the fence. The average user or most users would mean they would have even less resources than a higher-demand setup since 32GB of RAM is more than what most people have which means their resources are even more valuable as they have less to begin with and it really all depends on when their original registry was created. The Ferrari was only a example and really saying some people can buy systems that way exceeds how they use it and not using it to 100% capacity so they will have the resources when needed.

Adobe Tool is for uninstalling and Revo Uninstaller are for uninstalling when you already know what you are removing as that part is given.

The registry cleaning part it to remove excess things so your system works less hard with a database that points to invalid and non-existent things on the system.

It wouldn't be a psychological satisfaction because remember if you read my earlier comments in the thread, it's done automatically so I have nothing to do with it and it's backed up so I don't choose what it cleans and I don't have a choice of accidentally removing something as that's not a option with Norton Utilities. The ones that allows you to select is what is closer to the scenario you mentioned. But in any case since it's backed up, when you notice the problem, all you really need to do is assuming the system no longer boots, you can just boot into safe mode, use the same registry cleaning tool and restore what was removed.

And it doesn't take a registry cleaner to make your system unusable. There had been a time where Microsoft pushed something that stopped Windows from loading Explorer so there is no task bar or start menu and the fix was changing the time to some future date and then things would work. With the registry cleaner that backed up the changes to allow restoring, it's still safer than someone going into regedit.exe and manually deleting things on their own. And sometimes the reason it does not boot has nothing to do with the registry cleaner or changes to the registry itself but could also be caused by other things.
So it's a YMMV situation and one should basically do it at their own risk. Also, think about this, remember people can sue for everything and liability, when was the last time you actually seen any of the companies who makes these registry cleaner tools get sued because it rendered their system unusable. Basically, a system can be unusable for any reason and until all facts are known, since it can be something else that caused it, it's hard to really know. So like anything else, it is more of one's personal opinion as both sides can be correct in their own ways. As a Toastmaster and a Astrophysicist, it's more about acting competently than incompetently. Some people make 5 sets of backups but that does not mean that if something bad happened, their backups will always work as there are no guarantees in life except death and taxes as the saying goes.

Regardless, no one really answered how much resources does the registry actually takes on a system to atleast see what the impact really is to prove a theory is right or wrong.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10/11, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
EDIT: Looks down...beat ya by 30 seconds! :LOL:
Great minds think alike. Or is it 'little ones seldom differ'? :lmao:

Either way, the portable option is by far the 'cleanest' way to use CCLeaner (pun intended). You could even run it from a USB.

I use it regularly as part of my monthly 'clean up' after Patch Tuesday. In particular I use it for cleaning up all my browsers' temporary files and cookies, with a 'whitelist' of essential cookies to keep, such as the Eleven Forum login cookie. Just one click to clean across every browser you use.

I can count the number of times I've cleaned the registry on one hand. I'm with the 'redundant registry entries have no significant impact' crowd.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
There is a way to avoid all that. Go to CCLeaner's Builds page: CCleaner - Download Builds

At the bottom are two builds, 'CCleaner - Slim' which is the standard installer with none of the unwelcome 'optional extras'.

Better yet though, and the one that I use, is 'CCleaner - Portable'. This is just a zip file that doesn't require an install. What's the difference between a standard CCleaner and the portable edition? Just one file: portable.dat. If this exists in the CCLeaner program folder, then it saves all its settings in ccleaner.ini instead of the registry, everything else about it is exactly the same.

That's only if you use the free versions. This is the complete list for the current build:

Slim x64
Professional x64
Professional Update Only x64
Technician x64
Business x64
Business MSI x64
Portable x64

which are the installers as you still need your license for the non-free versions.

When the next version comes out assuming it is 6.32.xxxxx, then just replace that last number with the 632.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10/11, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
With all this back and forth, one thing’s for sure…. we wouldn’t have this problem if we all ran Linux. I’m switching immediately.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
  • Operating System
    Linux Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC8i5BEH
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8259U CPU @ 2.30GHz
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Iris Plus 655
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical with Cherry MX Clears
This from Copilot:

Do registry cleaners need to be used?

The necessity of using registry cleaners is a topic of debate among experts. Here are some key points to consider:

  1. Potential Benefits: Registry cleaners can remove outdated or invalid entries from the Windows Registry, which might help in improving system performance and stability, especially if you frequently install and uninstall software.
  2. Risks: Using registry cleaners can be risky. They might accidentally remove entries that are needed by the system, leading to potential errors or system instability. Microsoft and many experts recommend against using registry cleaners, as they believe the potential harm outweighs the benefits.
  3. Modern Systems: With modern versions of Windows (like Windows 10 and Windows 11), the need for registry cleaners has diminished. These newer operating systems are designed to handle registry bloat more efficiently.
In summary, while registry cleaners can be useful in certain situations, they are generally not necessary and can pose risks if not used carefully. It's often better to rely on built-in system tools and regular maintenance practices to keep your system running smoothly.
AI just like people have personal opinions as this is from Google's AI:

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I think System Instability is the wrong term used because either it works or it doesn't since if the registry key(s) is gone, either the system will continue to work or it no longer works, there is no 1%-99.99% still working.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10/11, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
so your system works less hard
...or so your system no longer works. In which case it will satisfy my psychology with what they call schadenfreude.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
...or so your system no longer works. In which case it will satisfy my psychology with what they call schadenfreude.
And how do you know it was the registry cleaning that made it no longer working and not something else? Remember you can undo the changes, either using the System Restore function that existed since Windows 95 or boot into safe mode and run the same registry cleaner and undo the changes. There are plenty of things that can break the system no different than in 1995, I ran Norton SpeedDisk from Norton SystemWorks for Windows v9.0, the HDD no longer worked, I could blame it on Norton but the drive actually died after Windows rebooting and it was a warranty replacement for 2GB Seagate Barracuda SCSI drive.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10/11, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
With all this back and forth, one thing’s for sure…. we wouldn’t have this problem if we all ran Linux. I’m switching immediately.
Self contained packages are the way to go, Apple at least got that right.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Enterprise 24h2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Omen
    CPU
    I7 13700HX
    Memory
    32gb DDR6 4800mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4080
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    900mb
    Browser
    Chrome
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self
    CPU
    I9 14900k
    Motherboard
    MSI Z790 Ace Max
    Memory
    32gb DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    3080TI
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    PSU
    Corsair 1000w
    Case
    Corsair 5000D
    Cooling
    NZXT Kraken
    Mouse
    Corsair M65
    Keyboard
    Self-Built Wooting
    Internet Speed
    900mb
    Browser
    Chrome
I think System Instability is the wrong term used because either it works or it doesn't since if the registry key(s) is gone, either the system will continue to work or it no longer works, there is no 1%-99.99% still working.
Incorrect. "System instability" refers to a state where a computer's operating system, software, or hardware is unable to function consistently and reliably. This instability can manifest in various ways, including:
  1. Frequent Crashes: The system or individual applications may crash regularly, leading to a loss of data and an inability to complete tasks.
  2. System Freezes: The computer may become unresponsive, requiring a hard reset to resume operations.
  3. Error Messages: Frequent and unpredictable error messages can appear, indicating problems with the system or software.
  4. Performance Degradation: The system may slow down significantly, with longer load times for applications and processes.
  5. Random Reboots: The computer may restart unexpectedly without warning, disrupting work and potentially causing data loss.
  6. Driver Conflicts: Incompatibilities between hardware drivers can lead to malfunctions or crashes.
  7. Software Glitches: Applications may behave erratically, with features not working as intended or the software closing unexpectedly.
Common causes of system instability are:
  • Corrupted System Files: Damage to critical system files can lead to unpredictable behavior.
  • Registry Issues: A bloated or corrupted registry can cause instability.
  • Hardware Failures: Faulty hardware components, such as RAM, hard drives, or power supplies, can lead to instability.
  • Overheating: Excessive heat can cause hardware components to malfunction, leading to system crashes.
  • Software Conflicts: Incompatibilities between different software programs can cause crashes and errors.
  • Malware: Viruses and other malicious software can disrupt system operations.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
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Self contained packages are the way to go, Apple at least got that right.
Apple Mac OS 10.0 and later is run on a Unix foundation: Mach kernel, FreeBSD for the OS itself where the OS is actually called darwin and then the GUI is added on top. Apple unlike Microsoft controls both the hardware and the OS so there are less variables.
 

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Incorrect. "System instability" refers to a state where a computer's operating system, software, or hardware is unable to function consistently and reliably. This instability can manifest in various ways, including:
  1. Frequent Crashes: The system or individual applications may crash regularly, leading to a loss of data and an inability to complete tasks.
  2. System Freezes: The computer may become unresponsive, requiring a hard reset to resume operations.
  3. Error Messages: Frequent and unpredictable error messages can appear, indicating problems with the system or software.
  4. Performance Degradation: The system may slow down significantly, with longer load times for applications and processes.
  5. Random Reboots: The computer may restart unexpectedly without warning, disrupting work and potentially causing data loss.
  6. Driver Conflicts: Incompatibilities between hardware drivers can lead to malfunctions or crashes.
  7. Software Glitches: Applications may behave erratically, with features not working as intended or the software closing unexpectedly.
Common causes of system instability are:
  • Corrupted System Files: Damage to critical system files can lead to unpredictable behavior.
  • Registry Issues: A bloated or corrupted registry can cause instability.
  • Hardware Failures: Faulty hardware components, such as RAM, hard drives, or power supplies, can lead to instability.
  • Overheating: Excessive heat can cause hardware components to malfunction, leading to system crashes.
  • Software Conflicts: Incompatibilities between different software programs can cause crashes and errors.
  • Malware: Viruses and other malicious software can disrupt system operations.

Since we are talking about the registry, we have to leave out applications and hardware. And noticed the common causes does say Bloated registry. Obviously, corrupted anything, not just the registry can have issues. If the registry is smaller, there is less things to corrupt and if the registry is larger, there is larger amount of things in the registry that can get corrupted. But since everyone's argument was the system won't boot so either it boots or it doesn't, there is no such thing as instability since it's like saying you delete a registry key, the system BSODs two hours later after fully loaded. It could be something else since you have to first know it was the registry that caused it as even what you posted above means there can be lots of variables that can cause instability, and it never said anything about registry cleaning as a cause for instability.
 

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Apple Mac OS 10.0 and later is run on a Unix foundation: Mach kernel, FreeBSD for the OS itself where the OS is actually called darwin and then the GUI is added on top. Apple unlike Microsoft controls both the hardware and the OS so there are less variables.

Yes, the Unix foundation, Mach kernel, and FreeBSD give macOS some stability, but the real advantage of it comes from Apple's vertical integration. Because they have control over both hardware and software, they eliminate any issues regarding compatibility. Having said that, the self-contained package approach is where they really shine, reducing dependency issues and making application management much easier.
 

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Okay the Linux thing was just a joke. Don’t take it so hard you two.
 

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With all this back and forth, one thing’s for sure…. we wouldn’t have this problem if we all ran Linux. I’m switching immediately.
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And how do you know it was the registry cleaning that made it no longer working and not something else? Remember you can undo the changes, either using the System Restore function that existed since Windows 95 or boot into safe mode and run the same registry cleaner and undo the changes.
Neither one of both these two different methods can be considered reliable. Even though 'reasonable' is still only a subjective term, you'd have to create an image of the Windows partition to be able to call it reasonably safe.
There are plenty of things that can break the system no different than in 1995, I ran Norton SpeedDisk from Norton SystemWorks for Windows v9.0, the HDD no longer worked, I could blame it on Norton but the drive actually died after Windows rebooting and it was a warranty replacement for 2GB Seagate Barracuda SCSI drive.
Exactly. There are enough things that can break the system, which immediately helps to explain why avoiding to add more things that can break the system when there really is no need to add them makes all the perfect sense in the world. You could always decide to use Process Monitor to try and pinpoint what's causing the registry hives to become bloated. But if they're not bloated, the expression "much ado about nothing" springs to mind. Windows 11 version 24H2 runs better if it's dirty. Cleaning sickness causes it to poop on itself. You know. Stuff like that.
 

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Yes, the Unix foundation, Mach kernel, and FreeBSD give macOS some stability, but the real advantage of it comes from Apple's vertical integration. Because they have control over both hardware and software, they eliminate any issues regarding compatibility. Having said that, the self-contained package approach is where they really shine, reducing dependency issues and making application management much easier.
You are probably more correct in the vertical integration part since I don't use MacOS. There can still be issues with compatibility with third party software as that part is what Apple doesn't control. So I was more talking about how Unix itself, as each command is really a app and each one can have it's own configuration file. On the Windows side, HWInfo would be a example as everything is in the .ini file and not the registry since it does not require installing so you can literally just copy the two .exe files and the .ini file and it will have the exact same configuration on a different computer similar to how portable applications work so it does not depend on the registry. Linux on the other hand is not a OS by itself as Linux is a kernel which is what Linus Torvalds wrote, everything else is packaged by others and then the hardware can be different as there are a unlimited amount of configurations possible. It would be similar if Microsoft only put out the Windows kernel and then allow third parties to package things so it's a OS, the problems would probably be more difficult than it is now. FreeBSD or any other Unix including Microsoft Xenix when it existed, OpenBSD, NetBSD, SunOS BSD based, SunOS Solaris, IBM AIX and others on any platform, the OS vendor controls both the kernel and the rest of the OS as a whole.
 
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