SSD overprovisioning Needed or Not Needed?


Have Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB NvMe M.2 Boot Drive and Samsung 860 Evo 1TB Sata SSD Game Drive.

Place that built system didn't mention anything on over provisioning for the SSD drives at all, just built it, and let me know when it was ready, i went there back then, paid, picked it up, carefully got it up the stairs once back to residence, then hooked it all up
Hi,
Over provisioning is unallocated space
If you used samsung magician to do it for you which it's new versions do and is way to much but all it does is turn a large portion to unallocated space.
I leave 20gb's at the end of the disk unallocated and it's plenty for the firmware to swap bad cells.
 

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This whole thread will go on forever and there are those who believe it is needed, and those that do not.

The original reasoning was around lengthening life of SSDs but that was like gen 1 ssds. Modern SSDs are so much more write resilient with nominal write capacities of 600 Terabytes (600,000 Gigabytes). The nominal write capacities are no contingent on over provisioning.

So if I write say a 50 GB file every day, it would take 10,000 days (nearly 30 years). The drive will fail for much more mundane reason e.g. interface electronics failure.

The whole subject of write endurance is just bs these days.

In the end, a drive can fail any time - make sure you have image backups, and replace drive when it fails. A 1 TB NVME is only £50 these days and will probably halve in price within 5 years or so.

So ask yourself, what is point of having a 100% certainty of reducing drive capacity by overprovisioning versus a theoretical loss of life you will probably never see if you do not?

Overprovisioning belongs in the annals of history along with cassettes, vcrs, CRT TVs, Windows 7, spinning hard disks etc.
 

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This whole thread will go on forever and there are those who believe it is needed, and those that do not.

The original reasoning was around lengthening life of SSDs but that was like gen 1 ssds. Modern SSDs are so much more write resilient with nominal write capacities of 600 Terabytes (600,000 Gigabytes). The nominal write capacities are no contingent on over provisioning.

So if I write say a 50 GB file every day, it would take 10,000 days (nearly 30 years). The drive will fail for much more mundane reason e.g. interface electronics failure.

The whole subject of write endurance is just bs these days.

In the end, a drive can fail any time - make sure you have image backups, and replace drive when it fails. A 1 TB NVME is only £50 these days and will probably halve in price within 5 years or so.

So ask yourself, what is point of having a 100% certainty of reducing drive capacity by overprovisioning versus a theoretical loss of life you will probably never see if you do not?

Overprovisioning belongs in the annals of history along with cassettes, vcrs, CRT TVs, Windows 7, spinning hard disks etc.
Hi there
Obviously right on Price -- probably come down quicker than that

2TB is arouind 107 GBP (VAT included) -- take 25% off for VAT if you are eligible so that's approx 21 GBP == so net price = 86 GBP == and with the EUR / GBP ratio it's a "No brainer" if in EU / EEA and can get it VAT Free.


Kingston products always seem reliable to me- they have in the past.

Cheers
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As with most opinion questions, there are as many answers as there are posters. It all boils down to how a user uses his system and whether or not that user practices intelligent file maintenance regularly and begins such maintenance as soon as Windows is installed. We all have things we are OCD about. Mine is file maintenance and organization.

I have a tiny m.2 as my boot drive and do not over provision. All applications(and I have more than most and some I really do not need) are on this same drive as well. Even my downloads and desktop are on this drive. No files are kept on the desktop, only shortcuts, and downloads are deleted or moved after I use them. Permanent personal data is on a separate drive. System restore is turned off. I don't use hibernate so have no hiberfile.sys eating up my drive space.
This is a 256 gb drive with 235 gb capacity. 72 gb are used. 162 gb are free. I have 69% free space on this tiny drive.
 

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Just want to add that it has been a practice of mine to always allocate some free space at the end of the SSD (7 to 10%) so that a specific area is set aside for when the controller needs to use it the space is not fragmented. Some apps or the OS sometimes at random write to a spot way out in the middle of nowhere and over time it leads to fragmentation. This fragmentation then affects the effectiveness of what goes on with what the SSD controller has to do to recover bad areas on the drive. But if you allocate an area, that area will not be cluttered. Just saying...
 

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I run all my drives to red bar status and then strip off data. Yup, I'm a bad boy. 🤪

Never had a problem with this to my knowledge, but have often heard that Samsung does provide some extra head room in this regard. Cells do eventually burn out and you can't write to them anymore although that doesn't necessarily make them unreadable. I've never manually applied any extra over provisioning on any drive and I fail to see the reason in doing so — especially in the case of lots of room still left on the drive. :::shrugs::: But that's just me.
 

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The concept of over-provisioning an SSD came about before the introduction of the TRIM command. For technical reasons about how an SSD internally operates that are complicated and too long to go into here, without TRIM an SSD does not know when the OS has deleted logical blocks and hence would still think the corresponding physical block in the SSD is still in use, so can't use it for new writes. The only time an SSD could know that the data is no longer in use is when the OS requests the SSD to overwrite that same logical block. Before TRIM over-provisioning and garbage collection was the only way to deal with this

With NTFS and other modern file systems, when blocks from files are deleted, the file system automatically sends a TRIM command down to the SSD telling it what logical blocks have been deleted so that the SSD can immediately free up the corresponding physical blocks for new writes. So over-provisioning is no longer needed for this purpose.

The SSD does still need some unused space for performing its wear leveling algorithms and data consolidation within its blocks, else it will slow down on writes. But it is not a lot of space. Because of TRIM, any unused space on an SSD is equivalent as far as providing this free space. Say 5% free is needed (I don't know the best number actually), these are all equivalent: partitioning all of the space on the SSD and not filling it up to more than 95% with files; partitioning only 95% of the SSD and leaving 5% unallocated;, or creating an unused partition of 5%. Also should mention that SSD have a small amount of over-provisioning built into them.

I choose to partition all of the SSD space for use by me and if I ever get near full and notice writes slowing, I just clean-up or purchase more storage.

Hope this was comprehensible, have COVID-19 and been a little confused today.
 

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Just want to add that it has been a practice of mine to always allocate some free space at the end of the SSD (7 to 10%) so that a specific area is set aside for when the controller needs to use it the space is not fragmented. Some apps or the OS sometimes at random write to a spot way out in the middle of nowhere and over time it leads to fragmentation. This fragmentation then affects the effectiveness of what goes on with what the SSD controller has to do to recover bad areas on the drive. But if you allocate an area, that area will not be cluttered. Just saying...
well done - resurrecting a 16 month old post that was going in circles LOL. Please look at dates in future.
 

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Over provisioning deliberately sets aside part of the SSD as unallocated space.

Always keep space free on the SSDs, way more than 10 to 15 percent

C Drive Currently Free
383GB Free
Used: 81.2GB Currently

D Game Sata SSD
484GB Free
Used 447GB Currently

and E Storage Hard Drive
515GB Used
3.13TB Free Currently
Unallocated space is different to/from unused space
 

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Hope this was comprehensible, have COVID-19 and been a little confused today.
Yes it is comprehensible, thank you. I hope you get over your illness quickly and without long-term issues.
 

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So over-provisioning is no longer needed for this purpose.
That depends. While unallocated space is unused storage on a drive that can be utilized for various purposes (i.e., it can be allocated for data storage or other purposes as needed), overprovisioning is a deliberate allocation of a portion of the SSD's capacity for wear leveling, garbage collection, and other maintenance tasks to enhance the SSD's performance, longevity, and overall reliability.

Remember that the TRIM command that gets sent by the OS does not force the SSD firmware to immediately erase the blocks that no longer are in use. It only marks these blocks data stored within these blocks as invalid. There is no way to tell when these blocks will actually be erased, if ever. I have already explained this fact on numerous occasions.

Factory over-provisioning cannot be disabled. As its name suggests, it's baked into the SSD by factory design. That's just because it is very much needed of course. Typically, the negative effects caused by excessive write amplification are the main reason why that is. How much additional space the user needs to assign (if any) as over-provisioning space to ensure smooth performance, longevity, and reliability depends on factors.
The SSD does still need some unused space for performing its wear leveling algorithms and data consolidation within its blocks, else it will slow down on writes. But it is not a lot of space.
See above. It depends. For the average user under the vast majority of "everyday-normal" circumstances, ideally the additional OP space does not have to exceed 10% of the SSD's total capacity, but in corporate environments setting it to 30% is not uncommon, and this can actually go all the way up to 50% or sometimes even higher.
Because of TRIM, any unused space on an SSD is equivalent as far as providing this free space. Say 5% free is needed (I don't know the best number actually), these are all equivalent: partitioning all of the space on the SSD and not filling it up to more than 95% with files; partitioning only 95% of the SSD and leaving 5% unallocated;, or creating an unused partition of 5%. Also should mention that SSD have a small amount of over-provisioning built into them.
See above. The use of TRIM does not guarantee that, each time when the firmware performs the various maintenance tasks, enough blocks will have already been erased beforehand to make these tasks produce similar results in such a way that would make them equally as efficient.

When the firmware detects that not enough blocks have been erased so they still contain data that has been marked as invalid, write operations result in writing to blocks that either have never been written to or have already previously been erased. It doesn't erase the blocks and write to them immediately after. That is, excepting only when it has no other choice, as erasing them takes time causing these writes to be delayed which hurts performance.

Yes, it tries to erase enough blocks in advance to avoid slowdowns, but no, it doesn't do that immediately as soon as possible. To the contrary, the vast majority of SSDs actually wait this out until the very last moment, as that in fact is central to what enables them to attempt to more aggressively avoid those specific writes that, in the ongoing internal analytic processes of the SSDs themselves, show a high (or growing...) potential to being able to be avoided. This predictive nature of the SSDs' internal optimization strategy has a few downsides. Predictions aren't always accurate so, it can happen that the SSD waits too long to erase more blocks. Setting additional OP space can be one effective way to overcome this obstacle. Which it very often is.
 
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    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Here we go round the mulberry bush....
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Zenbook 14
    CPU
    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
    PSU
    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
    Keyboard
    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
    Internet Speed
    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
I run all my drives to red bar status and then strip off data. Yup, I'm a bad boy. 🤪

Never had a problem with this to my knowledge, but have often heard that Samsung does provide some extra head room in this regard. Cells do eventually burn out and you can't write to them anymore although that doesn't necessarily make them unreadable. I've never manually applied any extra over provisioning on any drive and I fail to see the reason in doing so — especially in the case of lots of room still left on the drive. :::shrugs::: But that's just me.

It does make them unreadable. The cells can no longer hold the char
Yes it is comprehensible, thank you. I hope you get over your illness quickly and without long-term issues.

Thanks
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Photoshop/Audio/Game/tinker build
    CPU
    Intel i9 13900KS P/E cores 5.7/4.4 GHz, cache 5.0 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Dark Hero
    Memory
    96GB (2x48) G.skill Ripjaws 6800 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
    Sound Card
    Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 speakers; Audiolabs 7000a integrated amp; Logan Martin Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eizo CG2730 ColorEdge, ViewSonic VP2768
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p x 2
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850X 4TB nvme, SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme, Raid 0: 1TB 850 EVO + 1TB 860 EVO SSD. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black HDD
    PSU
    850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850 ATX 3.0/PCI-E 5.0
    Case
    Fractal Design North XL Mesh, Black Walnut
    Cooling
    EKWB 360 Nucleus Dark AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 1 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan, 1 T30-120 fan cooling memory
    Keyboard
    Keychron Q3 Max TKL with custom GMK Redsuns Red Samuri keycaps, TX Stabs
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 wireless gaming
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s down, 12 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender, Macrium Reflect X ;-)
    Other Info
    Runs hot. LOL. SP: P116/E93/M93
    Phangkey Amaterasu V2 Desk Mat
  • Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
    CPU
    Apple M1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Browser
    Firefox
It does make them unreadable. The cells can no longer hold the char


Thanks
Perhaps, but not necessarily. In fact I have an SSD that will run an OS just fine, I can even copy it. I can't write a thing to it however despite all my fighting with write protections. It's locked up.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Perhaps, but not necessarily. In fact I have an SSD that will run an OS just fine, I can even copy it. I can't write a thing to it however despite all my fighting with write protections. It's locked up.
That's interesting. I recall reading some years ago that SSDs, when they fail, become read only - which seemed to me to be quite encouraging from the point of view of not losing vital data, given that no-one seemed to know how long they would last. However, since then, I have seen a number of comments about SSDs failing completely. I guess the latter may be due to controller failure rather than the cells themselves.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home built
    CPU
    Ryzen 3900x
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Master x570 rel 1.0
    Memory
    32GB (2x16) @ 3600 MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Windforce RTX 2080
    Sound Card
    No separate sound card.
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2718Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD-Black SN850; 1TB Samsung Sata 850 Evo; 4 TB WD Blue Sata SA510 2.5''; 4TB Samsung Sata SSD 870 EVO 2.5".
    PSU
    Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 11 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-8FIB
    Cooling
    CPU: Noctua NH-U12A; Case: BeQuiet + Lian Li fans.
    Keyboard
    Steelseries Apex 7 brown keys.
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired) G403
    Internet Speed
    940 Mb/s down; 105 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Eset Internet Security
    Other Info
    Pioneer blu-ray optical drive.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home (ARM version) (latest update)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge 14" Copilot+ PC
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite X1E-80-100
    Memory
    16 GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Touch screen 14" AMOLED monitor
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800
    Hard Drives
    512 GB eUFS
    Internet Speed
    840 Mb/s (Wifi)
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Eset Internet Security
    Other Info
    NPU Qualcomm Hexagon
That's interesting. I recall reading some years ago that SSDs, when they fail, become read only - which seemed to me to be quite encouraging from the point of view of not losing vital data, given that no-one seemed to know how long they would last. However, since then, I have seen a number of comments about SSDs failing completely. I guess the latter may be due to controller failure rather than the cells themselves.
The latter could also be due to the user failing to understand the importance of things like upgrading the firmware on the SSD, monitoring the S.M.A.R.T. data, and... err... well, assigning sufficient over-provisioning space. 😂
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
The latter could also be due to the user failing to understand the importance of things like upgrading the firmware on the SSD, monitoring the S.M.A.R.T. data, and... err... well, assigning sufficient over-provisioning space. 😂
Ironically, I did all those things with this particular SSD and it is the only SSD where I made a point of upgrading the firmware. It's my oldest stick of NVMe and likely my very first. Despite the head room I set aside on it I cannot write to it. I keep this stick of Kingston NVMe as a curiosity and for sentimental reasons. All the other SSDs that I've owned and driven to 'red bar' status still function properly. I use Crystal Disk to monitor my drives so I have a pretty good idea of what their status is. 😎
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
That's interesting. I recall reading some years ago that SSDs, when they fail, become read only - which seemed to me to be quite encouraging from the point of view of not losing vital data, given that no-one seemed to know how long they would last. However, since then, I have seen a number of comments about SSDs failing completely. I guess the latter may be due to controller failure rather than the cells themselves.
Good point. Admittedly, I am not sure what caused this issue. I remember how frustrated I was with it but now I just chuckle when I think of it. I have the item in question sitting right in front of me now whilst I type this response. It's a bit of a memento now, my very first stick of NVMe. ;-)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Ironically, I did all those things with this particular SSD and it is the only SSD where I made a point of upgrading the firmware. It's my oldest stick of NVMe and likely my very first. Despite the head room I set aside on it I cannot write to it. I keep this stick of Kingston NVMe as a curiosity and for sentimental reasons. All the other SSDs that I've owned and driven to 'red bar' status still function properly. I use Crystal Disk to monitor my drives so I have a pretty good idea of what their status is. 😎
Just because wearing your seatbelt doesn't always save your life during a car accident, doesn't also mean that people should use that as a pretext to not wearing their seatbelt. I am still currently using my first NVMe SSD. It's the 2TB Samsung 980 PRO. It never had the firmware version on it that was infamous for the fact that it could potentially brick the SSD. But I still upgrade the firmware as soon as possible, anyway nevertheless. The car analogy is why. And besides, each time when a new update is available, with Samsung Magician it is only just a few mouse clicks away.

As for monitoring the S.M.A.R.T. data. I don't use CrystalDiskInfo for that, as S.M.A.R.T. data is not standardized so the correct interpretation of it can be dependent on the exact make and model of the SSD, and on whether you use the correct tool software to periodically grab and evaluate the report. So, the software that completely has it right is very often typically going to be the one that can be downloaded from the official product support webpage for the exact make and model in question. For the Samsung 980 PRO, that would be Samsung Magician. For the 512GB WD SN740 OEM that came installed in my newest laptop from Asus, I think I will stick to using the WD Dashboard, and will stick to using it regardless of who says what about CrystalDiskInfo. lol
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF

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