Started getting Hard Crashes event 41 Kernel Power and a BSOD while gaming

Ok ran driver verifier all day/night, ran safe mode all night as I slept and did other stuff for 12 hours.

No crashes/errors/BSOD

Nothing has happened since I made more space on my C drive. Coincidence or conclusion? Who knows.

1) Please make a new restore point


2) Post a new V2 share link


3) Restart WDV with these customized tests:

[ ] 0x00000001 Special pool.
[ ] 0x00000002 Force IRQL checking.
[ ] 0x00000008 Pool tracking.
[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00000080 DMA checking.
[ ] 0x00000100 Security checks.
[ ] 0x00000800 Miscellaneous checks.
[ ] 0x00020000 DDI compliance checking.
[ ] 0x00080000 DDI compliance checking (additional).


4) Plan to run the tool with various customized tests

a) test all non-Microsoft drivers

b) test no Microsoft drivers



5) If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings


6) For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

THEBEAST-(2024-03-26_09-38-05).zip



4) Plan to run the tool with various customized tests

a) test all non-Microsoft drivers

b) test no Microsoft drivers




What does this mean? To me it means the same thing. Did you mean 1 test with all non Microsoft drivers and then 1 test with all Microsoft drivers?

Ok so I did
[ ] 0x00000001 Special pool.
[ ] 0x00000002 Force IRQL checking.
[ ] 0x00000008 Pool tracking.
[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00000080 DMA checking.
[ ] 0x00000100 Security checks.
[ ] 0x00000800 Miscellaneous checks.
[ ] 0x00020000 DDI compliance checking.
[ ] 0x00080000 DDI compliance checking (additional).
all non microsoft drivers and nothing, then I did them on only microsoft drivers and got a BSOD two times in a row before system restore kicked in.

The V2 is here THEBEAST-(2024-03-26_11-06-16).zip

Please restart WDV with these customized tests:


create custom settings for developers > select the customized tests > select driver names from a list > view the provider column > scroll up and down to select all non-Microsoft drivers


If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

zbook said:

Please restart WDV with these customized tests:

Code:

    [ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
    [ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
    [ ] 0x00002000 Invariant MDL checking for stack.
    [ ] 0x00004000 Invariant MDL checking for driver.
    [ ] 0x00008000 Power framework delay fuzzing.
    [ ] 0x00010000 Port/miniport interface checking.
    [ ] 0x00040000 Systematic low resources simulation.
    [ ] 0x00200000 NDIS/WIFI verification.
    [ ] 0x00800000 Kernel synchronization delay fuzzing.
    [ ] 0x01000000 VM switch verification.
    [ ] 0x02000000 Code integrity checks.

create custom settings for developers > select the customized tests > select driver names from a list > view the provider column > scroll up and down to select all non-Microsoft drivers


If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

Click to expand...

OK yes I did that and there was no BSOD, but you had two things listed for A) and B) saying non microsoft drivers so I assumed one meant to do it with all microsoft drivers so I did that ant got BSOD and then did system restore....

I will go redo it and then do the verifier /querysettings part that I forgot give me 5 minutes

PS: I haven't got a BSOD in days since i made more room on my C drive. It was down to about 90gb out of 2tb. Ever since I made more room it stopped crashing.

The only other thing I can think of that's could affect that is right now microsoft game pass has this bug (that they refuse to fix) where games that you had previously set to "preload" onto pc will not automatically keep redownloading and installing... which was really piddling me off because every week I would open up gamepass to find two games (Payday 3, and lamplighters leauge) had reinstalled and despite asking microsoft for help they did not help me or anyone else with the issue (see here Redirecting )

Not sure if this is relevent at all but the fact I haven't got BSOD in a while since deleting games on my C drive and putting it up from 70-90GB free space to 262gb I haven't got a crash.

Ok doing this verifier now! be back in 5-10


Also I forgot the

"If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings"

Part before doing the last v2. If you would like me to redo it let me know. Sorry for that.

THEBEAST-(2024-03-26_12-51-20).zip

OK I did
[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00002000 Invariant MDL checking for stack.
[ ] 0x00004000 Invariant MDL checking for driver.
[ ] 0x00008000 Power framework delay fuzzing.
[ ] 0x00010000 Port/miniport interface checking.
[ ] 0x00040000 Systematic low resources simulation.
[ ] 0x00200000 NDIS/WIFI verification.
[ ] 0x00800000 Kernel synchronization delay fuzzing.
[ ] 0x01000000 VM switch verification.
[ ] 0x02000000 Code integrity checks.

I restarted PC and did verifier /querysettings in cmd promt ADMIN mode
V2 at the top

*Note* Computer is VERY VERY slow right now compared to other times I ran verifier settings, for the other verifier times I was able to run the pc and even game no problem. This time it's having a hard time even sharing the v2 in one drive. I am going to reset verifier settings now and restart pc so it's running normal again.

Something else I thought of now that I did since hard reset with no BSOD has stopped happening once a day. 1) I cleaned up space on C drive. 2) I used AMD Ryzen Master to change settings on my CPU from whatever it was in BIOS (I think PDO enabled in bios) to the "game mode profile" which tbh I have no idea what it really does or changes other then it changed my PPT from being capped at 75(maybe 100) W to now it's capped at 1000W.

I am not sure if this is useless information to you or not, sorry if I am telling you irrelevant things. Just trying to brainstorm some things that I did to my pc since the hard resets stopped happening a few days ago. I have not gotten a hard reset event 41 kernel-power since March 22nd at 10:05:21AM


Oh I also decided to uninstall MSI afterburner because I wasn't overclocking and didn't like the fan changes. I installed GPU Tweak 3 to monitor temps. I used the OC scanner on it (which i believe uses the NVIDIA OC scanner) and left fans on Auto.

If MSI afterburner was stopping my GPU fans from increasing speed and it hit critical temps would your pc reset without a BSOD or would it reset and BSOD and give you more information in the event 41? I would assumed a GPU overheat would cause a BSOD or create minidumps right? It wouldn't do what is happening to me and restart my pc without a BSOD or creating minidump files right?

*Actually nvm this can't be the issue because it did hard reset a few times while I was sleeping and it was idling without anything running, so no way my GPU got too hot without a game running, and it's cool in my basement)


Once again thank you for the help.... I will check back in an hour or two <3

Today is 03/26.

The last BSOD was on 03/26.

WDV can put a heavy load on the CPU.

Restart WDV with these customized tests:



If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

zbook said:

Today is 03/26.

The last BSOD was on 03/26.

WDV can put a heavy load on the CPU.

Restart WDV with these customized tests:

Code:

[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00002000 Invariant MDL checking for stack.
[ ] 0x00004000 Invariant MDL checking for driver.
[ ] 0x00008000 Power framework delay fuzzing.
[ ] 0x00010000 Port/miniport interface checking.

If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

Click to expand...

That BSOD from 03/26 was because I Incorrectly assumed you wanted me to do this: (what I typed in quotes underneath) with both all non microsoft drivers and one with only microsoft drivers because a) and b) were redundant instructions so I assumed you meant to do one with only microsoft drivers so I ran these tests and did non microsoft drivers first and then after that one cleared I selected only Microsoft drivers and it gave me a BSOD..... but that doesn't count right? Because I did a test that was using the wrong parameters that you actually intended because I assumed the wrong thing. I just want you to be aware of those two BSOD you are seeing from March 26th being from following the wrong instructions because of a misunderstanding.
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3) Restart WDV with these customized tests:

[ ] 0x00000001 Special pool.
[ ] 0x00000002 Force IRQL checking.
[ ] 0x00000008 Pool tracking.
[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00000080 DMA checking.
[ ] 0x00000100 Security checks.
[ ] 0x00000800 Miscellaneous checks.
[ ] 0x00020000 DDI compliance checking.
[ ] 0x00080000 DDI compliance checking (additional).


4) Plan to run the tool with various customized tests

a) test all non-Microsoft drivers

b) test no Microsoft drivers "
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And ok doing the next test now.

I did get a bsod yesterday from something while using my pc regularly loading up Dragons Dogma 2 and today it locked up and I had to restart via power button when I was browsing steam reviews

zbook said:

Today is 03/26.

The last BSOD was on 03/26.

WDV can put a heavy load on the CPU.

Restart WDV with these customized tests:

Code:

[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00000020 Deadlock detection.
[ ] 0x00002000 Invariant MDL checking for stack.
[ ] 0x00004000 Invariant MDL checking for driver.
[ ] 0x00008000 Power framework delay fuzzing.
[ ] 0x00010000 Port/miniport interface checking.

If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link

Click to expand...

Which drivers am I to select for this test? Just automatically select unsigned drivers? Or all non Microsoft once again?

For the WDV GUI menu / windows:

Click create custom settings for developers > select the customized tests > select driver names from a list > view the provider column > scroll up and down to select all non-Microsoft drivers

No BSOD



THEBEAST-(2024-03-27_16-10-28).zip V2 anyways. This will have the BSOD I had yesterday while starting up dragons dogma 2 and possibly the crash/lockup I had. Both unrelated to verifier tests.

Almost nothing beats Linpack with CPU core loading. If you get a fatal WHEA error or a "bugcheck A", the CPU, motherboard, or PSU, is faulty. If not overclocking your Ryzen. Even though Linpack often will just show an error. (like Prime95-small FFTs)

"bugcheck A" in my experience, is usually caused by overclocking CPU core(s) too much or incorrect Vcore.
(usually not enough CPU core voltage)
Are you boost-overriding your Ryzen cores? Note that can cause random access-violation errors when browsing as well.

I would get random access-violation errors, with my Ryzen 5 5600X, because it apparently couldn't handle 4.85 GHz and definitely not 4.9! Even with no more than a couple of cores clocked to that)
(I think I lost the CPU core lottery in my case, my sample apparently can hardly OC)

Maxon Cinebench is known for getting the cores up to maximum temps. It should crash with a multicore test, if faulty, or an unstable core OC.
Cinebench-multicore is good for checking CPU core cooling.

RJARRRPCGP said:

Almost nothing beats Linpack with CPU core loading. If you get a fatal WHEA error or a "bugcheck A", the CPU, motherboard, or PSU, is faulty. If not overclocking your Ryzen.

"bugcheck A" in my experience, is usually caused by overclocking CPU core(s) too much or incorrect Vcore.
(usually not enough CPU core voltage)
Are you boost-overriding your Ryzen cores? Note that can cause random access-violation errors when browsing as well.

I would get random access-violation errors, with my Ryzen 5 5600X, because it apparently couldn't handle 4.85 GHz and definitely not 4.9! Even with no more than a couple of cores clocked to that)
(I think I lost the CPU core lottery in my case, my sample apparently can hardly OC)

Click to expand...

To be honest I have no idea how to read these errors or what errors I am getting.... I am just following what zbook is saying and trying to brainstorm things I have done to my pc. Like I said I haven't gotten a hard reset without a BSOD screen in 4-5 days now. I am still getting BSOD's and other lockup/crashes.... but nothing like when I was gaming and/or when my pc is idling when I was asleep. It seems to have stopped.... but I will continue to follow up with tests to be sure and if anything for "science" (Finding out the problem could help others down the road)

I am just worried some of the things I am saying are being overlooked like when my BSOD from march 26th was because I did WDV tests with only the microsoft drivers on error of thinking that's what was asked along with non microsoft drivers. Because I got two BSOD in a row doing the WDV tests on microsoft drivers only before my pc kicked in system restore for me. Other then that like I said I Have been getting new BSOD's or random hangup/crashes that are new.... but no hard resets while gaming or idling like when it was happening once a day last week for about a week and a half.

The changes I made were upping my space on C drive from 70-90GB to about 200GB (on a 2TB SSD and I know you are suppose to have at least 10% free and I was going under that threshold) as well as using ryzen master to change my CPU settings to "game mode" profile which changed my PPT from 75-100w to 1000w limit and activated PBO from a software level instead of bios while it put everything else on auto... and I do remember changing something in BIOS where PBO was off and I set it to either "on" or "auto" in BIOS I just can't remember when or how long ago that was and if it was prior to me getting the hard resets without a BSOD/Minidump crash file being generated... or when I updated BIOS/turned XMP/DOCP back on because I noticed my ram wasn't running at 3600MHZ anymore which would have been after I started getting the hard resets without a BSOD/Minidump crash file being generated.

Anyways thanks everyone for your input, I wish I was more computer/windows code savy and knew how to read these v2 files and how to use windbg/dumpchk etc.

Your additional crashes, are probably from the PBO settings.

1) Restart WDV with these customized tests:



2) If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link





3) Download and install one of these temperature monitoring software:

RJARRRPCGP said:

Your additional crashes, are probably from the PBO settings.

Click to expand...

Yea my pc has been fine ever since I made space on the C drive and used Ryzen Master to OC the CPU using the game mode profile instead of PBO in BIOS. The only problem I have been having is I keep having to restart windows explorer in task manager because it stops working here and there.

I was wondering. If I used Ryzen Master to OC my PC are those settings always active or do i have to start the program every time?
What i did was click advanced view and click game mode and click apply and my pc reset. That's when I noticed my PPT changed from like 75/100w to unlimited at 1000w. So i assumed it was running on game mode.

Now when I open it up it loads basic view and current says Control Mode AUto OC Curve optimizer Off. And shows a max CPU of 4650 mhz (which i believe is only 50mhz above stock) and cpu volt is on auto. To the right profile says Control mode Default highleted with auto of and manual not higlighted and curve optimizer off is highlighted with all core and per core not highlighted.

When I click on advanced view it goes to Home where I see the PPT set to 1000w and under control mode it's OC MODE: Auto Overclocking, Booster Overside CPU: 0 PPT:10000 TDC:1000 EDC:180 and PBO SCALER:ON and when I click on "game mode" Precision Boost Overdrive is highlighted with everything else seems to be set to auto.


So is my cpu even running in "game mode" automatically? Under the Basic view should I change Control mode to "auto OC" and curve optimizer to "all cores" ??

zbook said:

1) Restart WDV with these customized tests:

Code:

[ ] 0x00000010 I/O verification.
[ ] 0x00040000 Systematic low resources simulation.
[ ] 0x00200000 NDIS/WIFI verification.
[ ] 0x00800000 Kernel synchronization delay fuzzing.
[ ] 0x01000000 VM switch verification.
[ ] 0x02000000 Code integrity checks.

2) If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link





3) Download and install one of these temperature monitoring software:

Download Speccy | Find your computer specs, free!

Speccy - find the details of your computer's specs. Great for spotting issues or finding compatible upgrades. Download the latest version today.

www.ccleaner.com

HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID

HWMonitor for Windows® x86/x64 is a hardware monitoring program that reads PC systems main health sensors : voltages, temperatures, powers, currents, fans speed, utilizations, clock speeds ... The program handles : CPU and GPU-level hardware monitoring...

www.cpuid.com

SpeedFan - Access temperature sensor in your computer

Click to expand...

I have been monitoring my temps with GPU tweak and ai suite 3 for CPU/GPU and have speccy and HW monitor installed. Posting v2 in a minute



THEBEAST-(2024-03-31_15-31-24).zip

Restart WDV with only:

[ ] 0x00000004 Randomized low resources simulation.


If there is no immediate BSOD then open Administrative Command Prompt (ACP) and copy and paste:

verifier /querysettings

Post a share link


For any BSOD post a new V2 share link