Solved System Restore (not about "backups")

cereberus · Aug 18, 2021

Dru2 said:
Once again, Macrium has NOTHING to do with the issue. Backups have NOTHING to do with the issue.

The "Macrium backup" comments only come from those who don't understand the purpose of restore points. If they did, they'd know "backups" have nothing to with the purpose of them

The last time I checked NO app on planet Earth worked 100% all the time. Even the famed "Macruim" has a forum full of people complaining about issues

Thanks :)

cereberus · Aug 18, 2021

No, please do not insult my intelligence! I was probably ysin Restore Points before you were born!

It is you who CLEARLY does not understand how incremental backups work, and how you can use them to achieve the same ends as a restore point.

A restore point allows you to roll back to the previous state of previous restore point, resetting registry and apps installed since previous restore point, retaining any data in the C drive.

An incremental backup takes a snapshot of PC at time, that yiu choose to do one, and does the same thing as a restore point.

The only minor difference is data since last restore point on C drive may also get deleted, but that it is not lost, as it is still in the backup image. In any case, I avoid this issue by storing data on another drive.

The thing you obviously do not lnow is that when you restore an incremental image on rhe paid version, it uses a feature called Rapid Delta Restore and it only restores the differences i.e. effectively the same as a Restore Point.

So, using the combination of incremental backups and Rapid Delta Restore gives the same end result as unreliable Restore pints, is totally reliable, and full reversible in the forward direction, and also faster.

The ONLY difference is how data is handled, but if you keep data on another drive or partition, this is not an issue.

Also, your comment about Reflect is also an exaggeration.

Most of the forum points are due to lack of understanding, and the Reflect Team are also superb at fixing bugs. All regulars here know it is very rare that once you make a backup, and have verified it, it will restore. I have NEVER had a Reflect Restore failure, but I probably had Restore Point failures in 1 out of 10 cases. I consider a 99.9+% reliability against only a 90% (or worse) reliability anytime is no contest!

So do not make uninfomed statements about Macrium Reflect until you understand HOW to use it to achieve the same functionality as a Restore Point!

walaragones · Aug 18, 2021

Several times I used the restoration of windows and I must say that it is a TOTAL waste of time, in the end I always got the error that the files could not be restored to a previous state. I used it in windows 8, windows 10 ...
As with windows backups they are also useless and scannow ...... $ # _ # _ Total time loss.

It is better to format or use a macrium backup, I have it configured so that everything is saved on disk D.

cereberus · Aug 19, 2021

walaragones said:
Several times I used the restoration of windows and I must say that it is a TOTAL waste of time, in the end I always got the error that the files could not be restored to a previous state. I used it in windows 8, windows 10 ...
As with windows backups they are also useless and scannow ...... $ # _ # _ Total time loss.

It is better to format or use a macrium backup, I have it configured so that everything is saved on disk D.

Yep - restore points are too unreliable. Store data as you say on a different drive and use incremental backups.

Even with free version, you can achieve same objective as restore points with differential backups but it is less space efficient, and it has to restore whole backup so is slower. Hoever speed is not such an issue if you need to wind back due to errors.

I always take an incremental BEFORE reverting to a previous incremental to ensure even data in C drive is never lost. This makes the procedure totally reversible (unlike restore points).

Stigg · Aug 19, 2021

@Dru2
I'm sorry your thread got hijacked, even though you tried to avoid it by appending (not about "backups") to the thread title.

Dru2 · Aug 19, 2021

Stigg said:
@Dru2
I'm sorry your thread got hijacked, even though you tried to avoid it by appending (not about "backups") to the thread title.

Some people just rather troll than pay attention to the real issue. It shows lack of understanding.... and respect.

Thanks :)

badrobot · Aug 19, 2021

Been using System Restore for years. Just because it doesn"t work on some, it doesn't mean it doesn"t work at all. It all depends on the state of one's OS. I discovered years ago that unrecognized USB devices can cause system restore issue. When I remove a specific USB peripheral, the system restore goes through. Also, if the OS has too much garbage and customization, system restore refuse to work sometimes.
And one has to be aware of the drive letter in which the restore point is being created and restored from specially if you have too many drives attached to the PC.

Dru2 · Aug 19, 2021

badrobot said:
Been using System Restore for years. Just because it doesn"t work on some, it doesn't mean it doesn"t work at all. It all depends on the state of one's OS. I discovered years ago that unrecognized USB devices can cause system restore issue. When I remove a specific USB peripheral, the system restore goes through. Also, if the OS has too much garbage and customization, system restore refuse to work sometimes.
And one has to be aware of the drive letter in which the restore point is being created and restored from specially if you have too many drives attached to the PC.

Anyway, though I have 5 drives in my system (all SSD's), I only have System Restore turned on for the OS drive, since as I said, I use it to test drivers and apps.

I also don't use it as a form of "backup" since that's not it's purpose. I tend to use it in an "immediate" sense, meaning I use it the same day I test stuff - install a driver or app, see how it works, and do a system restore that day if things go awry. I never try to go back weeks later and try performing a System Restore because too much stuff has happened in between. That's what "images" are for.

Thanks for sharing.

badrobot · Aug 19, 2021

System restore... to fix "hiccups"
Restore Backup... to fix a "disaster"

There's a big difference.

It is like saying "Don't call 911 when your toast is burning."

badrobot · Aug 19, 2021

When system restore stops working, that is an indication that there is an even bigger problem. That is when back ups are used or maybe it's time for clean install. I can't go on using an OS where a simple system restore is not working. I need to fix that right away. But that is just me.

Dru2 · Aug 19, 2021

It's also me - If an app or tool is included in Windows it should work as advertised.

On a side note, I'm also obsessive about Device Manager not showing any trouble signs - yellow triangles, question marks, or red X's. That's also an indicator that something's not right - driver issue or faulty hardware.

walaragones · Aug 19, 2021

Dru2 said:
Some people just rather troll than pay attention to the real issue. It shows lack of understanding.... and respect.

Thanks :)

Restoring system is a TOTAL waste of time, and if you restore, you will have problems with files and drivers.

badrobot · Aug 19, 2021

walaragones said:
Restoring system is a TOTAL waste of time, and if you restore, you will have problems with files and drivers.

System restore does not affect any personal files like documents, photos ,etc. It only gets rid of corrupted or unwanted system files which is the main reason for performing system restore.
If you know how or when to use a system restore, it should not cause any problem. Again, system restore is only an option for quick fixing an issue after a recent update or software installation.

Dru2 · Aug 19, 2021

walaragones said:
Restoring system is a TOTAL waste of time, and if you restore, you will have problems with files and drivers.

I'm going to come down to your level for a second to say this.... you obviously have no clue as to what the conversation is about and are just trolling for the sake of attention.

Now I'll move on and ignore any further comments from you :)

cereberus · Aug 19, 2021

Dru2 said:
Some people just rather troll than pay attention to the real issue. It shows lack of understanding.... and respect.

Thanks :)

Your total lack of respect is far worse - bye bye.

jimbo45 · Aug 20, 2021

Hi there
I'm curious here -- are "Restore Points" equivalent to taking Checkpoints in Virtual Machines -- snapshots are different because the whole VM is "imaged" in some sort of way even though recovery can be very quick. I find checkpointing in VM's very useful and they don't take long at all.

I'm not getting into whether one method of recovery is better / worse etc than others as the OP has made his point quite clear - but I'm curious here for the answer --I'm sure there's plenty of Gurus here who can answer.

Thanks

Cheers
jimbo

Bree · Aug 20, 2021

jimbo45 said:
I'm curious here -- are "Restore Points" equivalent to taking Checkpoints in Virtual Machines

No. A Restore point is a snapshot of the Registry, system files and installed programs only, other files such as user documents are not affected by restoring a restore point. A checkpoint is more like restoring a system image, all files are restored to their state at the time of the checkpoint, user files created since the checkpoint will be lost.

Dru2 · Aug 20, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
I'm curious here -- are "Restore Points" equivalent to taking Checkpoints in Virtual Machines -- snapshots are different because the whole VM is "imaged" in some sort of way even though recovery can be very quick. I find checkpointing in VM's very useful and they don't take long at all.

I'm not getting into whether one method of recovery is better / worse etc than others as the OP has made his point quite clear - but I'm curious here for the answer --I'm sure there's plenty of Gurus here who can answer.

Bree's answer spot on

Bree said:
No. A Restore point is a snapshot of the Registry, system files and installed programs only, other files such as user documents are not affected by restoring a restore point. A checkpoint is more like restoring a system image, all files are restored to their state at the time of the checkpoint, user files created since the checkpoint will be lost.

RolandJS · Aug 20, 2021

"Today, the experience under Windows 11 was the exception, and thus my post. I'm asking those who "actually use the program" what their experience is with System Restore under Windows 11." I have been using only Windows 7, however, I can tell you that my experiences with SRPs and boot with last known good configuration -- have been mixed. Sometimes they work well, sometimes not so well. I do not believe it was the fault of either SRPs nor configuration per see, I simply do not know why some worked and some did not work.

cereberus · Aug 20, 2021

RolandJS said:
"Today, the experience under Windows 11 was the exception, and thus my post. I'm asking those who "actually use the program" what their experience is with System Restore under Windows 11." I have been using only Windows 7, however, I can tell you that my experiences with SRPs and boot with last known good configuration -- have been mixed. Sometimes they work well, sometimes not so well. I do not believe it was the fault of either SRPs nor configuration per see, I simply do not know why some worked and some did not work.

Re. last sentence - this sums up Restore Points!

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