System restore point

antspants · Sep 6, 2024

One shouldn’t apply a tweak unless they know exactly what you’re doing or they have a reg file to undo it, like provided in Brinks tutorials.
Otherwise, one reaps what they sew.

SIW2 · Sep 6, 2024

Jacee said:
I always set a restore point and name it. It's saved me sooo many times!

Very wise.

spapakons · Sep 6, 2024

I have System Restore enabled, just in case. I know I should do frequent backups (or better clone the entire SSD), but I don't... Shame...yes, I know. System Restore is done automatically and many times have saved my life. As many who use it will tell you, if the damage is severe, probably the last point won't work to restore your system. Go to the previous one. In some cases you even have to go 2-3 points back. But it is still much better than losing your entire Windows installation and have to do a format (nightmare! I just shivered). Yes, I know a backup is much better, but with over 500GB of data on Windows disk this is not something I want to do too often. I do have a backup about a month ago. Probably I should do a newer.

zbook · Sep 6, 2024

These are some links:

Automatically Create System Restore Point at Startup in Windows 10

How to Automatically Create System Restore Point at Startup in Windows 10

www.tenforums.com

How to Make Windows Automatically Create a System Restore Point at Startup

By default, System Restore automatically creates a restore point once per week and also before major events like an app or driver installation.

www.howtogeek.com

antspants · Sep 6, 2024

Jacee said:
Do you rely on a backup system image?

I make one for every build update using Hasleo., or for any major changes I make to windows. I keep 3, when a 4th comes out I delete the first so I am left with 3.

I also have 3 500GB SSD’s for backups only. On them I have Windows 11 after an install with no software. Windows 11 setup with my most imprtant software. From there on its the build images I pre mentioned.

I also have a backup of Windows 10 before I changed to Windows 11

spapakons · Sep 6, 2024

Three backups? I find it too much. I would clone my SSD once a week, but my PC is usually busy doing stuff and I hardly have enough free time myself to spend on my PC. I will definitely clone my SSD before upgrading to 24H2 just in case.

TonyCzar · Sep 10, 2024

I still use system restore points. My main reservation is that the darn things still evaporate by a mechanism no one- to the best of my knowledge- understands..

spapakons · Sep 10, 2024

I may not use it very frequently, but why disable System Restore? You never know when you will need it, Murphy's Law says you hardly use it but you will need it as soon as you disable it. With today's disk capacities would be stupid to disable it. In older computer with small disk capacity, I simply change the default 10% to 3%, never completely disable it. I have seen many unrecoverable Windows 10 computers because System Restore was disabled by default and the average user didn't know that and didn't enable it, so no restore point to go back to. All these clean installations would have been avoided if there was a restore point to go back to.

glasskuter · Sep 10, 2024

SR failed me too many times on multiple systems over the years, mostly on ones that did not belong to me. I just lost faith in it. For my own systems it's actually faster to jump right in to restoring an image and get on about my business.

cereberus · Sep 10, 2024

spapakons said:
I may not use it very frequently, but why disable System Restore? You never know when you will need it, Murphy's Law says you hardly use it but you will need it as soon as you disable it. With today's disk capacities would be stupid to disable it. In older computer with small disk capacity, I simply change the default 10% to 3%, never completely disable it. I have seen many unrecoverable Windows 10 computers because System Restore was disabled by default and the average user didn't know that and didn't enable it, so no restore point to go back to. All these clean installations would have been avoided if there was a restore point to go back to.

I know I will never need unreliable system restores. Stop using them many years ago. They were slightly useful Win 7 and earlier but since Win 8, there are many every reliable image backup tools.

As @Ghot described earlier, only keep OS and programs on C drive to keep it lean and mean for RELIABLE image backups.

A full image backup takes 1 minute. A full restore maybe 3 minutes but often quicker using Rapid Delta Restore (paid version of Macrium Reflect and Casper, free version of Hasleo).

Data is stored on a different drive and backed up by different means.

Using Rapid Delta Restore is like system restores on steroids LOL.

spapakons · Sep 10, 2024

On an average computer that has everything in C: with over 400GB data, a full backup or clone to a spare disk takes almost half an hour, maybe more. The restore or cloning back takes even more. Not something you will do regularly, so you do it once or twice a month. You are going to lose many data if you get into trouble, 15-20 days after the backup. System Restore on the other hand is done automatically before any major changes to the system. Yes, I know most of the times the last restore point doesn't work, I have already said that. That's why I always pick the previous to last restore point to repair Windows. Is much better than losing 15 days worth of data. Yes, I hear you saying to backup every week. I would if I could do it in no more than 5 minutes. Almost an hour is too much for my limited free time, so I don't do it that often. Besides having two tools, System Restore and disk clone is better than having one.

Dru2 · Sep 10, 2024

Jacee said:
Does anyone set a system restore point any more? Did you just do a 'tweak' and regret what you did? Do you rely on a backup system image? What do you do to undo the mistake when things go out of kilter?

I always set a restore point and name it. It's saved me sooo many times!

I do it all the time, and especially when I install something I'm not quite sure about.

I find System Restore extremely useful and have zero issues with it.

Bree · Sep 10, 2024

glasskuter said:
SR failed me too many times on multiple systems over the years, mostly on ones that did not belong to me. I just lost faith in it. For my own systems it's actually faster to jump right in to restoring an image and get on about my business.

Yes, it used to be terribly unreliable. I've found though that on the few times I've used it in Windows 11 (and the latest builds of W10) that it has been completely reliable.

There are rare occasions where a system restore point can be more appropriate than restoring a system image. Not many, I admit. And it can often take longer than restoring an image :wink:

cereberus · Sep 10, 2024

Bree said:
There are rare occasions where a system restore point can be more appropriate than restoring a system image. Not many, I admit. And it can often take longer than restoring an image

So rare it could be called Restore Tartare

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I have not tested recently but system restore always took much longer than the 1 minute Macrium Reflect's Rapid Delta Restore takes.

Ok that is a paid version but Hasleo Backup now has that version for free (at the moment?).

cool59 · Sep 10, 2024

Currently, thanks to the forum I started making regular backups and it is in fact the most consistent and reliable solution.
But system restore has saved me a few times before.
The difficulties and errors I sometimes had with system restoration were when I used Malwarebytes Premium (now I use the free version).
Through trial and error I learned that I had to disable it before triggering a restore and turn it back on after that.
So everything went well

!

TM21 · Sep 10, 2024

There is virtually NO similarity between a system restore and a C: drive backup, other than either one can save your butt in an emergency. And not the same emergency.
I think of system restore as a Quick Fix, in case I've boogered up my desktop, which I used to do quite often in years past.

And then a Ghost Backup has saved my tired old butt when a HD took a dump!!! Two entirely different situations with entirely different fixes.

And to reply to the Topic of this thread, YES, I have a little script installed in my STARTUP folder, that creates a new Restore point, every time I boot up my PC, even if I boot it up 20 times a day. Unlike Windows ME, the Restore Points in Windows 11, will only fill up space till they reach the point I have set, and then they go POOF!
So if you're going to set up your PC for a daily Restore Point, then also set the Poof Point, and never look back.

Back when I was a working stiff, and running PC service calls every day, I would usually try to brainstorm a problem on my way to the Clients home/office. Often times I knew that all I had to do to fix their problem was to run a System Restore. Then I would get there and find that some odlid had turned System Restore OFF. Then that could mean a lengthy shop job, and more expense for my client.

As far as Backups are concerned, the first Backup Program I ever ran, was back in 1997, when the owner of the little shop I was working in at the time , downloaded a Free Sample of "Ghost". (directly from the authors, in New Zealand)
We used it in the shop to clone old and small HD's to new and bigger HD's. Things were happening fast in those days, and everyone needed more HD space. Hard Drives were selling faster than hot cakes at a Lion's Club Breakfast.
I was convinced that Ghost was not written on this planet, , , it was so far ahead of its time, and it worked SO VERY well. I had never seen anything like it. * There were four of us Tech's working in that shop, and we all used Ghost, and it never failed us.

* I still use the last DOS version of Ghost today. That's "Ghost 11.5". It makes doing my weekly backup of my C: drive more of a pleasure than a challenge. Ghost was basically abandoned by Symantec Corp., that bought it in 1998, but is still out there for anyone desiring to use it.
'Broadcom' even wrapped it up in a nice, bootable Win-10 Shell, and put it up on a Software download site. I have that version, as well as the original DOS version.

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