Solved Trying to "Upgrade" From Windows 10 Without TPM - Impossible?

I've purchased and installed a TPM module for my motherboard, to which is recognized as TPM 2.0 by Windows 10. The basics of my computer:

• CPU; Intel 5960x
• Motherboard: Rampage V Extreme

Neither of which are TPM 2.0 compatible.

I've tried numerous things and nothing seems to work. The only difference in the methods that I'm trying is that I'm NOT performing a clean installation from Windows 10. Instead of clicking the Custom option, I'm trying to use the Upgrade option. I really don't know how to backup and restore all of my applications, but I would be looking to do that, if at all possible. Is clicking on the Upgrade option vs the Custom to do a clean installation my whole problem as to why I can't seem to install Windows 11?

What would someone suggest I do in terms of backing up and restoring just my applications? Is this even possible to do?

That's my spare machine!!! if only you had asked last week while it was sat on my test bench before I turned it into a cctv server I could have really helped.

Have you looked at this thread over at Asus? - Rampage V Extreme - Not TPM 2.0 Compatible? (Windows 11)

z3r010 said:

That's my spare machine!!! if only you had asked last week while it was sat on my test bench before I turned it into a cctv server I could have really helped.

Have you looked at this thread over at Asus? - Rampage V Extreme - Not TPM 2.0 Compatible? (Windows 11)

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Well darn, I was dragging my feet on installing that TPM chip on my motherboard, finally did it. Yep, I know what thread you're talking about, I'd tried everything there. Either whatever methods were being used are now patched up or it's simply the fact that I'm trying to "Upgrade" rather than do a Custom (clean install).

My computer STILL runs good, otherwise, my only problem is MSFS2020 (and apparently Windows 11) but that's about it. I typically run my computers into the ground before I throw down money to upgrade and when I do, I get about the best stuff available so I don't have to upgrade in two years.

Anyways, I did do a full backup of of my PC using Rufus. If need be, I guess I "could" reinstall everything, should an attempt to clean install Windows 11 not work at all. I was trying to avoid having to re-install all of my apps, particularly MSFS2020, considering it takes (seemingly) half a day to download.

CartmansPiehole said:

it's simply the fact that I'm trying to "Upgrade" rather than do a Custom (clean install).

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See my post #254 here for how to upgrade an unsupported machine. Works whether you are upgrading from 10 to 11, or an in-place upgrade on 11.

I Liked @Try3 's method. I haven't tried it, but it sounds doable.

This is the one i have used on 6 machines & about 15 friends installed W 11 on theirs ! It also gets up-dates ! Simple & easy !
Chuck

CartmansPiehole said:

Instead of clicking the Custom option, I'm trying to use the Upgrade option.

Anyways, I did do a full backup of of my PC using Rufus.

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First it sounds like you are booting from a Windows 11 USB flash drive. You can't do an upgrade by booting from a Windows 11 USB flash drive. Insert the flash drive while your Windows 10 is running, open it in explorer and double click on setup.exe to run it.

Second, I had no idea the Rufus would do backups of PCs. I thought that all Rufus did was create USB flash drives from ISO files.

In this video, i will upgrade Windows 10 to Windows 11 on unsupported computer hardware. Although Windows 11 has a higher system requirement, you may still be able to perform an upgrade on an unsupported computer. The Windows setup has an “appraiser” service that checks to see if your computer meets the minimum hardware requirements for that version. It’s possible to replace the appraiserres.dll file in the Windows 11 setup with one from an older build of Windows 10. In order to replace the Windows 11 DLL with one from Windows 10, you’ll actually need the setup files for Windows 10.

Hi all,

I managed to get it installed. I was working on this all night with no sleep. I forgot exactly which ISO I mounted to my drive. At the end of the day, I ended up running the script found here (or more specifically, here). Once I did this, I did an in-place upgrade off of my USB and it worked just fine, granted I had to remove a few apps/features, first. I had gone ahead and removed VMWare, HyperV, HyperVisor and KOPlayer. All of those gave me compatibility issues when installing. I wasn't using KOPlayer anyways, the rest of them, the settings just need to be re-imported once re-installed, which isn't too much of a hassle.

My only concern now is if my Windows 11 installation will choke somewhere along the way due to the script I had to run to get Windows 11 installed. Anyone got any insight to that?

If you are prepared to use a Virtual machine you can easily install W11 on non supported hardware -- secure boot on the VM's virtual hard disk (it can be GPT enabled even on an MBR and BIOS only machine), EFI and TPM emulation are all available and you can choose a "Virtual Cpu" that will work.

Then with a little bit of work you can "Convert" that VM back to a physical machine. You will have to have EFI boot supported on the physical machine though -- even if you install the Windows system to a VHDX file as the boot loader on the physical disk needs to be EFI.

To convert to a physical system you will need to ensure that the VM when being set up has had the OS installed on a "SATA" device -- if you use a "Virtio" or other "Virtual disk" driver then the process will fail.

Simply "clone" the VM to the physical disk / use Macrium to image / restore the VM to a physical disk. Then boot up Windows iso image and get into command mode and re-install the boot loader (command mode use bcdboot.exe) . Ensure an Internet connection is available and update drivers as there will be quite a few. Simply go down the devices with unknown device or question mark against them and update.

A quick way of getting most drivers updated is to use an image from a W10 system, and on the W11 system against the devices select update from this computer, check the include sub folders box and browse to system32/Driverstore.

I created a physical Multi-boot system this way -- several versions of W11 - ENG and ISL versions and the W11 preview insider, a current W10 system, and a WinPe system. The whole thing being 100% bootable from an external SSD drive. Original systems were VM's. Now runs happily from external drive as a "Windows2Go" entity which is great for testing physical hardware etc without disturbing the installed OS on the computer's main Internal disk. Also all activated OK with digital license from the original VM's !!



Job done.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

If you are prepared to use a Virtual machine you can easily install W11 on non supported hardware -- secure boot on the VM's virtual hard disk (it can be GPT enabled even on an MBR and BIOS only machine), EFI and TPM emulation are all available and you can choose a "Virtual Cpu" that will work.

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jimbo...just curious.

Is it possible to clone my own machine and install it to a VM or even Hyper V? I may at some point want to fool around and set up my own network. I'd be nice to have One MS Server 2022 VM and a few Windows 11 VMs.

CartmansPiehole said:

jimbo...just curious.

Is it possible to clone my own machine and install it to a VM or even Hyper V? I may at some point want to fool around and set up my own network. I'd be nice to have One MS Server 2022 VM and a few Windows 11 VMs.

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Hi there
I've installed Server 2022 as a VM (you can get a 180 day free trial from Ms site-- great for learning about Windows servers -- install the GUI version though -- and it's fun "converting it to a desktop / workstation OS" -- really performs like greased lightning compared to standard Windows. I've some intructions on how to do that too !!! that you can post later.

Converting a physical machine to a VM is usually the easy way round -- backup current OS to say a Macrium image. Create a VM with sufficient HDD space to restore the image on. Ensure the Disk VM is SATA otherwise restore won't see any HDD's. Create a Macrium ISO stand alone recovery system. Restore the Windows image to the VM disk. Run the Fix boot problems or from the command line in the macrium restore program re-install the boot loader on the "restored image" disk, change the VM config to boot from that disk and boot. might be a few drivers update for the VM but it should work decently.

I've even managed to have a "Multi boot" VM system -- i.e a single VM definition with a choice of OS'es to boot.



All done in using VHDX files -- these work both on VM's and Physical machines -- no need to install HYPER-V to use VHDX files.

Note if "Cloning a physical Windows" to a VM ensure all "Non windows data" is moved off the Windows partition / HDD. You should be able to manage easily with a 60 GB Windows partition if you just have Windows apps e.g Office etc and other 3rd party apps e.g Media players etc. Move all Media files etc away from the Windows partition.

Cheers
jimbo

Are you saying you do not know how to use Macrium Reflect to make images ?