What fraction of users have migrated to Windows 11 on their main system?

OldMainframeGuy · Feb 6, 2022

Wynona said:
I'm not opposed to using vendor/3rd party software in the least. For me, Microsoft has pretty much crippled Windows 11 for customization. There are also apps and programs I use for things Microsoft doesn't include. As a f'r instance, in the case of Paint, which is OK for resizing and small jobs, etc., but it's not a full fledged graphics program. Nor did Microsoft intend it to be. I use a third party graphics program for the big jobs and Paint for small jobs. :)

Some folks cannot afford Microsoft Office/365. Instead they use one of the comparable office programs such as Libre Office. I need to learn more about that one because some of my senior citizen students want to use it instead of Office because they are on fixed income.

There are many other programs Microsoft doesn't include at all. One of which is Roots Magic 8 that comes to the top of my head because I use it for finding my ancestors.

Bottom line is that if third party software works better than what Microsoft includes, or if Microsoft didn't include it, I don't see a problem with making Windows more usable with additional software.

We don't complain about using apps and programs created by other vendors if they aren't in Windows. Why then is it so terrible to use an app, utility, or program to improve the way Windows works?

Wynona: I'm not opposed to using 3rd party software; I use lots of it. Maybe I'm just neurotic but what Microsoft did to the taskbar in Windows 11 rubs me the wrong way. And I could spend a whopping $4.99USD to get back some (all? more?) of that functionality, so it's obviously not the money. Even though I'm still a Windows 10 user I view this forum daily looking for Windows 11 news, issues, problems and solutions. From what I'm seeing, for now, if I upgrade to Windows 11, I'll have Windows 10 with a few less features. That's just me; obviously most people don't see it that way. I'm sure Windows 11 will evolve into more than it is today, and I'm sure I'll upgrade some day (I'll have to eventually), but for now, I'll just sit and watch. I only have one PC; I use it daily and Windows 10 just runs nicely. In my younger days I would have enjoyed wrestling a new operating system into submission; at this stage, I just want something that runs.

Rob

jerrypc1 · Feb 6, 2022

Dch48 said:
I have no issues with 11. The things people say are missing I never used anyway. A lot of the new features I will never use either. My machine definitely does run faster on 11 than it did on 10. Updates go faster as well. I've gotten used to the Start menu and things being centered. I have done no tweaks with software or registry hacks. I just give it a .

Same Here Dch48:

Wynona · Feb 6, 2022

OldMainframeGuy said:
Wynona: I'm not opposed to using 3rd party software; I use lots of it. Maybe I'm just neurotic but what Microsoft did to the taskbar in Windows 11 rubs me the wrong way. And I could spend a whopping $4.99USD to get back some (all? more?) of that functionality, so it's obviously not the money. Even though I'm still a Windows 10 user I view this forum daily looking for Windows 11 news, issues, problems and solutions. From what I'm seeing, for now, if I upgrade to Windows 11, I'll have Windows 10 with a few less features. That's just me; obviously most people don't see it that way. I'm sure Windows 11 will evolve into more than it is today, and I'm sure I'll upgrade some day (I'll have to eventually), but for now, I'll just sit and watch. I only have one PC; I use it daily and Windows 10 just runs nicely. In my younger days I would have enjoyed wrestling a new operating system into submission; at this stage, I just want something that runs.

Rob

Sorry, Rob. I wasn't pointing at you per se . . . I just found a spot to rant and so I did.

I agree about the taskbar! I'm so angry about it I could just spit nails. And like you, I agree that Windows 11 is Windows 10 with some very important features removed. I will continue to use Windows 10 for my important work. I will also continue testing to see if Microsoft is really as stupid as Windows 11 makes them look.

And yeah, I will eventually have to move all the way to Windows 11, but if it's as lackluster then as it is today, I just may be forced to learn to use Linux. Apple/Mac is just too rich for my mediocre retirement income.

unifex · Feb 8, 2022

cereberus said:
In the end, it comes down to choice but the key fact that sort of gets overlooked is that Windows 10 is no longer being developed, but Windows 11 is, so at some point, we will get useful new features - pity the mindset is all on blinking emojis and other cosmetic clap trap but one day we might get the fabled tabs in explorer.

For me that's precisely the reason not to change the OS. I want my computer to work. Testing and tweaking are fun, but so is watching a movie. On the other hand, if you do want to watch a movie, you want your TV to work - as in to show that movie - and not to update or advertise new features. Same with the PC. Most of the time I'm working on it and at that time I don't need any new features, updates, upgrades, whatever. I just need it to work. So from that perspective, I need the OS that is stable and functioning, not the one under active development. If Windows 7 drivers were available for my new hardware, I would definitely use Windows 7. However, they are not, so I have to stick with Windows 10 despite the fact that I really don't like the direction they are going to. So same with 11 - I'll get there when they stop making drives for 10.

Bree · Feb 8, 2022

unifex said:
For me that's precisely the reason not to change the OS. I want my computer to work. Testing and tweaking are fun, but so is watching a movie....

For the three months before the release of W11 I had been using a test migration of my old main machine to my System One, upgraded to the Insider builds. I used it as my main machine for all my normal activities, including watching movies.

Everything just worked, so when W11 was release I was confident to repeat the migration for real and officially make it my main machine.

cereberus · Feb 8, 2022

The-Hive said:
You would be surprised, especially big charity organisations, obviously I cannot name them but we were getting literally 3 stacked pallets of just base units every 6 to 8 weeks

I can accept charity organisations, for obvious reasons, but I doubt many truly major commercial companies are still on W7 now. If so, they are incredibly shortsighted.

dwall · Feb 8, 2022

We now have Windows 11 on all our systems that support it (surface book 2, surface laptop 4, HP laptop, and 2 out of 4 towers). See How many of Windows’ 1.4 billion users are on Windows 11?

cereberus · Feb 8, 2022

unifex said:
For me that's precisely the reason not to change the OS. I want my computer to work. Testing and tweaking are fun, but so is watching a movie. On the other hand, if you do want to watch a movie, you want your TV to work - as in to show that movie - and not to update or advertise new features. Same with the PC. Most of the time I'm working on it and at that time I don't need any new features, updates, upgrades, whatever. I just need it to work. So from that perspective, I need the OS that is stable and functioning, not the one under active development. If Windows 7 drivers were available for my new hardware, I would definitely use Windows 7. However, they are not, so I have to stick with Windows 10 despite the fact that I really don't like the direction they are going to. So same with 11 - I'll get there when they stop making drives for 10.

Totally disagree. As new OS's come along, developers take advantage of that and develop new tools. If that was not the case we would still be on XP or even Windows 95/8.

Windows 7 is so inferior technically in so many ways to even |Windows 8/10, and it was getting harder for program developers to work with it - it is not just drivers, it is the various APIs etc. that also develop.

However, Windows 10 will be around for several years but in the end, it will still die.

ThrashZone · Feb 8, 2022

Wynona said:
Sorry, Rob. I wasn't pointing at you per se . . . I just found a spot to rant and so I did.

I agree about the taskbar! I'm so angry about it I could just spit nails. And like you, I agree that Windows 11 is Windows 10 with some very important features removed. I will continue to use Windows 10 for my important work. I will also continue testing to see if Microsoft is really as stupid as Windows 11 makes them look.

And yeah, I will eventually have to move all the way to Windows 11, but if it's as lackluster then as it is today, I just may be forced to learn to use Linux. Apple/Mac is just too rich for my mediocre retirement income.

Hi,
Linux isn't going to fix anything missing in windows lol

jerrypc1 · Feb 8, 2022

dwall said:
We now have Windows 11 on all our systems that support it (surface book 2, surface laptop 4, HP laptop, and 2 out of 4 towers). See How many of Windows’ 1.4 billion users are on Windows 11?

Welcome to windows Eleven dwall::)

glasskuter · Feb 9, 2022

None of my PCs were compatible but I could have forced 11 to run on them. Instead I bought the first new system I have ever owned at the ripe old age of 73 just to run 11. Only reason I did is I work on systems for all the little old ladies and gents around here and a few of them have recent computers. I figured I needed to learn 11 to stay current because they have to be hand-held a lot of the time. By far, I like 10 better but, with a few tweaks learned on this forum, 11 is gaining ground. It's all what one gets accustomed to using. The features that were taken away appeal more to power users than little old ladies and gents who do everything from their desktop.

unifex · Feb 9, 2022

cereberus said:
Totally disagree. As new OS's come along, developers take advantage of that and develop new tools. If that was not the case we would still be on XP or even Windows 95/8.

Windows 7 is so inferior technically in so many ways to even |Windows 8/10, and it was getting harder for program developers to work with it - it is not just drivers, it is the various APIs etc. that also develop.

However, Windows 10 will be around for several years but in the end, it will still die.

Well, let's see. In my work here's what I use the most: I use Office to create presentations, I use Emacs to type texts, I use Mathematica to make simple calculations and I run my own C routines for stuff that is more involved. Other programs I use regularly are Adobe Acrobat, Araxis Merge and so on. All of those worked on XP, worked on 7, and now work on 10. In exactly the same way. If there is any "technical superiority" to 10, there is no way to see it while running any of these programs. And believe me, I don't care about anything else. Will they work on 11? Sure. But will they work "way better"? I strongly doubt it. At least, they are not better on 10 as compared to 7 (I skipped 8 completely). Hence, why waste time migrating?

Finally, nowadays you have to add Zoom and Teams. I did not use them before the pandemic, so I can't tell you whether they would work well on XP, but they sure work on 7. So again, what is the advantage of the latest OS? None, as far as I'm concerned.

jvickers · Feb 9, 2022

I have a desktop on Windows 11 (my main system), a desktop on W10 (not even hooked up at the moment), a Macbook Pro that dual boots into W10 (won't upgrade to W11 b/c of age), and a really old Acer on W10 (won't upgrade).

I'm just wondering the reason for the question. Just curious?

Haydon · Feb 9, 2022

jvickers said:
I'm just wondering the reason for the question. Just curious?

In the original announcement, MS indicated that by June this year, all eligible W10 will have been upgraded to W11. That caused a scare that MS would repeat what it did in the upgrades to W10 at the time, but fortunately MS provided options not to upgrade this time around which unfortunately slowed things down. I looked again at the figures, either MS speeds things up or it will be later than June.

Haydon · Feb 9, 2022

unifex said:
Well, let's see. In my work here's what I use the most: I use Office to create presentations, I use Emacs to type texts, I use Mathematica to make simple calculations and I run my own C routines for stuff that is more involved. Other programs I use regularly are Adobe Acrobat, Araxis Merge and so on. All of those worked on XP, worked on 7, and now work on 10. In exactly the same way. If there is any "technical superiority" to 10, there is no way to see it while running any of these programs. And believe me, I don't care about anything else. Will they work on 11? Sure. But will they work "way better"? I strongly doubt it. At least, they are not better on 10 as compared to 7 (I skipped 8 completely). Hence, why waste time migrating?

Finally, nowadays you have to add Zoom and Teams. I did not use them before the pandemic, so I can't tell you whether they would work well on XP, but they sure work on 7. So again, what is the advantage of the latest OS? None, as far as I'm concerned.

I have not upgraded my main work computer to W11 yet. My old apps, at least those from the W7 era and newer, are likely to work in the same way, from what I have seen in the forums.

I do have a W11 laptop to monitor the young OS hands on, and it is still a mixed bag at the moment. I am impressed with the improved security which is 'invisible' but a pretty strong preventor of trouble in the Internet jungle. I am not so impressed with little annoyances still present in the young OS. While I am typing this post, the bottom of the Edge window extends to below the top of the taskbar, for example. W11 is looking better and better, though

Bree · Feb 9, 2022

glasskuter said:
None of my PCs were compatible but I could have forced 11 to run on them. Instead I bought the first new system I have ever owned at the ripe old age of 73 just to run 11.

Same here, except I bought two used machines at less than a year old. I'm only a few years behind you, too

Only reason I did is I work on systems for all the little old ladies and gents around here...

Me too, except the support I provide is just here and on Ten Forums.

By far, I like 10 better....

I'm happy with either....

greeman · Feb 9, 2022

I've updated both mine and my wife's desktops and one of my laptops that was compatible. No problems other than updating some BIOS's and some chipset drivers.

cereberus · Feb 9, 2022

When Windows 10 first came out, there was a slow start to people switching, but after a year or so it started to accelerate with most users switching except a large hardcore Windows 7 userbase. However most of those switched over once W7 became EOL. In particular, the corporate market ultimately shifted at this point.

Had Windows 11 not had such a hardware restriction, one could have expected a similar trend.

I see most people who have suitable hardware will switch but not that fast.

I am struggling to see how W11 can ever become the dominant OS for many years as there is a huge number of pcs out there not W11 compatible.

I think MS have to come up with some real game changer - not just cosmetic flim flam to convince people to switch.

Everybody keeps saying corporations (users) pushed for W11 but I think that is just nonsensical speculation. Corporations usually want to preserve staus quo rather than change.

I think it is more likely that the PC vendors chose not to kick back against W11 constraints as they see this as generating more sales.

I predict 60% of W10 users will still be on W10 even as W10 approaches EOL.

FJRMarty · Feb 9, 2022

W10 was a good OS. I had an 11 year old dual-core W7 machine that continued to update to the latest W10, until the GPU went south this past Oct. My 1st replacement machine started out W10 but when I turned it on the first time I let it upgrade to W11. When it tried to fry its MB for the 3rd time I returned it and that replacement was a W11 machine, so my migration to W11 was basically a not-my-choice one. Since I retired my needs have been greatly reduced, so most of the OS can run default values. I do enjoy reading about the 'adjustments' you folks make, at least the ones I understand!

ThrashZone · Feb 9, 2022

glasskuter said:
None of my PCs were compatible but I could have forced 11 to run on them. Instead I bought the first new system I have ever owned at the ripe old age of 73 just to run 11. Only reason I did is I work on systems for all the little old ladies and gents around here and a few of them have recent computers. I figured I needed to learn 11 to stay current because they have to be hand-held a lot of the time. By far, I like 10 better but, with a few tweaks learned on this forum, 11 is gaining ground. It's all what one gets accustomed to using. The features that were taken away appeal more to power users than little old ladies and gents who do everything from their desktop.

Hi,
I forced all of them even two that could be complaint with 11

UEFI only boot/ tpm/ gpt all three are completely unnecessary for my usage.

Secure boot is nothing on a asus board but still I disable it.

What fraction of users have migrated to Windows 11 on their main system?

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