Solved Which is your preferred password manager

kelper · Jan 14, 2023

Stigg said:
Some polls show "View Results" even if you didn't vote.
Maybe that is something the forum can implement in the future.

Whoever creates the poll can choose whether you have to vote to see the results. I chose to require a vote because some people answer without realising they haven't actually voted.

Stigg · Jan 14, 2023

kelper said:
Whoever creates the poll can choose whether you have to vote to see the results. I chose to require a vote because some people answer without realising they haven't actually voted.

OK. I guess I haven't created a poll in a while. Maybe years.

Edit: Or ever!

Edwin · Jan 14, 2023

I don't get it!
Too complicated and time consuming for me!

I fail to recognize the added security when I can fill forms, copy and paste, etc., freely within or outside of Windows with no more precautionary measures than if I would copy and paste from Notepad to a dialog box!
I tried Bitwarden and Keeper, it's the same for both...,
... and you have to install an extension for auto-fill, what's the point in that!?

TraderGary · Jan 14, 2023

@Edwin, I have 170 different sites in my password manager.
About 40 sites are in my favorites list and I visit them regularly throughout my day.
Each of my passwords is different and a totally random 20 characters that looks like this:

To&W1%0uWQTU$R1^Xpcp

After logging in to my computer for the day, I can load and log in to any site instantly.
The security and ease of use of my password manager is integral to the way I work with my computer.
If I were to work your way, with the insecurity of all my passwords stored in plain text, and the requirement of copy and paste every time I logged in anywhere, I would find that to be, in your words, "Too complicated and time consuming for me!". :eyeroll:

Edwin · Jan 14, 2023

TraderGary said:
The security and ease of use of my password manager is integral to the way I work with my computer.

I'll take your word for it!

sebna · Jan 14, 2023

Some interesting discussions.

I am interested what is your view guys on 1Password.

I used LastPass for years and I am testing 1Password now mostly because, I think their unique Encryption Key part of master password.

But, 1Password is lacking 2FA department badly with no real option for hardware tokens as of today.

fixer · Jan 14, 2023

I'm severely regretting ever starting to follow this thread. Been happily using LastPass for years, never a problem, never heard of anyone having a problem, and now, with my faith severely damaged, faced with the utterly tedious task of setting it all up again in an alternative. Expletive

kelper · Jan 14, 2023

fixer said:
I'm severely regretting ever starting to follow this thread. Been happily using LastPass for years, never a problem, never heard of anyone having a problem, and now, with my faith severely damaged, faced with the utterly tedious task of setting it all up again in an alternative. Expletive

Hackers have been attacking LastPass for years and no one has lost a password, just a list of emails and the websites they visit. They are encrypted and it is impossible to reverse this encryption IF you use a master password that is not 12345, password or equally moronic.

I'm now using Bitwarden but might go back to LastPass as it is simply better and able to fill more passwords than Bitwarden.

For your master password use a phrase with all the spaces replaced by a letter, symbol or number.

If there are no spaces between the words a dictionary attack on the hash will take billions of years, even with a Cray supercomputer.

fixer · Jan 14, 2023

My wife keeps all this stuff in a notebook using Pitman shorthand, nothing on her phone or computer - beat that for security!!

kelper · Jan 14, 2023

Is she the only person who can read Pitman? No. And how does a password get written in Pitman format???

fixer · Jan 14, 2023

kelper said:
Is she the only person who can read Pitman? No. And how does a password get written in Pitman format???

I'm not disposed to debate it with her - enough problems with my own

alikhan · Jan 14, 2023

Lastpass .... using it for last 12 years.

Dru2 · Jan 14, 2023

TraderGary said:
After logging in to my computer for the day, I can load and log in to any site instantly.
The security and ease of use of my password manager is integral to the way I work with my computer.
If I were to work your way, with the insecurity of all my passwords stored in plain text, and the requirement of copy and paste every time I logged in anywhere, I would find that to be, in your words, "Too complicated and time consuming for me!".

What's wrong with Edge's built in password manager?

Anyway, I generate my own passwords and once used Edge remembers them for each site visited. No need to copy and paste here

sebna · Jan 14, 2023

kelper said:
Hackers have been attacking LastPass for years and no one has lost a password, just a list of emails and the websites they visit. They are encrypted and it is impossible to reverse this encryption IF you use a master password that is not 12345, password or equally moronic.

I'm now using Bitwarden but might go back to LastPass as it is simply better and able to fill more passwords than Bitwarden.

For your master password use a phrase with all the spaces replaced by a letter, symbol or number.

If there are no spaces between the words a dictionary attack on the hash will take billions of years, even with a Cray supercomputer.

Are you aware of scale of LastPass incompetency in handling your vault and privacy? There is no going back from that. They are dead in the water for anybody who understands what they are supposed to be doing.

To make things even worse they lost their source code... not sure which is worse but both lead to incompetence beyond what I am willing to work with. I have to deal with enough of those kind of careless behaviors in my Pro life. I am not going to pay someone to be that incompetent with my data when there are alternatives.

Check 1Password. From my initial testing it might be a good replacement for LastPass on functional level even tough it is less advanced in user-friendliness functions but still achieves same level of day-to-day comfort of using it while being more secure where it matters.

sebna · Jan 14, 2023

alikhan said:
Lastpass .... using it for last 12 years.

I would check your hash iterations settings - you are probably set to laughable 5k, crackable by calculator those days (hello LastPass incopetence - current good practice is 300k and current LP accounts start with 100k, but old ones are still on 5k

, for no reason). Of course I don't have to mention that your master password must be of good quality?

oldschool · Jan 14, 2023

Dru2 I'm with you on this one.
Tavis Ormandy on Password Managers.
LastPass breach: The significance of these password iterations

TVeblen · Jan 14, 2023

Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet. Spreadsheet saved to USB thumb drive and a copy on external backups drive. Prints out to 7 pages. Kept in a folder in my file cabinet.

Do password managers keep track of all the other login information? Like secret questions (with all wrong answers), my fake alias names and fake birthdays, my many Usernames, and all the such?

Dru2 · Jan 14, 2023

sebna said:
Check 1Password. From my initial testing it might be a good replacement for LastPass on functional level even tough it is less advanced in user-friendliness functions but still achieves same level of day-to-day comfort of using it while being more secure where it matters.

Everything sucks except for what we say is best - "That sucks. I use this because I say it's the best"

TVeblen said:
Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet. Spreadsheet saved to USB thumb drive and a copy on external backups drive. Prints out to 7 pages. Kept in a folder in my file cabinet.

Seriously???

Edwin · Jan 14, 2023

I've gotta say, from someone who has never used a Password Manager, I've still gained quite a bit of insight from this thread, both good and bad!
However, for my elementary needs, I've come to the conclusion that a Password Manager is not necessary.

Dru2 · Jan 14, 2023

Edwin said:
However, for my elementary needs, I've come to the conclusion that a Password Manager is not necessary.

I don't see the need for one either, especially since Edge natively saves passwords (if you allow it).

But that's us

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