Why do I have to click twice to select something in a MS program that's not in focus?


Yes, Linux has that option. But I don't want that. Where my mouse is might not be where I want to type. Actually I'll give it a go and see what happens. Argh! 500ms is way too long, adjusting in regedit....
 

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Anyone else having trouble following this thread .. I really haven't a clue what's going on, absolutely no problem(s) here with MS programs.

If I've got multiple MS products open (e.g. along the Taskbar) clicking once immediately brings that program (back) into focus, and I can start typing straight away from the last location the cursor was placed/left ?
 

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I'm talking about clicking within the application, not on the taskbar. Have two windows open and visible. Be working in one, then click somewhere in the other.
 

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Ahh, now I see what you're talking about. I've never really paid much attention to it before. When you look around on the web, it seems people have been complaining about it in Office for a long time. I found some threads dated 2005. It's just another one of the things where MS is not consistent in their design, and where their right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
 

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idgat said:
I really haven't a clue what's going on
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Open Word in half screen, put your browser in the other half, copy these words I've posted, try pasting them into Word via one right click.
 
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Hmmm..., I can paste into an Outlook Compose window immediately, though! 🤷‍♂️
 

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sunnyrio said:
Click.... and.... why isn't it doing anything? Oh! MS made it. Click again, there we are, wasted my time again.
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Edwin said:
Dayum! You're right!
The Beam Cursor will appear on first click, but, I must click again to paste! 🤷‍♂️
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I have both Excel (2010) and LibreOffice Calc. I can confirm this odd behaviour in MS Office.

I have them both open in two windows side by side with just an empty worksheet in each, then I click on the Taskbar so that neither has focus.

Now I just left-click on a cell in Calc, it is selected immediately. Then I click on a cell in Excel. This just transfers focus to Excel, but does not select the cell I clicked on, the selected cell remains whichever one was previously selected. I have to click again to select the one I tried to click on.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Is that a wrap folks, or do we gotta hash this out for another 2.5 hours with no solution in sight? :p
 

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I vote for another entertaining 2.5 hours! :what:
 

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What I want to know is why Microsoft never listens to the millions of people complaining, and using 3rd party utilities like startallback to fix their broken interface. The Windows 11 start menu when I installed it had ONE app visible. Just ONE!
 

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Edwin said:
Open Word in half screen, put your browser in the other half, copy these words I've posted, try pasting them into Word via one right click.
Click to expand...

After one right click > Paste, the only "extra" click is to choose the format of the Paste Option > Source Formatting, Text only, etc. I'd say that offer is an advantage.

Still can't see a problem ?
 

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idgat said:
Still can't see a problem ?
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The problem only occurs if the program in question (typically an MS Office app like Excel) does not have focus - in other words you have clicked on another Window before trying to click on it and the other program is the current active window.

Re-read my post #27 for a demonstration of the 'one click or two' issue.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
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    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
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    8GB
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    1366x768
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
idgat said:
After one right click > Paste, the only "extra" click is to choose the format of the Paste Option > Source Formatting, Text only, etc. I'd say that offer is an advantage.

Still can't see a problem ?
Click to expand...
Bad example, not sure why I gave you that one, that appears to work ok. Now try this. Have program X in focus with Word or Wordpad in the background. Click a menu in Word or Wordpad. Nothing happens! You have to click a second time.
 

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sunnyrio said:
Bad example, not sure why I gave you that one, that appears to work ok. Now try this. Have program X in focus with Word or Wordpad in the background. Click a menu in Word or Wordpad. Nothing happens! You have to click a second time.
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Correct for my machines, Win10/Win11/Win7/WinXP/LinuxMint, first click gets the focus and second click performs the function.
 

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    Dell Vostro 3400
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    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
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    12GB
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Berton said:
Correct for my machines, Win10/Win11/Win7/WinXP/LinuxMint, first click gets the focus and second click performs the function.
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Which is very annoying. If you told me my house is on fire, would you expect to have to say "excuse me, can I talk to you a minute" first?
 

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I akin the process to what it takes to drive a car, turn the key to start then put it in gear, if using a stick shift push in the clutch first, start then put in gear then release the clutch to go. Since I was raised on a farm I started learning to drive tractors at 10, classmates in Driver's Ed when I was 16 had problems with a stick shift, I only took the class so I didn't have to take the DMV process to get my license.
 

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    Win11 Pro RTM
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    Dell Vostro 3400
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    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
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    12GB
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    256GB SSD NVMe M.2
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    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
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    Dell Vostro 5890
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    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
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    16GB
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    24" Dell
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    512GB SSD NVMe, 4TB Seagate HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
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    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
But cars are better now, we have automatics without clutches. And computers are much more advanced than cars and your analogy should be to people, not mechanical devices.

Clearly non-MS apps manage to do it properly, why can't MS?
 

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I guess my mindthought doesn't work the same when driving my cars with automatics, after I sit behind the wheel they don't start and go on their own, I have to my part and computers are the same, actually all machines and devices require some type of human interaction. Aliens would likely be a different story.
 

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    Dell Vostro 3400
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    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
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    12GB
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    256GB SSD NVMe M.2
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    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
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    Dell Vostro 5890
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    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
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    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 4TB Seagate HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
Yes, but you don't have to tell a car twice what to do. If you're busy using the accelerator etc, then you decide the radio should be louder, you don't have to select the radio first, then press the volume button. You just press the volume button.
 

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    Windows 11
 

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    ASUS ROG Strix
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    Windows 11
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    ASUS VivoBook
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