Windows 10 to Windows 11 upgrade

spapakons · Aug 25, 2024

cheaterslick said:
Would this unsupported laptop be upgradable?

Device name admin
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5600U CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.59 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable)
Device ID 1BD0994A-1A06-4973-95CE-EC7C8C662513
Product ID 00330-50000-00000-AAOEM
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 22H2
Installed on ‎1/‎24/‎2023
OS build 19045.4780
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19060.1000.0

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And what about updates?

Yes it is a 5th generation Intel CPU, mine is 3rd generation and I run Windows 11 fine. Just follow my instructions to upgrade. For more details see the respective thread.

PS: Only when upgrading from one version to the other you must bypass compatibility check. All other updates install without checking.

spapakons · Aug 25, 2024

GotNoRice said:
I've never had a need to disconnect from the internet when upgrading an install using a bypass. What error are you getting if you keep the internet connected?

I have tried to upgrade at least four unsupported computers from 22H2 to 23H2 with the old method (without disconnecting from the internet). About 70-75% of the first stage there is an error message that the upgrade failed (I don't remember what it was). After I disconnected from the internet and started the upgrade again, all computers completed the first stage and restarted for the second stage. Then they completed the upgrade successfully. The most reasonable conclusion is that a hidden online compatibility check makes the upgrade to fail and staying disconnected this doesn't happen.

jimminy · Aug 25, 2024

spapakons said:
I have tried to upgrade at least four unsupported computers from 22H2 to 23H2 with the old method (without disconnecting from the internet). About 70-75% of the first stage there is an error message that the upgrade failed (I don't remember what it was). After I disconnected from the internet and started the upgrade again, all computers completed the first stage and restarted for the second stage. Then they completed the upgrade successfully. The most reasonable conclusion is that a hidden online compatibility check makes the upgrade to fail and staying disconnected this doesn't happen.

Back in December, I used the rufus method to upgrade from win 10 to win 11 23H2. It worked fine without disconnecting internet. I remember that it did update during the installation. At that time, I was not even aware of the need to disconnect, but since then, I've seen this mentioned a lot.

This is on an old dell 790 with sandy bridge (2nd gen) i5-2400 processor. I wonder how this worked for me (and cheaterslick) but not others? If anyone can figure this out, we might learn something from it.

GotNoRice · Aug 25, 2024

The only times when disconnecting from the internet has been beneficial for me is when upgrading a fresh Windows 10 install. Like if I do a fresh Windows 10 install and then immediately attempt to upgrade it to Windows 11. The problem in that case is Windows 10 in the background trying to install updates due to it being a fresh install. This includes Windows Updates, Driver Updates, and even Edge updates, Widget updates, Malware definition updates, etc. Having this occurring in the background after the Windows 11 upgrade process has already begun can sometimes throw a wrench in the works. So in that case I either fully update the Windows 10 install before upgrading to 11, or I keep the internet disconnected and upgrade to 11 from an ISO on a USB thumb drive (I usually upgrade using ISOs located on my network fileserver if the network is connected).

But on systems that have already been running Windows 10 for some time, and thus already fully updated, I've never had a need to disconnect the internet before upgrading to Windows 11.

spapakons · Aug 26, 2024

Either a hidden compatibility check (most likely) or some update that goes wrong and throws a BSOD makes the upgrade to Windows 11 fail. Why risk it? Just disconnect from the internet to be on the safe side. Needless to say that there is a setting to NOT use Windows Update during installation which of course is IGNORED (makes no difference). The only real way to prevent Windows Updates messing with your drivers is to run Setup from the ISO (not upgrade from Windows Update) and disconnect from the internet, even for Windows 11 compliant systems.

jimminy · Aug 26, 2024

spapakons said:
Either a hidden compatibility check (most likely) or some update that goes wrong and throws a BSOD makes the upgrade to Windows 11 fail. Why risk it? Just disconnect from the internet to be on the safe side. Needless to say that there is a setting to NOT use Windows Update during installation which of course is IGNORED (makes no difference). The only real way to prevent Windows Updates messing with your drivers is to run Setup from the ISO (not upgrade from Windows Update) and disconnect from the internet, even for Windows 11 compliant systems.

So, What is the best way to "disconnect" from the internet? Can I just pull the ethernet cable between my satellite modem and my router? Or would that cause it to hang up, waiting for a connection?

spapakons · Aug 27, 2024

For ethernet just disconnect the cable from the computer. I know it can be difficult in some cases but it is worth it. If you are at home you may also switch off the router, provided you don't get complaints from other members of the family. For wireless connection either switch off Wi-Fi in Windows or turn on flight mode.

fcatarino · Aug 27, 2024

antspants said:
Tenha cuidado de onde você obtém suas “Notícias”. Atualizar em PCs sem suporte é muito básico.

As I wrote, I won't touch my computer until Windows 10 support ends in 2025. After that, we'll see. Microsoft may still make some changes to Windows 11 to allow for an unrestricted upgrade.

spapakons · Aug 27, 2024

If your computer suits your needs, you may keep using it a couple of years after Windows 10 EOL. After that some applications will start demanding Windows 11 and refuse to install or upgrade on Windows 10. If you don't need to upgrade these applications you can keep using your Windows 10 system much longer. Same with all these people still using Windows XP or Windows 7. An updated third-party antivirus should take care of security vulnerabilities.

cheaterslick · Aug 27, 2024

GotNoRice said:
The issue is, systems that installed Windows 11 using a bypass do not receive new yearly feature updates.

So, for example, if you installed the release version of Windows 11 (21H2) using a bypass, you would have never been offered 22H2 or 23H2 via Windows Update, and you would still be stuck on 21H2, which hit EoL on Oct 10, 2023 and is no longer receiving security updates.

What about downloading those new yearly feature updates from the Microsoft Catalog and installing them manually?

PS: - I've been to the Microsoft Catalog many times before. It's sometimes difficult searching for the right update, but I do use it from time to time.

spapakons · Aug 28, 2024

That's exactly the way to upgrade an unsupported computer. Manually download the ISO of the new version and bypass compatibility check to upgrade. See relevant threads for details.

cheaterslick · Aug 28, 2024

spapakons said:
That's exactly the way to upgrade an unsupported computer. Manually download the ISO of the new version and bypass compatibility check to upgrade. See relevant threads for details.

Actually I wasn't asking about the ISO. I was asking about the Microsoft Catalog for individual yearly feature KB updates.

To go from 21H2 to say 22H2, is there also a KB attached to it?

spapakons · Aug 28, 2024

Even if it is, it will probably require internet access to download additional data in order to upgrade. The whole point is to PREVENT internet access to Windows 11 Setup so it won't check compatibility and stop the upgrade and it won't use Windows Update to replace any drivers (in spite we exclusively select not to). That's why since 23H2 we must download the ISO and do the upgrade staying disconnected from the internet. The KB would be useful only to upgrade a Windows 11 compliant PC that you don't mind checking compatibility.

cheaterslick · Aug 28, 2024

spapakons said:
Even if it is, it will probably require internet access to download additional data in order to upgrade.

That's possible, although I've installed individual .exe or cab files without internet access, saving it to my desktop.

The file itself might be quite big to download and save, though. I've seen them go as large as 750mb+ in size. Maybe even bigger.

spapakons said:
The KB would be useful only to upgrade a Windows 11 compliant PC that you don't mind checking compatibility.

Yeah, but does it always check and do that?

I mean you are bypassing Windows Update, altogether.

spapakons · Aug 28, 2024

Of course I bypass Windows Update. It will never offer to upgrade an unsupported computer to the next Windows 11 version, only the rest updates. So I cheat and upgrade using the ISO and bypassing compatibility check. Any other updater is installed normally without further compatibility checks.

cheaterslick · Aug 28, 2024

spapakons said:
Of course I bypass Windows Update. It will never offer to upgrade an unsupported computer to the next Windows 11 version, only the rest updates. So I cheat and upgrade using the ISO and bypassing compatibility check. Any other updater is installed normally without further compatibility checks.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way your doing it. I just was looking for an alternative to using a whole ISO, that's all.

The more (possible) alternatives out there, the better off we'll all be, imo...

I've instinctively downloaded from the Microsoft Catalog in the past, especially with stubborn updates that wouldn't update through Windows Update for whatever reason. It doesn't happen often but it does do that, sometimes.

And it's no trouble at all to unplug an ethernet cable after you've downloaded it, but right before you install it. That is, if that's the case and it can be done that way.

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