Windows 11 MS Paint- versions with and without layer function

Into_Oblivion1 · Dec 10, 2024

Dear all

A new MS Paint came wtih Windows 11.

In a newer version of Windows 11 MS Paint (version 2308) / not the basic version, the layer function was introduced.

An image file created with an early version (before version 2308) of Windows 11 MS Paint, that does not have the layer function - filename A
An image file created with the lastest version of Windows 11 MS Paint, that has the layer function - filename B

When comparing the bits of the two files, for example using fcb / b, are the two files then identical?

I have updated my MS Paint to the version with layer function, so I can't check it out.

Thank you

Bree · Dec 10, 2024

Into_Oblivion1 said:
When comparing the bits of the two files, for example using fcb / b, are the two files then identical?

I have updated my MS Paint to the version with layer function, so I can't check it out.

I have saved the Windows 10 version of Paint and can run both versions at once. I can create a .png image in the old Paint (png supports layers) open it in new Paint then save it with a new name.

The two files are not the same.

The new pain seems to have added a lot of metadata.

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Into_Oblivion1 · Dec 13, 2024

Bree said:
I have saved the Windows 10 version of Paint and can run both versions at once. I can create a .png image in the old Paint (png supports layers) open it in new Paint then save it with a new name.

The two files are not the same.

The new pain seems to have added a lot of metadata.

That was very kind of you, trying it out.
This I already knew.
I have already compared Windows 10 Paint and Windows 11 Paint files myself.

I was interested in comparing files created by Windows 11 Paint (version before layer function) and Windows 11 Paint (version after layer function).

Bree · Dec 13, 2024

Into_Oblivion1 said:
I was interested in comparing files created by Windows 11 Paint (version before layer function) and Windows 11 Paint (version after layer function).

That's a tall order, nobody has Windows 11 or Paint that old. The only way I could test that would be with a clean install of 22H2....

...fortunately I can do that in a VM and get W11 Paint without layers as it came 'out of the box'

Then open and 'save as' in the latest Paint.

Here you go, zipped image files attached. Knock yourself out

Into_Oblivion1 · Jan 23, 2025

Bree said:
That's a tall order, nobody has Windows 11 or Paint that old. The only way I could test that would be with a clean install of 22H2....

...fortunately I can do that in a VM and get W11 Paint without layers as it came 'out of the box'

Then open and 'save as' in the latest Paint.

Here you go, zipped image files attached. Knock yourself out

You are a god among men

Created by W11 Paint before Layers
24 bit depth
2.527 byte

Created by W11 Paint before Layers - opened and resaved with layered Paint
32 bit depth
2.979 bytes

As you can see above, the two files have very different bytes. That is because, when you open Paint and create a PNG file, Paint saves it as bit 24. Wheresas when you open a PNG file in Paint it adds another 8 bit (the alpha channel). This is a given for ALL verions of Paint, also Paint on Windows 10. I have tinkered alot with Paint, that is why I know this.

So unfortunately, this does not tell us, wether the two versions of W11 Paint actually does the same.

I would really much like, that you conduct another experiment:

Run the old Paint 11.2201.22.0 / pre-layer
Save the default motive as:
24-bit bitmap

Run the newest Paint / with layer
Save the default motive as (given the motive is the same as above Paint pre-layer):
24-bit bitmap

You are welcome to send me the files again, or compare them yourselves

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Into_Oblivion1 · Feb 7, 2025

Could anyone else please try to:

Run the old Paint 11.2201.22.0 / pre-layer
Create a default motive
Save the default motive as:
24-bit bitmap

Run the newest Paint / with layer
Create a default motive
Save the default motive as (given the motive is the same as above Paint pre-layer):
24-bit bitmap

You are welcome to send me the files, or compare them yourselves

Thank you

Bree · Feb 7, 2025

Into_Oblivion1 said:
I would really much like, that you conduct another experiment:

Run the old Paint 11.2201.22.0 / pre-layer
Save the default motive as:
24-bit bitmap

Run the newest Paint / with layer
Save the default motive as (given the motive is the same as above Paint pre-layer):
24-bit bitmap

Sorry for a late reply, but I've been out of commission for these last few weeks. I'll get onto that now. Be back soon....

Bree · Feb 7, 2025

Here we are....

Into_Oblivion1 · Feb 8, 2025

Bree said:
Here we are....

1.
Just to make 100 % sure.
You did exactly as I described?

Run the old Paint 11.2201.22.0 / pre-layer
Save the default motive as:
24-bit bitmap

Run the newest Paint / with layer
Save the default motive as (given the motive is the same as above Paint pre-layer):
24-bit bitmap

2.
The motive in the Paint 11.2201.22.0 file
Did you make it from scratch? As in: open Paint create 100 x 100 white and then save it?
Or did you open the Paint 11.2311.30.0 file?
Or did you use the motive from 11.2311.30.0?

3.
The motive in the Paint 11.2311.30.0 file
Did you make it from scratch? As in: open Paint create 100 x 100 white and then save it?
Or did you open the Paint 11.2201.22.0 file?
Or did you use the motive from 11.2201.22.0?

4.
Is Paint version 11.2201.22.0, the earlist Paint version that came with Windows 11?

Thank you

Bree · Feb 8, 2025

Into_Oblivion1 said:
1.
Just to make 100 % sure.
You did exactly as I described?

Run the old Paint 11.2201.22.0 / pre-layer
Save the default motive as:
24-bit bitmap

Run the newest Paint / with layer
Save the default motive as (given the motive is the same as above Paint pre-layer):
24-bit bitmap

2.
The motive in the Paint 11.2201.22.0 file
Did you make it from scratch? As in: open Paint create 100 x 100 white and then save it?
Or did you open the Paint 11.2311.30.0 file?
Or did you use the motive from 11.2311.30.0?

3.
The motive in the Paint 11.2311.30.0 file
Did you make it from scratch? As in: open Paint create 100 x 100 white and then save it?
Or did you open the Paint 11.2201.22.0 file?
Or did you use the motive from 11.2201.22.0?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'motive'. Each .bmp was independently created from scratch in the appropriate version of W11, a clean install of 22H2 or my current install of 24H2. This is what I did:
Open Paint.
File > Image properties: set size to 100x100.
File > Save as > BMP picture.

Into_Oblivion1 said:
4.
Is Paint version 11.2201.22.0, the earlist Paint version that came with Windows 11?

No. 21H2 (build 22000) came with Paint 10.0.2104.17.0, example .bmp, created exactly as above, attached:

Into_Oblivion1 · Feb 13, 2025

Bree said:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'motive'. Each .bmp was independently created from scratch in the appropriate version of W11, a clean install of 22H2 or my current install of 24H2. This is what I did:
Open Paint.
File > Image properties: set size to 100x100.
File > Save as > BMP picture.

By motive i mean the "picture". When opening Paint, it shows a white picture in a default size.

1.
So all the .bmp files:
Paint 11.2311.30.0
Paint 11.2201.22.0
Paint 10.2104.17.0
-
They are all made from scratch, using the proces you desribed?:
Open Paint.
File > Image properties: set size to 100x100.
File > Save as > BMP picture.
-
I just wanted to make sure, that you did not use a previous file when creating a new file.

2.
I have compared all the three .bmp files bit by bit, using cmd fc /b.

All the three .bmp files are identicial.

So therefor we can conclude, that the three Paint versions:
Paint 11.2311.30.0 - latest Paint version - with layers
Paint 11.2201.22.0 - Paint version without layers
Paint 10.2104.17.0 - first Paint version - without layers
-
The three versions of Paint all create a .bmp file the exact same way.
Agree?

Thank you

Bree · Feb 13, 2025

Into_Oblivion1 said:
I just wanted to make sure, that you did not use a previous file when creating a new file.

Yes, each image was created from scratch quite independently in each version of Windows and its version of Paint.

Into_Oblivion1 · Feb 17, 2025

Bree said:
Yes, each image was created from scratch quite independently in each version of Windows and its version of Paint.

2.
I have compared all the three .bmp files bit by bit, using cmd fc /b.

All the three .bmp files are identicial.

So therefor we can conclude, that the three Paint versions:
Paint 11.2311.30.0 - latest Paint version - with layers
Paint 11.2201.22.0 - Paint version without layers
Paint 10.2104.17.0 - first Paint version - without layers
-
The three versions of Paint all create a .bmp file the exact same way.
Agree?

Thank you

Into_Oblivion1 · Mar 13, 2025

Bree said:
Yes, each image was created from scratch quite independently in each version of Windows and its version of Paint.

2.
I have compared all the three .bmp files bit by bit, using cmd fc /b.

All the three .bmp files are identicial.

So therefor we can conclude, that the three Paint versions:
Paint 11.2311.30.0 - latest Paint version - with layers
Paint 11.2201.22.0 - Paint version without layers
Paint 10.2104.17.0 - first Paint version - without layers
-
The three versions of Paint all create a .bmp file the exact same way.
Do you agree?

Thank you

Into_Oblivion1 · Apr 7, 2025

I have compared all the three .bmp files bit by bit, using cmd fc /b.

All the three .bmp files are identicial:
Paint 11.2311.30.0 - latest Paint version - with layers
Paint 11.2201.22.0 - Paint version without layers
Paint 10.2104.17.0 - first Paint version - without layers

So therefor we can conclude, that all the three versions of Paint all create a .bmp file the exact same way.

Can anyone confirm or agree to this?

Thank you

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