System Disable Modern Standby in Windows 10 and Windows 11

Caledon Ken · Jul 30, 2023

glasskuter said:
Maybe @Brink can give you a direct answer to that. IMO I have found his registry edits accomplish the same function as the GPO policies. I have noticed in a few of his tutorials he differentiates the instances where any particular change does not apply to a HOME user and in others he states HOME or PRO can use the regedit. Personally, I manage everything I can using GPO. Of course, HOME users do not have this option and have to resort to the regedit method.

Brink said:
Hello Ken,

Those are some old legacy policies from Vista that can be used to disable S1-S3. They wouldn't apply for modern standby.

As @glasskuter posted above, you can use Local Group Policy Editor or Registry Editor to configure policies. It just comes down to if you have the Home or Pro edition installed and which method you prefer. Otherwise, they both do the same.

So @glasskuter, you used the two policies I mentioned to enable S3? (Which I assume by default disabled S0). Then Shawn goes to say in his post they wouldn't apply to Modern Standby. So I'm confused (still)

and if not these policies which policies did you use, glasskuter, assuming you have done this, to disable S0 and enable S3?

If registry edits are applied, are they reversed on the next Feature update and need to be reapplied?

Thank you.

Brink · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
So @glasskuter, you used the two policies I mentioned to enable S3? (Which I assume by default disabled S0). Then Shawn goes to say in his post they wouldn't apply to Modern Standby. So I'm confused (still)

and if not these policies which policies did you use, glasskuter, assuming you have done this, to disable S0 and enable S3?

If registry edits are applied, are they reversed on the next Feature update and need to be reapplied?

Thank you.

The policies you mentioned will only disable S1-S3 if used. Enable is the default setting, so it will not enable S1-S3 with Modern Standby.

Caledon Ken · Jul 30, 2023

Thanks Shawn. I wonder what policies glasskuter used.

In your post that I quote you said Group policy or registry. Did you mean, as tutorial outlines, Command Prompt or Registry edit.

Did you see my question, do registry edits survive Feature updates?

Brink · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
Thanks Shawn. I wonder what policies glasskuter used.

In your post that I quote you said Group policy or registry. Did you mean, as tutorial outlines, Command Prompt or Registry edit.

Did you see my question, do registry edits survive Feature updates?

I believe she was just referring to Group Policy (GPOs) in general vs Registry Editor.

I was not referring to this Modern Standby tutorial, but about the GPOs you mentioned in your post instead.

Usually policy settings will survive a feature update, but there's never any guarantee.

hdmi · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
Sorry hdmi. If I'm reading your post correctly it is Dell users that have an issue with enabling S3?

No, it's not just Dell. But it clearly seems like most of them are Dell or at the very least it clearly seems like it used to be that most of them were Dell.

Caledon Ken said:
This laptop has a specific BIOS setting that can be enabled to ignore S3 but as shipped it is disabled. I assume that means it will allow S3 to be enabled. This is a Dell XPS 9720, brand new.

Best way to find out if S3 can be made to work on it is to just give it a shot. You can still always undo the registry change if it turns out that it doesn't bring back S3 support. Always remember to reboot after you change it in the registry, and also remember that you have to test S3 to see if it works, as merely typing in powercfg a (there's no slash or hyphen required there BTW... just a space will do equally fine) in a command prompt is not enough to verify that it works. Just you'll be able to check if it says that S3 is supported, but even if it says that, then there's still no guarantee that it will also be supported properly. It is very annoying indeed, even though not everyone agrees, as there also are a lot of laptops out there that don't have any real problems in spite of their still having Modern Standby enabled on them.

glasskuter · Jul 30, 2023

I'm not arguing your point about Dell, just that they are not the only ones. MS was the brainchild behind wanting to make Windows able to "instant on" like their counterpart, Apple. MS is the one who pushed manufacturers of hardware and the OEMs to make changes to accomodate this 'brilliant' idea. From what I've read that push from MS was not a suggetion but a mandate. But it's like APPLES and oranges. With Apple it works as it's all done using proprietary hardware. Windows has to work on a mish-mash of hardware. Because of this it was an absolutely stupid idea and buyers are the ones paying the price for it.

MS won't back down from it, or at least they haven't yet. But I do believe as time goes on, the OEMs (including Dell) more and more will. OEMs will almost be forced to do it if they want to make Windows run like we've come to expect it to and remain relevant in the laptop market. I also believe if MS doesn't abandon some of their brilliant ideas, we will see more and more proprietary hardware systems, not only from Dell who has used certain proprietary components for years, but from other OEMs as well. Where this is going to leave the smaller manufacturers of components, who the heck knows. All it's going to do is cost the consumer.

But, opinions are like certain parts of a person's anatomy. Mine may be outdated and irrelevant. I just know for myself I wouldn't touch a modern standby Windows laptop with a ten foot pole. My Apple Ipad Pro is a horse of a different color. It's a close to a perfect device as I have ever encountered.
My problem is, I play with my ipad, but can't make myself fall out of love with working with Windows.

glasskuter · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
you used the two policies I mentioned to enable S3?

I worded my response to you in a bad way.
For myself, No, I did not use the regedits as I do not own a modern standby device. However, I HAVE used those regedits in certain modern standby laptops and they have worked to disable modern standby. It all depends on the device and the bios loaded into the device. SOME bios will allow modern standby to be disabled. It all depends on the manufacturer and which of their devices they will allow it. Applying the regedits either works or it doesn't.

Brink is correct. My reply was meant to generally address using GPO vs Brink's regedits and I should have clarified that, not specifically those relating to modersn standby. That's why I noted that Brink always gives some indication in his tutorals of what cases his regedits will have an effect and wanted him to clarify it for you.

hdmi · Jul 30, 2023

glasskuter said:
I'm not arguing your point about Dell, just that they are not the only ones. MS was the brainchild behind wanting to make Windows able to "instant on" like their counterpart, Apple. MS is the one who pushed manufacturers of hardware and the OEMs to make changes to accomodate this 'brilliant' idea. From what I've read that push from MS was not a suggetion but a mandate. But it's like APPLES and oranges. With Apple it works as it's all done using proprietary hardware. Windows has to work on a mish-mash of hardware. Because of this it was an absolutely stupid idea and buyers are the ones paying the price for it.

MS won't back down from it, or at least they haven't yet. But I do believe as time goes on, the OEMs (including Dell) more and more will. OEMs will almost be forced to do it if they want to make Windows run like we've come to expect it to and remain relevant in the laptop market. I also believe if MS doesn't abandon some of their brilliant ideas, we will see more and more proprietary hardware systems, not only from Dell who has used certain proprietary components for years, but from other OEMs as well. Where this is going to leave the smaller manufacturers of components, who the heck knows. All it's going to do is cost the consumer.

But, opinions are like certain parts of a person's anatomy. Mine may be outdated and irrelevant. I just know for myself I wouldn't touch a modern standby Windows laptop with a ten foot pole. My Apple Ipad Pro is a horse of a different color. It's a close to a perfect device as I have ever encountered.
My problem is, I play with my ipad, but can't make myself fall out of love with working with Windows.

I already said that they're not the only ones. I like to call it polysatanism. lol AFAIK both Intel and Qualcomm also played an important role as for the history of how the S0ix power states that Modern Standby uses came to existence.

If either I can use Modern Standby on it without troubles or I can amputate Modern Standby without causing any serious complications to the remainder of the laptop's anatomy and without harming its spiritual body, then maybe, I might consider touching it one day. But right now you can't even turn off the screen without putting the laptop asleep if it uses Modern Standby. So yeah, it is mal foutu. But we should steal Apple devices so we can burn them before selling the ashes to those who bought them.

glasskuter · Jul 30, 2023

hdmi said:
But we should steal Apple devices so we can burn them before selling the ashes to those who bought them.

Ouch! If I ever meet you, I'll keep mine close to my chest.

Caledon Ken · Jul 30, 2023

Thank you all.

So Shawn got closer in answering my last question. He said policies usually survive Feature updates, no guarantees.

My question was do registry edits survive? (Unless in this case, is the registry edit a policy edit.)

I do appreciate the time everyone has expended.

I'm going to try the registry edit. My wife isn't home until tomorrow so I have time to restore her device. Last night I took a full image.

Try3 · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
My question was do registry edits survive?

Often.
I disabled S0 Modern standby using the Registry method in Windows 10 Version 1909 and it remained disabled until I deliberately re-enabled it in Version 22H2.

Denis

Caledon Ken · Jul 30, 2023

Thanks Denis for the answer on registry edits.

Reading over your other postings where executables stopped working and hdmi's comments about issues with Dell's has me with cold feet. I could imagine a day where I go to do something, it fails and I think I have a Windows issue, rather than a cranky machine not liking that I disabled S0.

I guess I could ask Dell if this device supports S3 in BIOS.

hdmi · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
do registry edits survive?

On Windows 10 version 1909 and earlier, the option to specify the PlatformAoAcOverride registry flag did not exist yet. You had to use the CsEnabled registry flag instead. On Windows 10 version 2004, neither one of both these two flags were possible to be used. As a result of this, you no longer had an option to disable Modern Standby excepting only if you skipped version 2004. As of Windows 10 version 20H2, the PlatformAoAcOverride registry flag is supported. Windows 11 also supports this flag.

I bought my laptop on 30 December, 2020. It came with Windows 10 version 2004 on it. However, this was after version 20H2 had already come out so, I immediately updated, and, one of the first things I did in 2021 was disable Modern Standby. So far, this registry change has survived all of the updates, but it didn't survive the upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Further, it does not survive an in-place upgrade.

Try3 · Jul 30, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
Reading over your other postings where executables stopped working

That was on an HP Envy 17-cr0001na

Caledon Ken said:
I guess I could ask Dell if this device supports S3 in BIOS.

Yes but they might not be able to answer you or even wish to.
And any answer they do give might be incorrect.
So the proof will have to be in the pudding.
- The Registry edit is easy to reverse
- Even if your problem is as severe as mine was with the HP, you'd be able to boot to your imaging rescue media to restore the image you made.
- You would also have to factor in the chance that you'll be made to spent the next ten years sleeping in the garden shed for messing about with her computer.

Denis

Caledon Ken · Jul 31, 2023

So today, Monday, I called Dell. My machine supports the change from S0 to S3. The tech convinced me to just set sleep to never and use S0. Changed in power options and action to take when lid closes.

This was Denis's idea, set sleep to never, two days ago.

I still think the standard needs some work or the software developers need some new way of thinking about task initiation. I'm sure there is a way if people wanted to resolve this they could.

I'm going to give it a try, that is S0, no sleep.

hdmi · Jul 31, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
if people wanted to resolve this they could

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This tutorial will show you how to disable Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle) to enable S3 support on a Windows 10 and Windows 11 device. In Windows 10 and Windows 11, there are two power models for PCs: S3 and Modern Standby (S0 Low Power Idle). The S3 power model is an older standard and is...

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Caledon Ken · Jul 31, 2023

No I mean leave S0 enable and figure out how to launch tasks like Macrium.

hdmi · Aug 1, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
No I mean leave S0 enable and figure out how to launch tasks like Macrium.

I get that, but with S3 you could still always decide to set up wake timers for this purpose so, Modern Standby is not a requirement for scheduled tasks to run after the PC wakes from sleep on a fixed time schedule. But if Modern Standby works for you, then who am I to stop you from using it. Just be aware that, like I already said, one day it might flurb. With S3 you have a lot fewer variables to play with, which makes S3 generally much easier to troubleshoot. Personally, I, will never use Modern Standby until I can turn the screen off without causing the whole laptop to enter standby. Being able to let my tasks run uninterruptedly with the screen off is compulsory. Being able to assure that the laptop won't inadvertently wake itself up during the night (and start sleepwalking, also in addition to that) is compulsory.

Caledon Ken · Aug 6, 2023

I set wake timers to on with Modern Standby, battery and plugged in, but tasks like Macrium and AV would not initiate at their predetermined times. So I have Modern Standby enabled and laptop set to never sleep. Everything runs as normal.

In older devices, where S3 was enabled, Macrium and AV kicked things off on schedule. Of course wake timers were also on.

Try3 · Aug 6, 2023

Caledon Ken said:
tasks like Macrium and AV would not initiate at their predetermined times

Did the test task I posted for you in your own thread run?
Does the TS task history say that the task started?
Does the Event viewer, Custom view I gave you report that the computer left S0 Modern standby when the task ran?

Denis

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